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VIDEO Committees of Council Jun 24, 2025 at 05:00 PM Processed: Jul 05, 2025 at 09:42 AM

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Duration: 66 minutes

Speakers: 14

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Speaker 1

Meeting.

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Speaker 1

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Roswell mayor and council committee meeting for 06/24/2025

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Speaker 1

here in the city of Roswell.

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Speaker 1

I'll begin by acknowledging the elected body present,

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council member Sarah Beeson,

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council member Christine Hall,

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council member Julie Hills, council member David Johnson,

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council member William Morthland, and council member Alan Sells.

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I'm Sharon Izzo, deputy city administrator and senior vice president for infrastructure, and I am joined by assistant city attorney Joe Cusack

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Speaker 1

and deputy oh, nope. And

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and our city clerk, Nancy Long.

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Speaker 1

The purpose of committee meetings are for the city departments to convey information to the mayor and city council and discuss initiatives listed on the published agenda.

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Speaker 1

By ordinance, the committee consists of the mayor, members of the city council, and the city administrator.

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Speaker 1

As deputy city administrator, I will be the chair of today's committee meeting.

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Speaker 1

This is a public meeting, but not a public hearing.

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Speaker 1

Therefore, while the meeting is open to the public, we will not take pump public comments or questions during committee meetings

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Speaker 1

unless specifically authorized by the mayor and council.

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Speaker 1

Public comments or questions are received at the regular city council meetings held at 7PM in the City Council Chambers on the second and fourth Monday of each month and the fifth Monday of each month in open forum.

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Speaker 1

We do encourage citizens to engage on on on our online platforms. And if you have questions or need information regarding any matter, our staff is available to provide that information to you.

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Speaker 1

In addition, if you have service requests or need to report a concern,

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we highly recommend utilizing the city of Roswell app or service web portal. We encourage you to view the calendar of events at Roswell Three Six Five Dot Com.

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Speaker 1

The first item on the agenda is the approval of the committee meeting minutes from 06/10/2025.

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Speaker 1

I'll entertain a motion.

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Speaker 1

Council member Johnson

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and second by council member Beeson. Any further questions?

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Speaker 1

Seeing none, all in favor?

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Speaker 1

Thank you.

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Speaker 1

We'll move on to the regular agenda. Item number two, consideration of the transmittal of the 2025

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Speaker 1

CWPCIE

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Speaker 1

update

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Speaker 1

presented by Michelle Alexander, our community development director.

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Speaker 1

Miss Alexander.

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Speaker 2

Thank you.

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Speaker 2

Evening.

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Speaker 2

So the this is the annual impact fee. It's the financial report essentially and the backup requirements.

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Speaker 2

So the purpose of the any of

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Speaker 2

the the agenda item is to get your approval to submit the annual report and the backup items

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Speaker 2

to the state.

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Speaker 2

Development fee impact fees are a onetime payment for growth related infrastructure.

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Speaker 2

It's, created from the Georgia Development Act, which governs the program. The Department of Community Affairs, DCA, is, the oversight mechanism and has, enforces the rules, and that's to whom we submit our documents. Part of the regulations are that we submit an annual report

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Speaker 2

and we have to describe how much

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Speaker 2

impact fees. How many how many excuse me the amount of impact fees collected

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Speaker 2

encumbered and used during the preceding year by the category of the use that that the city applied to it. And in addition to the annual financial report,

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Speaker 2

there is a capital improvement report, and that's the list of projects that you've decided you are willing you would like to be able to use those impact fees. You don't you're not required to use impact fees for that list. It's just the eligible list. So every year, DCA says, let's take a look. Have you changed it? Have you updated it? Similarly, there's a community work program. That's another list of projects that are,

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Speaker 2

included on your,

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Speaker 2

twenty forty comprehensive plan, and those are a list of activities. And so similarly, DCA says, give us your financials, but also show us how are you in implementing from your 2040

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comprehensive plan.

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Speaker 2

So

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the CIE,

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I don't need to go into all the details of it. I know that this you've seen it. You we come to you every year, once a year with this report.

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Speaker 2

The CIE, like I said, is the capital improvement projects. They're coming from your master plans and from the comprehensive plan and,

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the staff has updated it according to whatever policy you have most recently approved,

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Speaker 2

just to avoid any confusion.

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Speaker 2

So that list is based on your 2040 comprehensive plan. So for the which was done five years ago. So every year,

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Speaker 2

for five years, we bring back to you this capital improvements list, and it gets modified accordingly.

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Speaker 2

It's gonna be updated more completely

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Speaker 2

with the comprehensive growth plan, the 2045.

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Speaker 2

So the planning period is 2045,

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Speaker 2

and it's a growth plan that we're just starting. We just,

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introduced the public hearing last night to discuss it. So we'll all have primers on

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Speaker 2

impact fees and comprehensive plans short term work programs.

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Speaker 2

You'll see a new CIE and a new

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Speaker 2

community work plan, which is the list of projects associated with your policy.

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Speaker 2

If we'll be bringing it to you on the fourteenth. If you approve it, we'll submit it to DCA

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Speaker 2

and ARC for review.

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Speaker 2

They,

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will review it. They have a time frame,

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to make sure we bring it back to you and approve it for adoption

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by October 31. So that keeps our qualified local government status.

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And then after that, just putting in perspective, we'll be working pretty closely after that, bringing to you sets of, complete,

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policy to consider for your growth plan and these two types of project list associated with it.

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Speaker 2

So I have some of the details if,

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you want to go through it. This is just a summary.

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Speaker 2

I wanted to explain also in order to align our reporting with our new fiscal year, which now

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Speaker 2

coincides with the calendar year,

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Speaker 2

we not only get are submitting the, a twelve month period that would have been the twelve month period following our last report, but we're adding another six months to report through

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Speaker 2

December

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Speaker 2

2024.

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Speaker 2

So next year, we'll be fully aligned. Next year, we'll just have the normal twelve months, and it'll be twenty our fiscal year 2025 that we're reporting. So it's it's a little extra for,

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Speaker 2

the agencies to look at, but the total expenditures,

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Speaker 2

for that time period combined,

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Speaker 2

was a little over a million dollars.

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Speaker 2

What you probably care more about is what the balance is, and that was as of the December was $5,800,000

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Speaker 2

was the balance. And so this fund has been generating since

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Speaker 2

Jackie told me it's nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2

ninety ninety three.

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Speaker 2

I was looking more at data since 2015. And so around since 2015, you've you've generated about $9,000,000.

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Speaker 2

So there's the financials. That's part one because of the time frame,

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Speaker 2

the fiscal year, and then we also have the expenditures for that time frame of the '20

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what what was used to be our fiscal year for '24. And then same thing for part two is the second part, only a six month period going through December of twenty four.

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Speaker 2

So I can go through the different lists. If you had any questions on the CIE,

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we just,

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transportation removed a couple of the projects that were authorized.

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Fire department,

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also removed one of the fire stations, but that was based on,

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the results of the study that they presented to you last fall and talked about the relocation.

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Speaker 2

And then they added primarily vehicles.

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Speaker 2

So you have a detailed itemized list in your packet. This is just a summary so you get a sense of what was what is being removed or added. And I'm happy, of course, to go through any of the itemizer or the department heads who, helped us put this together.

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Speaker 2

And then on the work program,

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Speaker 2

the only things that, we're at it were really to clarify, I think, the changes that we had about the facility services master plan and also some of the,

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Speaker 2

components getting ready that next year, we're gonna be looking at the North Fulton CTP.

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Speaker 2

So those were the two things primarily,

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Speaker 2

sets that were added to the work program. So that work program is activity based versus capital improvements, which is, you know, project based construction based infrastructure. And I can keep going. I wanna just check-in with you. We're just

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Speaker 2

asking you to approve,

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Speaker 2

that we submit it to the,

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Department of Community Affairs and ARC for review.

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Speaker 1

Thank you, miss miss Alexander.

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Speaker 1

Any questions or comments?

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Speaker 3

Yeah. Council member sells. Hey. Would you go back to the financial page?

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Speaker 3

I've got a couple of part one. Yeah. Yeah. Just wanna make sure I understand. I I hadn't been through the Okay.

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Speaker 3

Comp plan process.

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Speaker 3

Praise god. But I will soon.

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Speaker 3

But so what we're saying here is that,

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Speaker 3

this is the one where we we collected $5.38.

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Speaker 2

That's for that's right here. That's our total. So let me I'll back up a bit. We have three different programs, recreation and parks, transportation

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Speaker 2

and public safety, which is really fire and police. So you'll have different facilities for both fire and police under that. Mhmm. You have an dollar amount associated with each impact fee that is,

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collected

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for growth and to to accommodate the growth associated with the projects.

