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Duration: 73 minutes

Speakers: 10

00:07
Speaker 1

I think that Puja and

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Speaker 1

Charles are coming. But since we have four, we'll just go on and get started. Do you recall, Angela, if they were I thought everyone had

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Speaker 1

it's okay. We'll just go on and get started.

00:34
Speaker 1

Okay. Okay.

00:37
Speaker 1

Okay. Good evening. This is Kitty Singleton. I'm calling the September 23 meeting of the Roswell Planning Commission

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Speaker 1

to order.

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Speaker 1

Planning commission members are residents of Roswell appointed by the mayor and city council. We're volunteers.

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Speaker 1

Planning commission is a recommending

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Speaker 1

body. I wanna thank Angela

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Speaker 1

Rambo and Jeanne Payton for getting us ready for the meeting tonight, preparing the materials.

01:00
Speaker 1

A copy of the agenda is at the back of the room for any residents that are here.

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Speaker 1

As we consider each item, staff will present the application along with their report and recommendations.

01:12
Speaker 1

After that presentation, planning commission may have questions for staff.

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Speaker 1

Then the applicant will come forward

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Speaker 1

and make a presentation. We'll have questions for the applicant. Then we may have more questions from staff. And then if there are any members of the public that are here, we'll hear from them at that time. If someone from the public is here, if you would please complete the card at the back, has your name and personal information, then hand that to Jeanne Payton when you come forward

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Speaker 1

to talk with us.

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Speaker 1

So

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Speaker 1

please silence your cell phones, and we'll get started.

01:54
Speaker 2

This is working. There it goes.

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Speaker 2

Good evening. I'm Jeannie Payton, planning and zoning director.

02:00
Speaker 2

Tonight's special call meeting is related to the Hill Street overlay district area a preliminary plat.

02:08
Speaker 2

The applicant is requesting the approval of the preliminary plat for the Hill Street overlay district area a.

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Speaker 2

It shows the Hill Street district overlay area both a and b.

02:21
Speaker 2

So, again, tonight's preliminary plat pertains to

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Speaker 2

A and

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Speaker 2

it is bounded by Atlanta Street and Ellis on the West and east and to the north.

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Speaker 2

It doesn't quite reach Oak Street, but Community Circle goes up into the

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Speaker 2

Here's a rendering of the building layout.

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Speaker 2

Actually

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Speaker 2

spun, so Hill Street is on the bottom here.

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Speaker 2

And, of course, it's to the north and then

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Speaker 2

the the multifamily development will be to the South side nearest to Oak.

03:04
Speaker 2

Have some

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Speaker 2

areas of the plat document that we reference back to.

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Speaker 2

Scroll through them slowly.

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Speaker 2

I'll point out for purpose of discussion

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Speaker 2

the townhomes while the footprints are showing

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Speaker 2

it is

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Speaker 2

The rendering of the development

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Speaker 2

from Hill Street.

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Speaker 3

Jeanne, could you,

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Speaker 1

move the microphone closer to yourself? Thanks.

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Speaker 2

The rendering of the development,

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Speaker 2

sitting at the city building, looking across Hill Street,

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Speaker 2

with the former police station being on your left, the multifamily street ahead,

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Speaker 2

Atlanta being on the right.

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Speaker 2

Rendering?

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Speaker 2

This is a slide that I have the next three slides kind of a discussion of the ownership.

04:11
Speaker 2

So right now, the developer owns

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Speaker 2

three parcels

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Speaker 2

on that Northwestern

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Speaker 2

corner. The city owns four parcels on to the Northeast and reaching to the South, and then there's a developer controlled parcel,

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Speaker 2

to the South nearest to Oak Street along Community Circle.

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Speaker 2

The proposed transaction

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Speaker 2

will

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Speaker 2

swap the land so that

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Speaker 2

up here to future ownership.

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Speaker 2

So

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Speaker 2

the swap includes that middle parcel,

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Speaker 2

and then eventually,

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Speaker 2

the city will own

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Speaker 2

the three parcels

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Speaker 2

on the western side, one parcel

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Speaker 2

on the eastern side, and the developer will control what is the multifamily

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Speaker 2

property.