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Speaker 2

And then each of that. I'm gonna go over here you see on the left impact fees collected

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Speaker 2

and so that was just for that time period. How much was collected? So I just made that summary here for that fiscal year and it's varied over to you know year to year depends on performance

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Speaker 2

in the market.

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Speaker 3

Okay. And that's how we went and then we spent

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Speaker 3

you say expenditures rate 65. So that's how we went from the $5.98

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Speaker 3

to 5,871

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Speaker 2

right and also

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Speaker 2

there's something called credits here on the right side is a little cheat sheet that finance put together for people like me, I need the cheat sheet

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Speaker 2

the credits are associated with say there's a project that

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Speaker 2

that was being already chart,

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Speaker 2

paid for by a prior

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development. And now I'm the new developer coming in, and I'm going to but because they already had paid the impact fees, I might be,

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they get a credit. So we don't there's there's checks and balances so nobody so we don't double dip so nobody's paying twice

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Speaker 2

so if someone was if that the prior developer actually already paid that say the infrastructure was for that new road. We're not collecting from impact fees again.

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Speaker 2

Also if we're paying a project through tea, for example,

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Speaker 2

where it was subsidy, you know somehow could not collected collected separately from

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where the impact fees are identifying

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you would get a credit. So we it's a complex program in that we work with the departments

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as well as finance

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Speaker 2

to make sure to see if there would be a credit that would be available. So I'm explaining something that is a little out of my kin on the finance,

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Speaker 2

but just to give you that abbreviation that there is a process for allowing credits to keep us honest and not double double charge anyone.

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Speaker 2

The other thing is the encumbrances so there might be encumbrances

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Speaker 2

that

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Speaker 2

a project

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was well, just like as you know what they are. Yeah, so that was added to it. So you can see that how the numbers all add up

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Speaker 2

but this this was just for this was for that fiscal year and then the separate one for the six month period of following And do you wanna see the charge the expenditures?

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Speaker 3

Sure.

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Speaker 2

So this was for, again, same fiscal year that twelve months prior, twenty three to twenty four.

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Speaker 2

So this is by by program total.

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Speaker 2

And it's by project. So you can track each project to see how did we spend the money and what was it, you know, what was it used for and what was the amount.

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Speaker 3

And as we look at the projects that are on sort of our economic development pipeline,

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Speaker 3

I see impact fee eligible for some of the product on the

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Speaker 3

CWP

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list, right?

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Speaker 3

For those projects that we are getting, maybe you guys all know this, but I'm not quite sure. How is it determined what the impactful fee will be? Is it because of what's in the,

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Speaker 3

the comp plan or is it,

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Speaker 3

dark arts

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Speaker 3

in a of

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Speaker 3

a cauldron and stuff? What what how does that work?

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Speaker 2

So it's a good time to ask that question because we are undergoing the impact fee study. So you have a consultant working for us right now who is working to go through all of the needs,

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Speaker 2

what are on all your project lists, what is on all your master plans, what,

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Speaker 2

staff has reported the needs and facility needs are according to what you've requested,

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Speaker 2

and then coming up with a calculation

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Speaker 2

per facility,

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Speaker 2

coming up with a calculation

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Speaker 2

to

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Speaker 2

update

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Speaker 2

our fee. So you'll the fee is is charged by, the square footage. It's charged by the types of industrial, commercial, or residential.

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Speaker 2

And

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Speaker 2

there it is charged by what is your,

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Speaker 2

a surrogate for what your need is, and the surrogate is your square footage of your facility. So if you're existing,

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Speaker 2

the consultant will be much more eloquent than I.

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Speaker 2

If your existing,

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Speaker 2

capital ex the

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Speaker 2

value of your existing, say, fire stations

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Speaker 2

for your existing population, they'll calculate

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Speaker 2

what is an appropriate prorated amount for the amount of new growth that you anticipate. So it's a formula Right. Which I guess is black arts as well, but, formula Basically, you're common sizing the cost across.

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Speaker 3

CDs so much better. Yes, sir. Yeah. Common size. We'll be coming back to and applying it to the project based on its square footage being the common sized,

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factor.

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Speaker 2

And and we'll let you know, I, when the, you have a impact fee committee the RDA and when they meet

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Speaker 2

because the consultant comes then too and so you might you know at least to prepare have questions and make sure we get answered in the in the making of the sausage,

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Speaker 2

but there'll be more details specifically on the the formulas and the needs that are assumed.

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Speaker 2

But you can anticipate that the recommendation will be that for some of our,

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Speaker 2

fees that they will go up. They haven't been increased since 2015.

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Speaker 2

So if you think ten years,

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Speaker 2

just even the last few years, how much construction costs have gone up, they're not really keeping up. Okay. Thank you.

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Speaker 1

Council member Beeson.

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Speaker 7

Can you go back to the credit slide?

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Speaker 7

So when you're discussing credits for redevelopment,

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Speaker 7

is that a full credit for the previously paid impact fees, or is that a percentage of credit for the impact fees? And

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Speaker 7

regardless of if it's a percentage or the full, are we really

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Speaker 7

are we covering,

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Speaker 7

the intensification of the use

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Speaker 7

of that amount? Because for instance, if you're doing a redevelopment

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Speaker 7

on a property and the while it has been previously developed,

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Speaker 7

if the use is being intensified, are we fully capturing that when we're honoring the credit?

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Speaker 2

I'm not gonna be able to answer that but

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Speaker 2

intelligently Jackie might have a better idea. I just got the light jog going so we're good. Jackie to the rescue. He said the word I needed to hear

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Speaker 6

So Credits. Credits. Under redevelopment. We'll take that one. For,

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Speaker 6

a project that had something that was built,

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Speaker 6

let's say,

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Speaker 6

in 1993

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Speaker 6

or after, and it had,

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Speaker 6

commercial,

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Speaker 6

and they paid their impact fees. But now they came in and did, like, a mixed use development.

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Speaker 6

They would get credit for the square footage of the commercial, but if they had residential,

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Speaker 6

then no, they would have to pay the full amount of impact fees for the residential portion, and we'd only give them credit for the square footage of the commercial that was existing.

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Speaker 6

Anything over and above that, they would have to pay the impact fees for at this point in time. So follow-up stupid question.

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Speaker 7

So using your example,

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Speaker 7

somebody developed a property, commercial, $2,012.93

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Speaker 7

dollars are not equal to $20.25

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Speaker 7

dollars. So are we accounting for that as well whenever we're giving them that credit? So we take a look at the square footage and the differences.

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Speaker 6

And,

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Speaker 6

normally, like, single family houses are pretty much a one for one.

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Speaker 6

If the square footages,

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Speaker 6

are different, like, if somebody takes a house down,

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Speaker 6

in the past,

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Speaker 6

we were informed that it's a one for one, they don't have to. But,

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Speaker 6

I'd say in the last few years, things have we've there's been a lot of discussion and we've changed a little bit. So if there's more square footage added, we would charge just for the additional square footage

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Speaker 6

over if they've already paid. If it was built prior to 1993,

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Speaker 6

no. They would have to pay now, obviously, because they never paid originally.

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Speaker 6

So back to your other question. So we look at the square footage and try to say if it's if there's additional square footage added onto it,

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Speaker 6

then we would charge them for that currently in today's dollars.

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Speaker 6

So if it was 10,000 square feet in 1993,

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Speaker 6

and they're putting back 25,

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Speaker 6

we're gonna charge them over the 15 we're gonna charge them the 15,000

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Speaker 3

based on today's numbers. Understood. Thank you. K. You're welcome. So can I pull that back to you? Mhmm. Sorry. Sorry.

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Speaker 3

Council member,

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Speaker 1

sells.

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Speaker 1

So

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Speaker 3

what I'm just gonna try to play back that answer. You're saying so if if I had a a piece of property, I had a commercial piece of property, and I knocked it down and it was 10,000 square feet, and I'm gonna build a 100,000 square feet, I'm going to pay impact fees on 90,000 square feet based on the current common size. Correct. Okay. And that's if,

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Speaker 6

one,

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Speaker 6

if you we don't always just offer it up to people.

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Speaker 6

It can be discussed.

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Speaker 6

Some people are aware of the impact fee law,

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Speaker 6

and but most, nine times out of 10, you know, if they're gonna say, hey. So we have commercial and we're going to commercial and we know you we have impact fees. And, we do know we you know, they check took a look and said, we do know this one was paid for because it was built in 1995

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Speaker 6

or whatever.