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Speaker 2

Eventually,

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Speaker 2

the townhome properties will also be

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Speaker 2

sold off to that developer.

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Speaker 2

A preliminary plat

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Speaker 2

is an approximate drawing of a proposed subdivision showing the general layout of streets, alleys, lots, blocks, and other elements

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Speaker 2

of the subdivision consistent with the requirements of the UDC.

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Speaker 2

Preliminary plat shall furnish a furnish a basis for the approval or disapproval of the subdivision.

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Speaker 2

Upon approval of the preliminary plat, plans and specifications for the installation

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Speaker 2

required for a land disturbance permit

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Speaker 2

may be prepared and submitted. This is pursuant to section 13.8.

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Speaker 2

LDP review

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Speaker 2

is a land disturbance permit requiring,

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Speaker 2

It's required for land disturbance activity including, but not limited to, clearing, dredging, grading,

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Speaker 2

excavating, filling,

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Speaker 2

tree removal, storage, or transporting of material on or off-site. These are important distinctions as we work through the next few slides where we distinguish what's needed as we move forward.

06:11
Speaker 2

We have some slides on stormwater concept reviews, and we do have representatives

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Speaker 2

from many departments, including fire,

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Speaker 2

w,

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Speaker 2

engineering,

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Speaker 2

transportation,

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Speaker 2

who can fill in,

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Speaker 2

some of the questions that you have tonight.

06:29
Speaker 2

A stormwater concept plan is an initial plan for post construction stormwater management

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Speaker 2

at the site. It provides the groundwork for the stormwater management plan, including natural resources inventory,

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Speaker 2

site layout concept,

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Speaker 2

initial runoff characterization,

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Speaker 2

and the first round stormwater management system design.

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Speaker 2

The stormwater concept plan shall be prepared using the following steps.

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Speaker 2

Develop a site layout using better site design techniques as applicable.

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Speaker 2

Calculate the preliminary estimates of the unified stormwater sizing criteria requirements

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Speaker 2

for stormwater runoff quality reduction,

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Speaker 2

channel protection,

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Speaker 2

overbank flooding protection, and extreme flood flood protection,

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Speaker 2

and reform screening and preliminary selection of appropriate best management practices known as DMP,

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Speaker 2

identification

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Speaker 2

of potential siting.

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Speaker 2

This slide shows the areas that there are the proposed

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Speaker 2

stormwater

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Speaker 2

underground,

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Speaker 2

underground detention areas.

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Speaker 2

There are a few on Hill Rose Circle. It does

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Speaker 2

the oval Purple Oval doesn't kind of encompass at all. It it turns

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Speaker 2

and again on Community Circle.

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Speaker 2

That hatched area.

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Speaker 2

So staff recommended some modifications,

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Speaker 2

and we've broken them down in between final plat and,

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Speaker 2

LDP process.

08:09
Speaker 2

We've cleaned up some of the language based on some feedback that we have. We've provided you with documents with that cleaned up language and tried to clearly delineate what's final plat, what's land disturbance permit.

08:24
Speaker 2

Stop looking up and look down here.

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Speaker 2

So for the final plat, the following conditions

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Speaker 2

of final plat approval and are to be included in the final plat

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Speaker 2

for recording.

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Speaker 2

So the process will be preliminary plat approval,

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Speaker 2

then LDP,

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Speaker 2

then it goes to final plat for recording at the county. So these are for final plat. The dimensions of all easements shall be indicated.

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Speaker 2

All utilities shall be shown in an easement

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Speaker 2

should be shown in an easement shall be shown. That's bad language.

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Speaker 2

The center line of existing and proposed pavement shall be labeled.

09:02
Speaker 2

The provision for sewage disposal shall be provided.

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Speaker 2

The stormwater table indicating the existing proposed impervious area square footage for each lot shall be included.

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Speaker 2

The intersection

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Speaker 2

pavement, right of way radius,

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Speaker 2

all centerline curve data, and tangent data shall be included.

09:21
Speaker 2

The flood note has been updated to show FEMA community number

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Speaker 2

130088,

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Speaker 2

but the city's required flood note should provide the community panel number,

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Speaker 2

which is 13121C0063G.

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Speaker 2

Update the scale in the title block on sheets one,

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Speaker 2

two, and three, and the Fulton County health signature must be obtained.

09:52
Speaker 2

The staff recommended modifications

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Speaker 2

going into the LDP approval

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Speaker 2

are that all fees for removal of specimen trees shall be determined

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Speaker 2

during the land disturbance

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Speaker 2

permit process

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Speaker 2

and payment is required prior to the issuance of the land disturbance permit.

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Speaker 2

Locate the black backflow vault

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Speaker 2

past the meter vault and show connections of the six inch fire line that is to feed the townhomes.

10:22
Speaker 2

Provide the location of the existing eight inch water line that runs along Ellis Street.

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Speaker 2

Provide the eight inch water line from its connection on Oak Street.

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Speaker 2

Provide and show connection of the two vaults and the backflow vaults to the multifamily buildings that the line will serve.

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Speaker 2

No tie in of the two vaults to the eight inch public water

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Speaker 2

line.

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Speaker 2

Provide a utility easement

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Speaker 2

for the meter vault from the back of the right of way

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Speaker 2

all around the vault,

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Speaker 2

provide a meter and backflow for the two inch line

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Speaker 2

feeding the parking deck on the LDP and final plat prior to recording

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Speaker 2

as long as the eight inch line on Community Circle is to remain

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Speaker 2

as part of the public water system,

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Speaker 2

provide and show the connection for the meter vault to the public water system that is located at the corner of Hill And Ellis Street.

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Speaker 2

And provide the location of all valves where the vaults connected to the public water system.

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Speaker 2

A valve and plug shall be added to the end of the 12 inch line for future connection point.

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Speaker 2

Note number 12

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Speaker 2

shall be deleted

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Speaker 2

and replaced with the following. Note,

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Speaker 2

all sidewalks on all street frontages shall be maintained by the developer.

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Speaker 2

Number 13, on the LDP plans, please either meander the sidewalk around the fire hydrant that is shown along Atlanta Street, State Route 9 Trail, or relocate.

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Speaker 2

All utilities shall be identified either by called out or in a legend.

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Speaker 2

Indicate all

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Speaker 2

abandoned driveways

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Speaker 2

and ADA ramps

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Speaker 2

shall be closed with streetscape

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Speaker 2

that is to match the streetscape along that street, whether it is curb and gutter,

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Speaker 2

grass strip, trail, or sidewalk.

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Speaker 2

All private streets shall meet public street standards.

12:25
Speaker 2

All road profiles

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Speaker 2

shall be updated

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Speaker 2

and completed.

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Speaker 2

Profile slope,

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Speaker 2

tangent lines are connected by curve and k values.

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Speaker 2

The piping along Ellis

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Speaker 2

in close proximity to

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Speaker 2

T H Number four townhome

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Speaker 2

must be relocated 10 feet from the foundation edge of the building.

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Speaker 2

If this is not possible option, a structural engineer or geotechnical engineer must certify the placement of the pipe in close proximity,

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Speaker 2

will not impact the structural integrity of the building foundation.

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Speaker 2

That same pipe must be located 10 feet from the right of way. The dedicated

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Speaker 2

dedication

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Speaker 2

of an easement in the right of way will not work for the stormwater division.

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Speaker 2

Lesser clearance could be approved

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Speaker 2

upon an agreement with EPW.

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Speaker 2

A 10 foot easement

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Speaker 2

from the right of way line along Hill Street

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Speaker 2

must be met under

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Speaker 2

around the underground attention.

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Speaker 2

The recommendation is to eliminate one leg of pipe, extend the other leg longer

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Speaker 2

along Hill Street, and move the pipe inwards to satisfy that requirement.

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Speaker 2

All utilities and related easements should be shown.

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Speaker 2

The centerline of existing and proposed pavement shall be labeled.

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Speaker 1

The last two comment I'm sorry. Before we go any further, my document only has 21 points.

14:00
Speaker 1

So I think we're missing number 17 on the document that I have. Your all roads shall be updated and completed.