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Speaker 6

And then we'd be like, yes. We take a look at that, and you you do have to pay for the 90,000 and you'll be paying for the the square footage of that now and the the the fee amounts we'd have today. The theory being that whatever the

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Speaker 6

infrastructure we had to put in for the 10,000 square feet is in place Mhmm. And the incremental 90,000 is the additional burden. That's Right. So there could be new infrastructure that might have to come into place now compared to what was happened then and or it has to be updated because

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Speaker 6

whatever they might have there at that point in time,

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Speaker 6

with this new development or whatever comes in, it could be bringing all kinds of new stuff that we did not have back then in the, like, say, the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 1

Does that help? Council member Hall.

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Speaker 5

Thank you.

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Speaker 5

So my question is,

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Speaker 5

the impact fee law came into,

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Speaker 5

effect in '93. Is that around '1. So around '91, '92. And then we,

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Speaker 6

we implemented it basically almost six months to a year after it came into law. So so my question is,

19:44
Speaker 5

which which part of the law? Do we have to give any credit for anything?

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Speaker 6

Is that law, or is that just something that we're being nice and deciding to do? It is law. It's and it's also in the code related to credits, and there's also exemptions, which I'm not gonna go into because it has nothing to do with this. That's in state code and state exemption, not Roswell. Well, no. It's also

20:05
Speaker 6

since the state code is part of our code, it's also in ours. Okay. So we're required to by law. So the state code requires us to acknowledge

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Speaker 5

that there was

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Speaker 5

a payment, but it does it dictate how much of that

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Speaker 5

everything else is up to us? We could give a dollar credit?

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Speaker 6

I'd have to take a look at that and read through it. But, I mean, I just wanna understand how much

20:32
Speaker 5

we're making the rules and how much the state is,

20:36
Speaker 6

dictating the rules. Pretty much sure that if if they did 10,000, then we'd have to take a look at that 10,000

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Speaker 5

and if they paid for it. Because this just goes back to to council member Beeson's point that the dollars were very, very different back then. I mean, I I would I would

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Speaker 5

speculate to say that I would look at the whole 10,000.

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Speaker 5

And if it was, you know, if you're coming back

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Speaker 5

and with 25,

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Speaker 5

I'd say, okay. Your first 10,000, you paid at, you know, 2¢ on a dollar. Now we're gonna charge you, 5¢.

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Speaker 5

And then for the 15,000,

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Speaker 5

we'll charge you the going rate of 15¢.

21:12
Speaker 5

That's that that would be a way that it would bring parity

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Speaker 5

to,

21:18
Speaker 6

that. So that that's where my question is. We could take a look and because Michelle just said ask the consultant who's doing the new updated one,

21:25
Speaker 6

since he is probably a little bit more familiar with with all the laws. Yeah. What Yeah. Just just historically,

21:31
Speaker 5

we've we've put I mean, this just goes to the point that we've set so many rules on ourselves that we don't even know where those rules came from. And and we make the assumption that they're

21:43
Speaker 5

governed by somebody else when we really self govern those and have the ability to control that destiny, our own destiny.

21:50
Speaker 1

Thank you. Council member Northland.

21:54
Speaker 9

Looking at these percentages,

21:56
Speaker 9

what is the maximum percentage for each of these line items that is allowed by the state?

22:02
Speaker 6

They've never actually told us an infected maximum other than the fact that a 100% is not.

22:08
Speaker 6

And we got that answer this year when we put in 100%

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Speaker 6

but for a couple items for transportation last year, we were told that was incorrect they

22:17
Speaker 6

did not indicate that to us and they said that was that they must have missed it when we were going through. So we made sure that was changed.

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Speaker 6

We'll find out

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Speaker 6

But there's,

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Speaker 6

and when we when when we talked to DCA, they didn't they just said a 100%

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Speaker 6

because we they know that there's no way it's gonna be something that's a 100% filled by impact fee. So some of the numbers up there that show a 100% need to be changed. There shouldn't be any a 100% on this current one. There's There are five? Yes. Okay. Well, we will make sure those are changed because there should not be. We spoke about that earlier.

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Speaker 6

And,

22:55
Speaker 2

yeah, well, The consultant is reviewing it. So, yeah, thank you for bringing that up. We'll find out what the the limit it is and what is the, we'll make sure those are just rationale behind the limit. Yes. Thank you. Okay.

23:09
Speaker 1

Council member sells. Thank you.

23:12
Speaker 3

Mayor

23:13
Speaker 3

what what what what chairman. I guess you're chairman today. Chairman. Yes. Chairman. Alright. Very good.

23:18
Speaker 3

Chairman Isaac.

23:20
Speaker 3

So just to walk through the math on the top one, the 20 2,500,000.0

23:24
Speaker 3

dollars, 20%. What we're saying is that

23:27
Speaker 3

two two, of the 2 and a half million dollars, 20% is exposed

23:31
Speaker 3

to the fee.

23:33
Speaker 2

Correct? Is allowed to be paid for by the fee. Mhmm. Up to 20%

23:38
Speaker 3

can be collected or covered by funds generated by the impact fee. Gotcha. So this is this is not on the chart side. This is on the spin side. Exactly. Exactly. Yes.

23:51
Speaker 1

Council member Beeson.

23:53
Speaker 7

Trying to fix my own citation. I've read several journal articles before on how impact fees are typically fairly underestimated for most municipalities.

24:01
Speaker 7

Yes. Severely underestimated. Yes, ma'am. Back to the conversation

24:05
Speaker 7

between myself, council member Sells, and council member Hall about

24:08
Speaker 7

the credits that are given.

24:10
Speaker 7

To council member Sells' point, I I totally understand if the infrastructure is in place for that property based off of the percentage and the square footage.

24:18
Speaker 7

My concern is moving forward to council member Hall's point,

24:21
Speaker 7

it paints us into a corner whenever we're trying to

24:25
Speaker 7

improve that. So for example, I'll use, I'm gonna mess up I think it's Warsaw where we had to do the waterline replacement because there was, asbestos lined pipes for the waterline. We wound up having to tap into CDBG funds for that, whereas if we were adequately charging impact fees in my mind, that waterline

24:42
Speaker 7

would be funded through,

24:45
Speaker 7

full impact fees as opposed to the credits from what was previously developed. So even in 1993, like, if you assume dollar for dollar that they were even adequate, the technology isn't the same. So making sure that we're preparing in advance for when we have to either maintain or replace,

25:00
Speaker 7

just the general m and o for the city.

25:03
Speaker 7

I would like to see based off council member Hall's point

25:06
Speaker 7

what we can do in terms of credits,

25:08
Speaker 7

and trying to minimize those a little bit more, just to make sure that we're we're

25:14
Speaker 7

covering our behind.

25:15
Speaker 1

Yeah. Thanks.

25:17
Speaker 1

Thank you.

25:19
Speaker 1

Any further comments?

25:23
Speaker 1

Seeing none, we'll entertain a motion.

25:26
Speaker 1

Council member, Northland,

25:28
Speaker 1

second by council member Beeson.

25:31
Speaker 1

Any further discussion?

25:33
Speaker 1

Seeing none, all in favor

25:35
Speaker 1

passes unanimously.

25:37
Speaker 1

Thank you.

25:38
Speaker 1

Item number three,

25:40
Speaker 1

consideration for the mayor and or city administrator to sign a memorandum of agreement between the city of Roswell

25:46
Speaker 1

and the four other North Fulton cities to initiate an update of the North Fulton comprehensive

25:52
Speaker 1

transportation

25:53
Speaker 1

plan

25:53
Speaker 1

and improved budget amendment in the amount of $58,642.

25:59
Speaker 1

This item is gonna be presented by Greg Nicholas,

26:02
Speaker 1

our interim director of transportation.

26:06
Speaker 1

Mister Nicholas.

26:08
Speaker 11

Thank you.

26:10
Speaker 11

Good evening.

26:13
Speaker 11

So the Atlanta Regional Commission is funding an update to the North Fulton comprehensive transportation plan, also known as the NFCTP,

26:22
Speaker 11

in 2025

26:23
Speaker 11

through its comprehensive

26:25
Speaker 11

transportation plan assistance program,

26:28
Speaker 11

which is which is was previously funded through the NFCTP

26:32
Speaker 11

also in '28 2010 and 2018.

26:35
Speaker 11

Typically, the CTP is managed at the county level, but due to the the fact that Fulton County is fully incorporated,

26:43
Speaker 11

ARC will be managing this project,

26:47
Speaker 11

with input from all five North Fulton cities.

26:50
Speaker 11

Project management team with one staff member from each city, will

26:55
Speaker 11

be selected to help guide the process.

26:58
Speaker 11

A memorandum of agreement is needed among all the cities to define the project management and decision making.