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Speaker 1

Apologize. It's okay. I just wanted to

14:10
Speaker 1

It's possible. No. They're having some Yeah. Facing problems around the Boswell logo, so I am not surprised if it doesn't. So you'll know what we're coming back to. So we're missing number 17 on this slide. Okay. I just wanted to do do that while we had it in front of us. Alright. I'm sorry. No. That that's the complete list. The final list that you all received,

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Speaker 2

was advisory comments. Okay. These comments come from the staff comments that are included in your packet and was included in the update.

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Speaker 2

The idea was to take the language that's from each of the review staff. It's not natural language for all of us, and, you know, I'm sure there are questions that you might have related to that that can be answered.

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Speaker 2

Answered, but the idea was not to

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Speaker 2

change that language too much from what the staff had recommended.

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Speaker 2

I think you'll notice the only other update is we kind of took off the language that said at ALDP,

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Speaker 2

at final plat, and kept them clearly under

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Speaker 2

a

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Speaker 2

or

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Speaker 2

b.

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Speaker 2

Do you have any questions of me?

15:21
Speaker 1

Eric?

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Speaker 4

Yes. Eric Schumacher.

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Speaker 4

Do we have a requirement for a preliminary plat to have something from Fulton County Health Department?

15:32
Speaker 2

We do ask that there's an indication

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Speaker 2

at preliminary plat from Fulton County Health, and that was not able to be achieved for

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Speaker 4

this document. Okay. Is that something that we want to ensure we get before LDP?

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Speaker 2

I think it's covered in these conditions,

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Speaker 2

and we're satisfied staff satisfied with that.

15:53
Speaker 4

So this, kinda leads me into,

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Speaker 4

if there's infrastructure sufficiency

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Speaker 4

for things like sewer from Fulton County.

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Speaker 4

And so that would be significant for me, and I guess that happens during land disturbance.

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Speaker 2

We can add it to the land disturbance permit process

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Speaker 2

to ensure that it's,

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Speaker 2

you know,

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Speaker 2

we're notified of it ahead of the final plan. Okay. Thank you.

16:27
Speaker 1

Is there any other questions for staff right now?

16:30
Speaker 1

Alright. Thank you, Jeanie.

16:38
Speaker 1

The applicant

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Speaker 1

like to make a

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Speaker 5

presentation.

16:46
Speaker 5

Hello.

16:46
Speaker 5

My name is Almarie Brennan. I'm with Kimberly Horn. I am the record civil engineer for this project.

16:53
Speaker 5

Thank you for a great presentation.

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Speaker 5

Don't have much else to add on top of that. I will just note,

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Speaker 5

we do have capacity approval from Fulton County Sewer. They wanted to review the plans before providing signatures on the plot documents, but we did make sure to get that early

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Speaker 5

to answer any questions,

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Speaker 5

you may have as well.

17:34
Speaker 1

Anyone have any questions for the applicant right now?

17:38
Speaker 1

We have a lot of city staff here. I think it might be helpful for us to ask them some questions and then come back to you if that's okay. Alright. Thank you. Because that might

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Speaker 3

alright.

17:53
Speaker 1

Let's hear from fire first.

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Speaker 6

Berkshire with the City of Roswell Fire Department.

18:06
Speaker 6

May I have some questions for you on this project?

18:08
Speaker 1

Yes. We do. Eric?

18:11
Speaker 4

Yes. Eric Schumacher. Thank you.

18:14
Speaker 4

Because we have the multifamily

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Speaker 4

buildings,

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Speaker 4

in the center, and it looks like a pretty pretty dense

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Speaker 4

development.

18:21
Speaker 4

We have

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Speaker 4

what looks like fire lane through through most of the private streets,

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Speaker 4

and I'm assuming no parking as well. But it it did strike me that we have

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Speaker 4

limited aerial access,

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Speaker 4

from the streets where we might sometimes

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Speaker 4

see,

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Speaker 4

secondary entrance around the back or a secondary secondary

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Speaker 4

street or or fire access. And on this on this plan, we do see that they have sprinkler system,

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Speaker 4

you know,

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Speaker 4

specified.

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Speaker 4

And,

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Speaker 4

you know, we have, you know, the limited aerial off the street, and then the remainder of it looks like it's only

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Speaker 4

by foot. And so I I just wanted to hear,

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Speaker 4

from from Roswell Fire,

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Speaker 4

about

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Speaker 4

how

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Speaker 4

you've reviewed this and and what we have in place is,

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Speaker 4

absolutely safe for our future residents.

19:12
Speaker 6

Absolutely. So code allows some exceptions for the, the sprinkler system to extend that. You're talking about the access all the way around the building. So we're allowed to do that with the addition of the sprinkler systems, and then we've gone through and mapped out the road, checked the width, and made sure we had the proper height for for ladders and the right width so we could set everything up and, get the required access around the building.

19:34
Speaker 4

And so you you feel that,

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Speaker 4

the kind of activity we'll have at this development

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Speaker 4

with the parking deck being potentially

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Speaker 4

partially public. We have, you know, hope hoping for a very vibrant,

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Speaker 4

you know, shopping area and restaurants

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Speaker 4

and,

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Speaker 4

unknown

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Speaker 4

amount of drop off traffic, etcetera.

19:58
Speaker 4

Do you do you feel that,

20:00
Speaker 4

these streets,

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Speaker 4

will be perfectly safe for for fire trucks to come through at any time

20:06
Speaker 4

as long as we're marking

20:08
Speaker 4

all of them, I guess? No parking or no stopping?

20:11
Speaker 6

Absolutely. Those streets should meet all the requirements that are set forth. And on top of that, I believe most of those buildings are sprinkled, which also help reduce some of that risk and and the need for that. Well Right. And I didn't I didn't really see on our site plan where we have dumpsters. I think I might have identified in one area, but it might have been a little bit unsure what we were doing for,

20:32
Speaker 4

you know,

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Speaker 4

garbage trucks and things like that and how it might impact, I guess, at certain times, you know, access because those trucks

20:40
Speaker 4

may need to back up into things and block some streets and stuff like that to get a dumpsters. And so do are you aware where those dumpsters are gonna be located? I am not.

20:50
Speaker 6

Okay. But typically, though, we have stuff for our fire department access. If we have a road longer than a 150 feet, they've gotta be able to turn around. So we've tried to loop that they tried to loop the system, so there's no turnarounds needed for us back there.

21:02
Speaker 4

Okay.

21:03
Speaker 4

And then I did see a section of notes on, I guess, page 12 of the plan set,

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Speaker 4

from from the fire marshal. And,

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Speaker 4

I think item 16 indicated,

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Speaker 4

they wanted to see radiuses of 50 feet and,

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Speaker 4

outside radius of 50 feet. And I did note that the radius

21:21
Speaker 4

off of Hill Rose,

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Speaker 4

coming around that turn there had had a different designation on that radius. And I wanted to know if that's something you noticed and that's something that's gonna get cleared up or or is that meeting your requirements?

21:34
Speaker 6

It is meeting the requirements. Typically, we ask for 15. Because of the terrain topography layout of this, we're able to adjust that based off what the city of Roswell has as far as their apparatus that are responding.

21:44
Speaker 4

Okay. Great. Thank you.

21:46
Speaker 1

Alright.

21:48
Speaker 1

Any other questions for fire?

21:50
Speaker 1

Alright. Thank

21:52
Speaker 1

you.

21:54
Speaker 1

We have some stormwater

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Speaker 1

questions as well.

22:05
Speaker 7

Brian Watson, director of environmental public works.

22:08
Speaker 1

Can you tell us about what the stormwater plan is for the parcel?

22:13
Speaker 7

Stormwater concept plan or stormwater plan?

22:15
Speaker 7

So the stormwater concept plan, the main thing that we're looking at is that

22:21
Speaker 7

applicant is

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Speaker 7

addressing or looking at and thinking about, the water quality requirements that will be needed,

22:28
Speaker 7

requirements that are gonna be needed.

22:31
Speaker 7

Not gonna be any sort

22:33
Speaker 7

sort of practice that's in place that

22:38
Speaker 7

primary thing is that we're looking at and making sure

22:42
Speaker 7

of the calculations. We don't have the exact

22:51
Speaker 1

Eric, do you have a question?

22:53
Speaker 4

Yeah. Eric Schumer. I'm not sure we were getting all of that,

22:57
Speaker 4

in on the mic. It was cutting in and out for me.

23:01
Speaker 4

Maybe just maybe lean forward a little bit.