27:05
Speaker 11

ARC will act as the project manager,

27:07
Speaker 11

securing the federal funding with GDOT and will handle the the contract and subcontracts.

27:13
Speaker 11

The City Of Johns Creek will serve as the administrative city, collecting the local matching funds

27:19
Speaker 11

from the other four municipalities.

27:22
Speaker 11

Upon authorization from all five city councils,

27:25
Speaker 11

the consultant procurement will begin through ARC,

27:28
Speaker 11

and the the full plan update process is expected to take twelve to eighteen months,

27:34
Speaker 11

including the procurement,

27:35
Speaker 11

evaluation, public engagement,

27:37
Speaker 11

and final adoption.

27:40
Speaker 11

Staff is recommending using

27:42
Speaker 11

unprogrammed t splos two funds to pay for the City Of Roswell's portion

27:47
Speaker 11

of the NFCTP.

27:48
Speaker 11

And the financial impact,

27:52
Speaker 11

the total estimated cost is 1,200,000.0.

27:54
Speaker 11

This includes 990,000

27:57
Speaker 11

in federal funds and 247,500

28:00
Speaker 11

required as the local match by the five cities.

28:03
Speaker 11

And, Roswell's portion based on the 2023

28:07
Speaker 11

ARC population

28:08
Speaker 11

estimates is $58,642.

28:13
Speaker 11

And with that, we will entertain any questions.

28:20
Speaker 1

Any questions?

28:21
Speaker 1

Council member

28:23
Speaker 1

for Northland.

28:25
Speaker 9

Can you, shed light on how Johns Creek was was chosen there? Was that out of the goodness of their heart, or are they getting an administrative fee to do so? No. They're not getting paid anything if they volunteered.

28:35
Speaker 9

Very good.

28:38
Speaker 1

Any other questions?

28:41
Speaker 1

Seeing none, we'll entertain a motion.

28:48
Speaker 1

Motion by council member

28:50
Speaker 1

Johnson, second by council member Hills.

28:53
Speaker 1

Any further discussion?

28:54
Speaker 1

Seeing none, all in favor?

28:56
Speaker 1

This passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

28:59
Speaker 1

Item number four, consideration for the mayor and or city administrator to authorize the sale of approximately 360

29:06
Speaker 1

square feet of city owned right of way at 11370

29:10
Speaker 1

Crabapple Road.

29:11
Speaker 1

Mister Nicholas.

29:13
Speaker 11

Thank you.

29:15
Speaker 11

So we have a developer at 11370

29:18
Speaker 11

Crabapple Road. This is at the,

29:20
Speaker 11

intersection

29:21
Speaker 11

of Crabapple Road and Chaffin Road.

29:24
Speaker 11

They have requested to purchase a 20 by 18,

29:29
Speaker 11

piece of right away

29:30
Speaker 11

along Crabapple Road that is is currently containing

29:33
Speaker 11

the city drainage structure.

29:35
Speaker 11

The developer plans to integrate the structure into their private drainage system,

29:40
Speaker 11

limit essentially eliminating the city's need, for the right away.

29:44
Speaker 11

After review with transportation

29:45
Speaker 11

and the environmental public works

29:48
Speaker 11

staff,

29:49
Speaker 11

we are all in agreement that we there is no need for the notch in the future based on the current design,

29:54
Speaker 11

the development

29:55
Speaker 11

and recommend approving the sale.

29:58
Speaker 11

The applicant proposed a purchase rate of $6.35

30:02
Speaker 11

per square foot.

30:04
Speaker 11

CityStat

30:05
Speaker 11

did analyze comparable data and determined that $10 per square foot,

30:10
Speaker 11

seemed to be better in this area.

30:12
Speaker 11

So

30:13
Speaker 11

just a quick

30:15
Speaker 11

this is Crabapple at Chaffin, and the red box is the little notch

30:20
Speaker 11

of right of way. That's the 360

30:22
Speaker 11

square feet.

30:24
Speaker 11

And then this is just shown on their site plan.

30:28
Speaker 11

Just the red box highlighted there again.

30:32
Speaker 11

So staff is recommending the sale right away to the developer as there's no need for the notch. And

30:38
Speaker 11

as far as the financial impact, the city would receive 3,600

30:41
Speaker 11

for the sale of the 360

30:43
Speaker 11

square feet, and that money would go into the general fund.

30:47
Speaker 11

With that, we'll answer any questions.

30:51
Speaker 1

Any questions for mister Nicholas?

30:54
Speaker 1

Seeing none, we'll entertain a motion.

30:56
Speaker 1

Motion by Council Member Johnson, second by Council Member Beeson.

31:00
Speaker 1

Any further discussion?

31:03
Speaker 1

Seeing

31:04
Speaker 1

none. All in favor?

31:05
Speaker 1

Passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

31:08
Speaker 1

Item number five, consideration for the mayor and or city administrator

31:13
Speaker 1

to accept a right away agreement from the reserve at Newton Development for roadway improvements on Nesbitt Ferry Road.

31:20
Speaker 1

Mister Nicholas.

31:21
Speaker 11

Thank you.

31:24
Speaker 11

So this is

31:25
Speaker 11

actually, this should say the reserve at Newtown.

31:28
Speaker 11

This is over near Newtown Park in Johns

31:32
Speaker 11

Creek. There's a residential development that is fully in the city of Johns Creek, but their access is off of,

31:38
Speaker 11

Nesbitt Ferry, which is in Roswell in this section.

31:42
Speaker 11

As part of the project, right of way improvements,

31:44
Speaker 11

which would include

31:46
Speaker 11

turn lanes and multi use trail, are required along Nesbitt Ferry.

31:51
Speaker 11

To ensure the maintenance,

31:53
Speaker 11

staff requested the right of way be dedicated to the city of Roswell,

31:57
Speaker 11

in coordination. We coordinated with, Johns Creek on this.

32:01
Speaker 11

So the dedication includes the improvement

32:04
Speaker 11

of the area plus a minimum one foot buffer, beyond,

32:07
Speaker 11

the multi the the new multi use trail,

32:10
Speaker 11

and the total area would be approximately point three acres.

32:15
Speaker 11

Just quick map. This is, the development just south of Scott Road on the east side there of Nesbitt Ferry.

32:23
Speaker 11

This is just their overall site plan

32:26
Speaker 11

showing the I think they have a desal lane going in. The multiuse trail is not showing on this, but the multiuse trail is being built along this whole frontage.

32:36
Speaker 11

And then as far as staff's recommend recommendation, we are, recommending

32:42
Speaker 11

that Riley be dedicated to the city of Roswell.

32:45
Speaker 11

And as far as financial impact, they're just minor upkeep,

32:48
Speaker 11

which will be managed through our department's operating budget,

32:52
Speaker 11

once it's constructed.

32:54
Speaker 11

And with that, we'll answer any questions.

32:57
Speaker 1

Any questions for mister Nicholas?

33:00
Speaker 1

K. Seeing none, we'll entertain a motion. Motion by council member Johnson, second by council member Hills.

33:07
Speaker 1

Further discussion?

33:08
Speaker 1

Seeing none, all in favor? Passes unanimously. Thank you.

33:13
Speaker 1

Item number six, consideration

33:15
Speaker 1

of a resolution to approve the 2025

33:18
Speaker 1

annual action plan for the community development block grant, CDBG

33:23
Speaker 1

presented by Charles Alford,

33:25
Speaker 1

grant specialist.

33:27
Speaker 1

Mister Alford.

33:42
Speaker 10

It's,

33:44
Speaker 10

as you guys know, the city receives annual funding through HUD's community development block grants program every year. In order to secure those those funds, we have to submit an annual action plan to HUD every year.

33:56
Speaker 10

Our 2025 annual action plan is due to HUD, August 16.

34:01
Speaker 10

So I just wanna do, like, a little refresher. I think you guys probably remember where we've, committed those funds, but I just want to confirm,

34:09
Speaker 10

that we're heading in the right direction

34:11
Speaker 10

and also to give you an update on sort of the projects that are involved with these CDG funds. So as I mentioned, the the annual action plan specifies intended use of the city's annual community development block grant funds.

34:23
Speaker 10

They're tied to our five year strategic plan, which is a HUD requirement.

34:27
Speaker 10

We started that in 2023.

34:30
Speaker 10

At the time, we identified affordable housing as the main need there,

34:34
Speaker 10

particularly as it relates to the redevelopment of the Roswell housing authorities,

34:39
Speaker 10

199 Grove Way, the Puffy Pines Apartments.

34:44
Speaker 10

So we got a total allocation this year of $406.68.