23:04
Speaker 4

So I I noticed that we have a lot of underground,

23:07
Speaker 4

detention.

23:09
Speaker 4

And,

23:10
Speaker 4

I don't do we know at this point,

23:12
Speaker 4

is it primarily going to be underground detention or are we routing that water,

23:18
Speaker 4

somewhere else?

23:19
Speaker 4

The majority of the stormwater management will be underground detention. Okay. And is that the majority of that underground detention on private property or is any of it on public property?

23:29
Speaker 7

It's all on private property. Okay.

23:32
Speaker 4

Is is,

23:33
Speaker 4

underground detention under public streets

23:36
Speaker 4

optional in the city of Roswell? Is it possible?

23:47
Speaker 7

That's kind of

23:48
Speaker 7

a double edged sword on the question. Is it possible? Yes. Have we accepted or approved it? No.

23:57
Speaker 7

Under a private if it's under a public street, then it would have to be public infrastructure

24:03
Speaker 7

not taking over any of this

24:09
Speaker 4

Okay. It's it's my understanding that it is possible. I just kinda wanna call it out if we end up not having enough space for our for our stormwater management, I believe, according to our

24:19
Speaker 4

own own code.

24:21
Speaker 4

So

24:22
Speaker 7

Go ahead. I'm gonna clarify. Sure. It's possible we don't allow it.

24:27
Speaker 7

So that that's the reason I asked that question because it it could be under there. But right now, there is nothing that we have allowed within the city

24:34
Speaker 7

underground detention under a public road.

24:37
Speaker 4

Yeah. Okay. We we've never done it. Correct. We haven't talked about it for this project.

24:42
Speaker 4

But it is technically possible. We just haven't allowed it yet.

24:46
Speaker 4

Thank you.

24:49
Speaker 7

Make sure I was clear. Sorry. Absolutely. That was great. Do you have any other questions? I guess,

24:54
Speaker 4

on the drawings, we didn't we we typically get

24:58
Speaker 4

some level of a stormwater drawing,

25:00
Speaker 4

and a preliminary plot. We didn't get one of those here. It's kinda looks like it's combined with some other things. So we tried very hard to see where that water was going. It it looked to me that in one area,

25:10
Speaker 4

maybe off of Hill Rose Circle, that we were gonna be connecting to potentially an existing pipe,

25:16
Speaker 4

running along someone else's property,

25:19
Speaker 4

and we weren't really sure whose property that was. On the on the drawing that I had, it said, you know, formerly or now City of Roswell, but I'm not aware that the City of Roswell owns that property.

25:29
Speaker 4

Are we

25:30
Speaker 4

and there was no easement marked. So I didn't know

25:33
Speaker 4

if you had seen that area or aware of it,

25:36
Speaker 4

where we're running towards,

25:38
Speaker 4

I guess, Highway 9

25:40
Speaker 4

off of, maybe Hill Row Circle.

25:44
Speaker 7

Yeah. I can't think of the exact pipe, but basically, in the LDP process, that will be part of the hydrology report that the

25:52
Speaker 7

they'll have to look at what the impacts are, and they'll have to show that the downstream pipe can actually handle

25:58
Speaker 7

the incoming

25:59
Speaker 7

Right. And have to show that. We do expect,

26:02
Speaker 4

from this property any water

26:05
Speaker 4

that we are

26:07
Speaker 4

that is going off property

26:09
Speaker 4

to be piped underground, or will,

26:13
Speaker 4

some of it be or,

26:15
Speaker 4

anything we're controlling, say, is part of the system.

26:20
Speaker 4

It is gonna be, underground

26:23
Speaker 4

to other stormwater piping that we have in the city of Roswell down to

26:27
Speaker 7

the river. Yeah. Any of the stormwater pipe that's gonna leave the property will,

26:32
Speaker 7

I'd have to verify this. I think it will all go into city pipe. I don't know if

26:37
Speaker 7

there's,

26:38
Speaker 7

another option that, that the applicant has. But, yes, it would any of the stormwater management practices would have to connect to downstream pipe. Okay. We'd have to show that that pipe meets the capacity.

26:48
Speaker 4

Okay. And would the city of Roswell be responsible for any upgrades to the piping off of this property to meet the requirements of this property?