34:50
Speaker 10

I should go back and say in in 2023,

34:53
Speaker 10

we went ahead and

34:55
Speaker 10

allocated

34:56
Speaker 10

our 2023

34:57
Speaker 10

CDBG funds to the demolition and clearance

35:00
Speaker 10

of the, property, which was finished this year.

35:03
Speaker 10

And then we also made another commitment to help with gap financing for the housing authorities low income housing tax credit,

35:11
Speaker 10

application to the DCA.

35:13
Speaker 10

To satisfy that, we, decided to go for a section one zero eight loan through HUD,

35:18
Speaker 10

which allows us

35:21
Speaker 10

to apply for up to five times our annual allocation,

35:24
Speaker 10

and we can repay that loan using our CDBG,

35:27
Speaker 10

funding every year.

35:29
Speaker 10

And so,

35:31
Speaker 10

the loan proceeds will go to the housing authority,

35:34
Speaker 10

particularly for the site work

35:36
Speaker 10

at the Pelfrey Pines redevelopment.

35:40
Speaker 10

So,

35:41
Speaker 10

just so you know, we we applied for that section one zero eight loan in December 2024. I believe

35:47
Speaker 10

mayor and council approved it in July, so we applied in December

35:51
Speaker 10

2024.

35:52
Speaker 10

I heard back from them,

35:54
Speaker 10

from HUD

35:55
Speaker 10

last Friday, and it has been approved,

35:58
Speaker 10

internally.

35:59
Speaker 10

It now has to go for congressional approval,

36:02
Speaker 10

but, they do believe we should have that in the next thirty days.

36:07
Speaker 10

The low income housing tax credit closing is anticipated for August, so we should have that in time for that, closing.

36:15
Speaker 10

And we will be able to,

36:17
Speaker 10

start making loan repayments beginning fall of twenty twenty five.

36:21
Speaker 10

We allocated last year's CDBG funds to repaying the loans. We had the 2024 funds, and we're recommending through this annual action plan that we continue that and,

36:31
Speaker 10

apply the 2025

36:32
Speaker 10

funds,

36:34
Speaker 10

to repaying this loan.

36:36
Speaker 10

And, so the plan, if you guys are okay with it, the plan is due 08/16/2025.

36:43
Speaker 10

I would open a public comment period on Friday, the twenty seventh. We would close that comment period on July 28, collect any comments,

36:51
Speaker 10

and take it for a,

36:53
Speaker 10

resolution

36:54
Speaker 10

at the city council meeting on August 11, and then submit the the plan to HUD after that.

37:02
Speaker 10

Questions?

37:04
Speaker 1

Thank you. Any questions?

37:06
Speaker 8

Council member Hills. Thank you. Thank you, mister Alford. I just wanna clarify that last year, CDBG money is parked for us to use toward repayment That's correct. Addition to this year. Yeah. Well, I appreciate your attention to all this and working thoroughly through this process. It's been tedious and arduous and

37:23
Speaker 8

taken a lot of time,

37:25
Speaker 8

not only on the calendar, but, you know, for staff. So I I'm in full support of this and very excited of the prospects of, redeveloping 199 Grove Way. Thank you very much.

37:35
Speaker 1

Council member Beeson.

37:38
Speaker 7

Remind me. Is this typically done a little bit earlier in the year? I feel like we in the past, our public comment period has been, like, in May. It just depends. They they send us a letter in May Okay. Because of,

37:51
Speaker 10

they sent it in late May, but sometimes we've got it as early as February. We're technically supposed to have it the prior year if you go by the federal.

37:59
Speaker 7

Got it. So it's because we received the federal letter later than normal that it triggered our processing later than normal. Yeah. Because otherwise, I would say it's obviously not ideal to have a public comment period through summer when everyone's traveling and it's holidays and people aren't around. But I understand if that's coming from the federal down, that impacts our timeline. Thank you.

38:18
Speaker 1

Any other questions?

38:20
Speaker 1

Seeing none, we'll entertain a motion. Council member Hills Motion.

38:24
Speaker 1

Motion.

38:26
Speaker 1

Second by council member Morthland.

38:29
Speaker 1

All in favor?

38:31
Speaker 1

Passes unanimously.

38:32
Speaker 1

Thank you.

38:34
Speaker 1

Item number seven, consideration to award a demolition contract.

38:39
Speaker 1

Lita Thompson Park And Bowen And Highway 92 properties presented by Stephen Malone, director of recreation parks, historic, and cultural affairs.

38:47
Speaker 13

Good evening. Thank you for allowing me this presentation tonight.

38:52
Speaker 13

Real quick, I'll jump into it. The request tonight

38:55
Speaker 13

is specific to the properties at Lita Thompson Memorial Park and Bowen in 92.

39:01
Speaker 13

There are

39:06
Speaker 13

we're requesting contract approval and budget authorization for demolition and abatement of five structurally compromised buildings.

39:13
Speaker 13

Again, the location of those five structures are at Lita Thompson Memorial Park in Bowen in 92 property.

39:19
Speaker 13

The issues that we've been dealing with are ongoing include stormwater or storm damage, vandalism,

39:25
Speaker 13

rodent infestation, and hazardous materials. The total contract would not would be not to exceed

39:32
Speaker 13

$238,315

39:35
Speaker 13

That includes a 10% contingency.

39:38
Speaker 13

The contractor is prime contractors potentially and funded by insurance reimbursement

39:42
Speaker 13

and park CIP maintenance fund. If you recall,

39:45
Speaker 13

we came before this body,

39:47
Speaker 13

a couple months ago to accept a reimbursement for insurance

39:51
Speaker 13

related to the the damage from the hurricane last September, I believe.

39:56
Speaker 13

I'll run through just a couple pictures in a minute, but the timeline and next steps, if approved, permitting to follow contract approval,

40:04
Speaker 13

work to begin within thirty days of the notice to proceed, and then the project duration is approximately

40:09
Speaker 13

five weeks.

40:11
Speaker 13

Real quick, I'll show you a little overview. This is Alita Thompson Memorial Gardens. You'll see the Art Center West down there,

40:17
Speaker 13

at the rear of the park. That's almost the far peak of the park right there. You'll see the red and the green box.

40:23
Speaker 13

That is the, cabin and the brick house and garage.

40:27
Speaker 13

And then the blue box on the bottom left hand corner along Highway 92 is what we call the yellow house.

40:34
Speaker 13

Real quick, this is the damaged brick home that sits on the back of the property

40:38
Speaker 13

with, as you can see multiple damage

40:42
Speaker 13

to that property beyond repair.

40:44
Speaker 13

This is the adjacent garage with structural damage.

40:48
Speaker 13

This is what we call the cabin that is down by the pond. This is the one that's rodent infested,

40:54
Speaker 13

and this is the yellow house that's on Highway 92.

40:58
Speaker 13

We have significant issues with this house as it relates to break ins and vandalism,

41:03
Speaker 13

I think, because of the high visibility.

41:06
Speaker 13

The other two structures we're recommending are on the Bowen And 92 property. The red box right there is actually the single story ranch brick home,

41:15
Speaker 13

and the blue box back there is the temporary

41:18
Speaker 13

trailer that's on the back of that property.

41:21
Speaker 13

Here's the single story ranch style home.

41:25
Speaker 13

This has had significant

41:27
Speaker 13

PD related

41:28
Speaker 13

calls.

41:29
Speaker 13

We are addressing this facility about once a week currently

41:34
Speaker 13

to try to re secure the building based on break ins and vandals that are going through that structure.

41:41
Speaker 13

Structure. And this is just the temporary trailer structure that was used. It's beyond repair and and more of a nuisance as it sits right now.

41:51
Speaker 13

Any questions?

41:53
Speaker 13

Yes, ma'am.

41:54
Speaker 8

Council member Hills. Thank you. No one's living in any of those. Correct? They're all No, ma'am. These are all abandoned and I just feel like it's important to ask. Yes, ma'am. Thank you.

42:05
Speaker 1

Any further questions? Council member Marthlin.

42:10
Speaker 9

On the Jones Bowen, property,

42:13
Speaker 9

I saw the yellow house.

42:16
Speaker 9

There's another structure on the front side of that that's not part of this or that is part of this.

42:21
Speaker 13

So this is the sing there this is actually what would have been a house that actually has two phases to it. It's you'll see the brick side, and you'll also see the yellow,

42:31
Speaker 13

clad

42:32
Speaker 13

siding that actually has a garage kinda on the backside of this. Brick house is part of this. Correct. Okay. That's correct. Gotcha. Thank you.

42:40
Speaker 13

Inside all that structure connects.

42:44
Speaker 1

Any other questions?

42:45
Speaker 1

Seeing none, we'll entertain a motion. Motion by council member Hills, second by council member Northland.

42:52
Speaker 1

Further discussion?

42:54
Speaker 1

Seeing none, all in favor?

42:56
Speaker 1

And it passes unanimously. Thank you very much. Thank you.

43:00
Speaker 1

Item number eight, consideration to award a contract with Native Instinct LLC for the water treatment plant generator in an amount not to exceed $324,802.56.

43:14
Speaker 1

Presented by Brian Watson, director of environmental public works.

43:18
Speaker 14

Thank you. Mister Watson. Thank you very much. Lost my pen, which makes me feel uncomfortable, but that's okay.

43:24
Speaker 14

Thank you, Chairwoman

43:26
Speaker 14

Izzo. Good afternoon,

43:28
Speaker 14

Council.

43:29
Speaker 14

Usually I have the mayor there, so that throws me off.

43:32
Speaker 14

This first item in October of twenty twenty two,

43:35
Speaker 14

EPW submitted on thank you. Feel much better.

43:39
Speaker 14

EPW,

43:40
Speaker 14

I'm an annual engineer, come on now.

43:42
Speaker 14

That's not funny.

43:45
Speaker 14

EPW submitted on a grant to FEMA and GEMA for a backup generator for our water treatment plant.

43:51
Speaker 14

In March of twenty twenty five, mayor and council

43:54
Speaker 14

approved receiving $573,686.70,

44:00
Speaker 14

from the federal government to fund that backup generator.

44:04
Speaker 14

Due to the federal procurement regulations, the city is required to actually put each of these items out to bid. So we put,

44:12
Speaker 14

the first one that we solicited for was this generator,

44:15
Speaker 14

put it out on our city's website.

44:18
Speaker 14

On May 29, we received 11 quotes

44:21
Speaker 14

for the generator

44:23
Speaker 14

that range between

44:25
Speaker 14

$313,307.25

44:28
Speaker 14

to $565,000

44:31
Speaker 14

with a quote submitted by Native Instinct LLC being the most responsive and responsible to do the work.

44:36
Speaker 14

Staff recommends awarding the contract to Native Instinct.

44:39
Speaker 14

Now with that, I'll take any questions.

44:44
Speaker 1

Seeing no questions, we'll entertain a motion.

44:48
Speaker 1

Motion by council member Johnson, second by council member Sells.

44:54
Speaker 1

Before we vote on this, I just wanna check. We're moving this to a special called meeting.

44:59
Speaker 14

Correct? Yeah. I thank you. I didn't know if I was supposed to do that.

45:03
Speaker 14

Yeah. So, I'm requesting that, you all well, if you vote on it tonight that we bring it to the special called meeting,

45:10
Speaker 14

next Monday night,

45:12
Speaker 14

the Native Instinct has agreed to hold this pricing until the end of the month, at which point it then goes up 10%.

45:19
Speaker 14

So

45:20
Speaker 14

but they said that if we can bring it on the thirtieth, that they would acknowledge and accept the pricing at. So

45:27
Speaker 14

thank you, Councilwoman.

45:29
Speaker 2

Well, I'm being promoted.

45:31
Speaker 2

Oh, that's not a promotion.

45:35
Speaker 1

Council member Beeson.

45:39
Speaker 7

With regard to that understanding that you have a timely and necessary and you wanna bring this in on Monday,

45:44
Speaker 7

can I make the request that we do it for what's typically our 05:00 special called session when we open it up to closure? Yes. Okay. Yes, ma'am. So just making sure. I believe that the plan is to have the special called at 05:00.

45:55
Speaker 1

Cool. Yes. And there'll be a couple items on that that That'd be ready for seven. Okay. Any further discussion?

46:03
Speaker 1

Seeing none, all in favor?

46:05
Speaker 1

Passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

46:07
Speaker 1

Item number nine, consideration to award a contract with Kendall Supply Incorporated to relocate AMI equipment in an amount not to exceed $99,500

46:18
Speaker 1

presented by mister Watson.

46:20
Speaker 14

Thank you. So the Roswell Water Utility will be relocating

46:23
Speaker 14

equipment that is currently attached to our Community Circle tank.

46:28
Speaker 14

The equipment is part of our advanced metering infrastructure,

46:31
Speaker 14

AMI,

46:32
Speaker 14

system.

46:34
Speaker 14

In the agenda item, it says a propagation study is being conducted. It's actually been finished since this,

46:41
Speaker 14

since this got published

46:42
Speaker 14

and the best location is actually a little bit more centrally located to our

46:47
Speaker 14

utility.

46:48
Speaker 14

Staff recommends awarding a contract to Kendall Supply in the amount of 99,500.

46:54
Speaker 14

We're also recommending allocating 25,500

46:58
Speaker 14

for unforeseen circumstances.

47:00
Speaker 14

And with that, I'll take any questions.

47:05
Speaker 1

Mister Watson, this one also is going to the special called. Am I correct?

47:10
Speaker 4

That would be great. Okay.

47:13
Speaker 1

Alright.

47:16
Speaker 1

Let's see. Any we have no further questions. We'll entertain a motion.

47:22
Speaker 1

Motion by council member Sells, second by council member Johnson to move this forward to the special called on 06/30/2025.

47:29
Speaker 1

Any further discussion?

47:31
Speaker 1

Seeing none, all in favor?

47:33
Speaker 1

And it passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

47:38
Speaker 1

Last item.

47:39
Speaker 1

Item number 10, consideration of an ordinance to establish the Roswell development finance program

47:45
Speaker 1

presented by Daryl Connolly, director of of economic development.

47:49
Speaker 1

Mister Connolly.

48:12
Speaker 4

An ordinance to establish the program?

48:24
Speaker 4

Okay. Back in July

48:26
Speaker 4

2024,

48:27
Speaker 4

we set forth an economic development strategy

48:30
Speaker 4

that the council approved. It had goals,

48:33
Speaker 4

objectives

48:34
Speaker 4

to grow the economy.

48:36
Speaker 4

We also had targeted catalytic projects, including a couple of hotels.

48:41
Speaker 4

The strategy included repositioning Roswell, diversifying the tax base, for the city,

48:47
Speaker 4

and also talked about establishing a set of tools

48:51
Speaker 4

in order to encourage development that included a tax allocation district.

48:55
Speaker 4

The Roswell development finance program is another tool that we've been working on for some time.

49:01
Speaker 4

And

49:02
Speaker 4

the way we've designed this is a program

49:05
Speaker 4

to help finance hotels

49:08
Speaker 4

that are very, very difficult to finance in this particular environment.

49:11
Speaker 4

There were in the economic development strategy several hotels that we were looking to to catalyze and this will help to

49:19
Speaker 4

make those projects happen.

49:21
Speaker 4

The program is

49:24
Speaker 4

established pursuant to what we have is OCGA 30 six-sixty

49:28
Speaker 4

two-seventeen.

49:29
Speaker 4

That's otherwise known as the Commercial Property Assess,

49:33
Speaker 4

Conservation Energy and Resiliency Act.

49:35
Speaker 4

It's something that was

49:37
Speaker 4

put into the law back,

49:39
Speaker 4

last year by the state,

49:41
Speaker 4

and it was broad based legislation

49:43
Speaker 4

that

49:45
Speaker 4

said that development authorities or downtown development authorities can,

49:49
Speaker 4

set up programs to finance,

49:51
Speaker 4

certain types of improvements like energy efficiency, conservation

49:55
Speaker 4

improvements.

49:56
Speaker 4

What we've done is we've taken the program,

49:59
Speaker 4

And while that particular law allows a broad base of projects to

50:04
Speaker 4

be financed,

50:05
Speaker 4

we wanted to set up a targeted economic development

50:09
Speaker 4

tool. So and we are looking at hotel projects, so specifically new hotel projects

50:15
Speaker 4

in the city.

50:18
Speaker 4

So

50:19
Speaker 4

we're also saying

50:21
Speaker 4

there's an ordinance that

50:22
Speaker 4

is before you as well as some guidelines.

50:25
Speaker 4

And

50:26
Speaker 4

it talks about new hotel developments,

50:29
Speaker 4

along with ancillary commercial uses. So if the hotel has

50:33
Speaker 4

a retail or an office use, that would also be eligible under this particular program, and it would be citywide.

50:41
Speaker 4

We are putting forth a a minimum for a a loan of $4,000,000

50:47
Speaker 4

that would be,

50:48
Speaker 4

according to the to the laws, you can do a maximum of 25%

50:52
Speaker 4

of a

50:53
Speaker 4

total project.

50:55
Speaker 4

So it's a $20,000,000

50:56
Speaker 4

project, a $4,000,000

50:58
Speaker 4

loan under the Roswell development finance program,

51:01
Speaker 4

that we're establishing.

51:03
Speaker 4

The improvements,

51:04
Speaker 4

that would be eligible

51:05
Speaker 4

are

51:06
Speaker 4

energy efficiency,

51:08
Speaker 4

water conservation,

51:10
Speaker 4

renewal energy and resiliency.

51:12
Speaker 4

Those are certain things that hotel developers are particularly putting into their projects today.

51:19
Speaker 4

The law says that you have to do this

51:21
Speaker 4

set up through a development authority or downtown development authority. What we are proposing here is that it be administered

51:29
Speaker 4

by the city. So we're self administering it through

51:32
Speaker 4

the Roswell Development Authority

51:34
Speaker 4

that'll be done pursuant to an intergovernmental

51:37
Speaker 4

agreement.

51:38
Speaker 4

So we would be controlling that program.

51:42
Speaker 4

The features of the program, it's,

51:45
Speaker 4

uses third party,

51:47
Speaker 4

private capital. These aren't government funds. These are not,

51:52
Speaker 4

the city is not putting up any money for these,

51:55
Speaker 4

these projects,

51:56
Speaker 4

but private capital would finance the improvements.

51:59
Speaker 4

The loans

52:00
Speaker 4

would be paid back through a special tax assessment that would be placed on the property.

52:06
Speaker 4

By doing that, it enables property owners to improve the economics.

52:10
Speaker 4

It enables because it is essentially

52:13
Speaker 4

a first lien, with the same priority as

52:16
Speaker 4

real estate taxes.

52:18
Speaker 4

The lenders are willing to grant a lower interest rate,

52:22
Speaker 4

lower amortization,

52:24
Speaker 4

longer amortization,

52:26
Speaker 4

and also allows them to transfer a loan to a third party. So if they sell, say, the hotel to another party that we run with land and that could be transferred.

52:37
Speaker 4

With this program, the city would receive fees

52:40
Speaker 4

as the program

52:42
Speaker 4

administrator.

52:42
Speaker 4

We'll go into exactly what those,

52:45
Speaker 4

we're proposing those be.

52:47
Speaker 4

And then we would also collect

52:49
Speaker 4

the loan payments. So a the property owner would essentially pay

52:53
Speaker 4

the loan through the city. We would then pay

52:57
Speaker 4

the lender.

53:00
Speaker 4

The program fees that we are proposing

53:02
Speaker 4

that you would be approving in the guidelines,

53:05
Speaker 4

we would have a loan application fee of,

53:08
Speaker 4

$500 that is nonrefundable.

53:10
Speaker 4

There's administrative

53:12
Speaker 4

fee,

53:13
Speaker 4

1% of the loan amount paid at closing,

53:17
Speaker 4

legal fee

53:18
Speaker 4

at 50 basis points or essentially five half a

53:22
Speaker 4

percent for,

53:24
Speaker 4

putting together all the loan, the documents that we need to do, the special assessment. And then there's also a servicing fee

53:31
Speaker 4

that the city would get, which is 1%

53:33
Speaker 4

of the annual payment, and that would be added to their annual tax bill.

53:39
Speaker 4

This particular slide

53:41
Speaker 4

shows a hypothetical

53:42
Speaker 4

comparison, so you how this would improve the economics

53:46
Speaker 4

of a project.

53:47
Speaker 4

On the left hand side is conventional construction financing

53:51
Speaker 4

for

53:53
Speaker 4

a hotel. Typically, you would have equity,

53:56
Speaker 4

senior debt, and then mezzanine debt.

53:59
Speaker 4

So the Roswell Development Finance program

54:02
Speaker 4

loan,

54:03
Speaker 4

that would replace the mezzanine debt. So when you're looking at this and look at the blended rate, really talking about

54:12
Speaker 4

in conventional financing

54:13
Speaker 4

today would be about 11.6%

54:17
Speaker 4

under with using the Roswell development finance program, you would have a blended rate of about 9.8%.

54:23
Speaker 4

And what that means to the property owner is about

54:26
Speaker 4

$300,000

54:27
Speaker 4

annual savings,

54:30
Speaker 4

using

54:31
Speaker 4

a development cost of about $20,000,000

54:34
Speaker 4

So it's pretty pretty significant,

54:36
Speaker 4

and it certainly impacts the economics

54:39
Speaker 4

of a a project.

54:41
Speaker 4

This slide is showing a an example of the the fees. If you had a $4,000,000

54:47
Speaker 4

loan, which is our our minimum,

54:50
Speaker 4

The you would have an application fee of $500

54:53
Speaker 4

The administrative fee would be 1% of the

54:57
Speaker 4

the $4,000,000

54:58
Speaker 4

which is $40,000

54:59
Speaker 4

The legal fee

55:01
Speaker 4

would be $20,000 and then annual servicing fees would be about $4,000

55:06
Speaker 4

per year.

55:08
Speaker 4

In terms of the mechanics,

55:11
Speaker 4

since we would be Citi would be the administrator of this particular program,

55:15
Speaker 4

developer would go out, get their third party financing.

55:21
Speaker 4

They would apply for the loan through the city.

55:23
Speaker 4

The economic development team would review the project for conformity

55:27
Speaker 4

with with the guidelines that you adopt.

55:30
Speaker 4

The lender would then provide the loan, and then the city would place the special assessment on the property.

55:37
Speaker 4

Developer would then build the project.

55:39
Speaker 4

City city

55:41
Speaker 4

would make sure that they are adhering to the the requirements in in the program,

55:47
Speaker 4

and then loan repayment would be made through the special assessment.

55:53
Speaker 4

To establish the program,

55:55
Speaker 4

so today we're at the council committee.

55:58
Speaker 4

We're proposing that we have the first reading of the ordinance and the guidelines which are in your your packet

56:03
Speaker 4

on the fourteenth.

56:06
Speaker 4

We would then, on the fifteenth, go to the RDA,

56:09
Speaker 4

the development authority, to approve an IGA.

56:13
Speaker 4

And then on the twenty fourth, we would have the second reading at the mayor and council meeting

56:18
Speaker 4

of the ordinance and the guidelines which we would approve as well as approval of the IGA.

56:24
Speaker 4

Thereafter, we would start,

56:26
Speaker 4

and launch the program with an application and and procedures. So,

56:28
Speaker 4

Council

56:41
Speaker 4

member Sells.

56:44
Speaker 1

Council member Sells.

56:45
Speaker 3

Thank you,

56:47
Speaker 3

chairman.

56:48
Speaker 3

Just a couple of quick things. I'd like to hit the a couple of points. The first is you would I wanna be clear. You said it, but I wanna restate this. The city is not the lender.

56:58
Speaker 3

Correct? This is there is no city,

57:01
Speaker 3

funding of the loan itself.

57:03
Speaker 3

Correct. And the the lender would be a bank or a third party of some sort. Right? Yes. Okay. And the special tax assessment that we discussed, which is the source of repayment of the loan, that is not coming at the expense of our taxes.

57:17
Speaker 3

That is an addition. Basically, we're taking their mortgage payment

57:21
Speaker 3

and collecting it through the taxing,

57:23
Speaker 3

arm of the city. Is that is that correct or good? That's that correct. Okay.

57:29
Speaker 3

And and and the reason that that improves

57:33
Speaker 3

the interest rate for that borrower

57:36
Speaker 3

is because

57:37
Speaker 3

the risk assessment of that mezzanine debt has gone down

57:43
Speaker 3

because

57:43
Speaker 3

of the fact that it's tied to the land and to the taxing authority of of the city Of Roswell. Correct? That's correct. Okay.

57:52
Speaker 3

So

57:53
Speaker 3

the all we're really doing

57:55
Speaker 3

is providing a way for them to reduce their borrowing cost by reducing risk

58:00
Speaker 3

and to use it for specific projects, which we tailored this program

58:04
Speaker 3

because success

58:06
Speaker 3

congrats to YouTube in particular for for for honchoing

58:09
Speaker 3

this. Projects that we want

58:11
Speaker 3

of a size that we want

58:13
Speaker 3

and sufficient in size such that

58:16
Speaker 3

the fees that we're talking about cover the cost of administering it on a year to year basis, but also provide us a tool in our tool belt to drive that,

58:25
Speaker 3

additional economic development. Is that does that 100%. The project? 100% correct.

58:30
Speaker 3

There's a question mark at the end somewhere, I'm sure.

58:34
Speaker 1

Council member else.

58:37
Speaker 8

Council member sells brought up a good point as far as,

58:40
Speaker 8

the funding.

58:42
Speaker 8

It looks like under capitalization, maybe I'm misreading this. It says the program may also leverage public funding through revenue bond issuance. Is that not

58:50
Speaker 4

on the shoulders of the residents to taxpayers? So the Roswell Development Authority could potentially issue a a bond

58:59
Speaker 8

for the program if they show desire, but it is not So that's not absolute what your answer was for that council member sales. It is c I g a above.

59:10
Speaker 3

Okay.

59:13
Speaker 8

Alright. And then other question,

59:16
Speaker 8

what is what's the typical life of the loan

59:19
Speaker 4

for these? Is it thirty? This would be a thirty year.

59:23
Speaker 8

And then we, the city, are with the fees that we collect on this are responsible for compliance. So, low flow toilet is not gonna

59:32
Speaker 8

necessarily last thirty years. I'm making it really simple here. But how does that work so that we're not

59:38
Speaker 8

it let's say

59:40
Speaker 8

let's say the IGA didn't hold, then the RDA decided to put out a revenue bond. Or I don't know. I'm just putting that out there.

59:48
Speaker 8

And the residents are paying for that.

59:50
Speaker 8

Our taxpayers are paying for that. And then we've got a roof that was secure at the beginning of the loan that's energy efficient or toilets or the insulation or whatever the the myriad of things are that they could qualify for this. How how does that work as far as what's our responsibility?

01:00:05
Speaker 8

How is that,

01:00:07
Speaker 8

how is that managed?

01:00:08
Speaker 4

So

01:00:09
Speaker 4

to to clarify, so the

01:00:12
Speaker 4

if the Roswell Development Authority issued a bond, that would be a a revenue bond issued not necessarily

01:00:19
Speaker 4

this is not a GO bond, not general obligation bond,

01:00:23
Speaker 4

paid for by the residents. It would be a third party.

01:00:27
Speaker 8

Thank you. So

01:00:29
Speaker 4

but but then you would have an amortization

01:00:31
Speaker 4

term of over thirty years. So it would be amortized over a thirty year period.

01:00:37
Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you. I had that the bond wrong. Thank you for that clarification.

01:00:41
Speaker 1

Council member Johnson.

01:00:43
Speaker 9

If the hotel gets built and it goes bankrupt for whatever economic reasons before the loan is paid off, does

01:00:50
Speaker 9

the

01:00:51
Speaker 9

lender get the lien on the hotel? Does the RDA get the lien on the hotel? Who gets to,

01:00:57
Speaker 9

you know, who

01:00:58
Speaker 9

gets to hold you?

01:01:01
Speaker 4

It's it's a

01:01:02
Speaker 4

Joe, you may want to

01:01:04
Speaker 4

to weigh in on this, but you you essentially have

01:01:07
Speaker 4

if there is a default on that, you would auction off the the lien to a

01:01:13
Speaker 4

on the courthouse steps. Correct? Yeah. More than likely,

01:01:17
Speaker 12

I think we looked at one case study in which that happened. That's the the whole

01:01:23
Speaker 12

life of the CPACE program. It's happened one time, and the bank stepped in,

01:01:27
Speaker 12

and paid off the debt.

01:01:29
Speaker 12

So that's

01:01:30
Speaker 12

rare, but it's something to think about. Normally, the bank would step in and

01:01:35
Speaker 12

take

01:01:36
Speaker 3

over. Yeah. It's just like a tax member sells. Sorry. It's just like a tax lien.

01:01:41
Speaker 3

They sell it with they they they settle it and they sell the tax lien, and if they get 10¢ on the dollar, then that settles the debt. We're not in any way on the hook for the debt at all.

01:01:50
Speaker 4

Correct.

01:01:53
Speaker 1

Council member Morthland.

01:01:58
Speaker 9

So it's my my understanding of the state statute here, the OCGA

01:02:03
Speaker 9

thirty six sixty two seventeen. And,

01:02:05
Speaker 9

mister Conley, you you touched on it earlier. It's it's very general. It's broad. Lots of things can go into this thing. And I understand that we're talking about tonight this just being a hotel

01:02:16
Speaker 9

scenario for economic development reasons.

01:02:19
Speaker 9

My, my ask tonight is that

01:02:22
Speaker 9

the housing authority in the Roswell in in Roswell would also be beneficial

01:02:28
Speaker 9

to this this scenario as well. I know we have this on the, potential calendar to come forward in February time,

01:02:36
Speaker 9

but my ask is that can we get legal to look into the fact that would it be acceptable to include the Roswell housing authority into this this conversation?

01:02:45
Speaker 9

And is

01:02:46
Speaker 9

the end of the month acceptable to get that answer back? Because, again, it is very broad. It is very wide ranging.

01:02:53
Speaker 12

Yeah. Be happy to look into that and then ultimately,

01:02:56
Speaker 12

add the language for the housing authority between now and and that first reading of the

01:03:01
Speaker 3

ordinance.

01:03:04
Speaker 9

K. So that would be my request is that this this get pushed back two weeks on the calendar

01:03:10
Speaker 9

with the first first reading to give legal enough time to to find that answer,

01:03:14
Speaker 9

And then everything else flow right past.

01:03:19
Speaker 3

You can do that.

01:03:22
Speaker 1

Further questions, comments?

01:03:25
Speaker 1

Seeing none, we'll entertain a motion. Motion by council member, Northland.

01:03:29
Speaker 1

Second by council member Johnson. Any further questions,

01:03:33
Speaker 1

comments?

01:03:34
Speaker 1

Seeing none, all in favor?

01:03:37
Speaker 9

One

01:03:39
Speaker 9

Just to clarify, we are making the motion and voting on

01:03:42
Speaker 9

four weeks down the road, not two weeks down the road.

01:03:45
Speaker 1

Yeah. Is that acceptable?

01:03:50
Speaker 9

The first, well,

01:03:52
Speaker 9

first reading being

01:03:54
Speaker 9

end of the month, give you month and time.

01:03:57
Speaker 3

So so is there any pressing projects that

01:04:01
Speaker 3

why did you pick the fourteenth?

01:04:04
Speaker 4

It's the next

01:04:05
Speaker 3

it's the first, mayor and council after. There's no pressing projects. There's no reason not to accommodate the question?

01:04:11
Speaker 3

No.

01:04:12
Speaker 3

And and does Joe, does, I mean, the housing authority pays pilot.

01:04:17
Speaker 3

What you you couldn't you couldn't

01:04:20
Speaker 3

secure the loan in the same way as you can private, you know, piece of property. So this I mean, I'm not even sure this fits.

01:04:27
Speaker 12

Need to look into it a little further. There is housing authorities that have used,

01:04:32
Speaker 12

CPACE loans. Okay. Now yeah. To your to your point, I don't I don't know What what does the lender do? They can't foreclose.

01:04:43
Speaker 12

Correct. Right. Yeah.

01:04:45
Speaker 3

So their whole purpose of the thing is to give security to the lender that they don't have in a stand alone mezzanine piece of debt. So I'm a little confused by how this could be used for the for the

01:04:55
Speaker 12

housing authority. And and I wanna look into further how

01:05:00
Speaker 12

other cities have utilized it with their housing authorities. Okay. I think there's been some creative ways they've they've utilized it, and I think it's probably worth looking into and getting an answer on. Okay. Yeah. Just a little confusing to me. Thank you.

01:05:18
Speaker 1

Alright. So we had a we had a motion by council member Northland.

01:05:22
Speaker 9

And do we have a second? Do I need to amend that emotion, or are we good on that motion? On the date. On the date. On the date. So you wanna move that to

01:05:30
Speaker 5

July 28.

01:05:32
Speaker 1

Twenty eighth? Okay. July 28.

01:05:36
Speaker 1

The second by I think it's the twenty fourth. Twenty fourth? That's yeah. '20. Twenty fourth. Thank you. July 24, second by council member

01:05:44
Speaker 1

Johnson.

01:05:46
Speaker 1

Any further discussion?

01:05:49
Speaker 1

Seeing none, all in favor?

01:05:53
Speaker 1

It's the twenty eighth. Alright. Okay. Alright. The twenty eighth. Twenty eighth. Okay. My apologies.

01:05:58
Speaker 1

Council member okay. We had a motion by council member Bartlett to move it to the twenty eighth. Second by council member Johnson.

01:06:05
Speaker 1

All in favor?

01:06:07
Speaker 1

Passes unanimously.

01:06:08
Speaker 1

Thank you very much.

01:06:10
Speaker 1

That concludes the committees of council. We'll entertain a motion for adjournment. Council member Johnson motion, second by council member Beeson. All in favor?

01:06:18
Speaker 1

And this meeting is adjourned. Have a great evening.

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