26:57
Speaker 4

Not that I'm aware of. So if we had to replace a stormwater pipe off of this property to allow for sufficient

27:04
Speaker 4

infrastructure sufficiency for the stormwater,

27:06
Speaker 4

this developer would would be covering the cost? You have to cover the cost. Correct. Great. Thank you.

27:13
Speaker 1

Thank are there any other questions for Stormwater?

27:16
Speaker 1

Thank you.

27:22
Speaker 1

Do we have any other questions for staff?

27:24
Speaker 8

Transportation.

27:33
Speaker 9

Greg Nicholas, interim director of transportation.

27:37
Speaker 1

Questions?

27:38
Speaker 1

Eric?

27:41
Speaker 4

Okay.

27:42
Speaker 4

We did we did have a pre meeting with staff yesterday. We did cover a lot of things that a couple of us, Katie and I. So, some of these questions did did come up then. I'm just mentioning it for transparency.

27:53
Speaker 4

So

27:54
Speaker 4

one of the things I'm have have already raised were were were I guess I was a little concerned or, you know, I'd like to have a special focus on what we're doing,

28:03
Speaker 4

as far as,

28:05
Speaker 4

interior parking,

28:07
Speaker 4

you know, and how that might be

28:09
Speaker 4

blocking traffic or

28:12
Speaker 4

maybe some of our other,

28:13
Speaker 4

members here have concerns about things like pickup and drop off.

28:18
Speaker 4

I'm actually,

28:19
Speaker 4

interested in hearing about,

28:22
Speaker 4

what you've looked at for ingress and egress from

28:26
Speaker 4

Community Circle onto Alice and and Hill Rose

28:30
Speaker 4

onto

28:31
Speaker 4

Hill Street.

28:32
Speaker 4

Because today, it looks like you can take a left out of both of those on, streets onto Hill or onto Ellis.

28:40
Speaker 4

And I was just wondering if that might add to,

28:44
Speaker 4

the potential

28:45
Speaker 4

congestion or other issues.

28:47
Speaker 4

So if you could speak to

28:50
Speaker 9

Yeah. The traffic study that was done for this development,

28:54
Speaker 9

did look at all the I think it's five access points,

28:58
Speaker 9

and all of them,

29:01
Speaker 9

along Hill Street and then then the three along Ellis and then the one off Oak. They're all acceptable level of service,

29:08
Speaker 9

as they're currently proposed with one lane in, one lane out.

29:15
Speaker 4

What what is your plan or what is the plan for this development

29:19
Speaker 4

when it comes to ride share drop offs and pickups?

29:23
Speaker 4

Because it doesn't look like we have,

29:25
Speaker 4

parallel,

29:27
Speaker 4

parking anywhere on Hill Street.

29:30
Speaker 4

It's all nose in, and it looks to me like any pickup or drop off is gonna end up blocking traffic.

29:37
Speaker 9

That would probably be a question for the developer. I'm not aware of any zones or anything that have been identified

29:44
Speaker 9

for

29:49
Speaker 8

Assistant city attorney. Attorney. So as part of this deal, there is gonna be in the parking deck, there's gonna be a a valet service,

29:57
Speaker 8

that is proposed. So

29:59
Speaker 8

pick up, drop off will be through that through that area. That's already for valet.

30:04
Speaker 8

It's gonna be

30:06
Speaker 8

off. So that's already been contemplated and

30:10
Speaker 8

planned for. I'm looking at see roughly the corner where the proposed parking deck is on

30:18
Speaker 8

the interior portion between Building F and Building G,

30:22
Speaker 8

so that's envisioned to be a valet stand.

30:26
Speaker 8

Thank you for that. I actually meant, say, ride share pickup and drop off. That would be there as well. So ride share pickup, all those things coming through that corner. So that's that's what's currently envisioned right now.

30:38
Speaker 4

So I guess I was trying to follow along. You're gonna have,

30:42
Speaker 4

Uber, Lyft, etcetera,

30:45
Speaker 4

driving through the development and into the parking deck area

30:50
Speaker 8

only? They can drop off really wherever they they want, but

30:55
Speaker 8

that's what's envisioned as where people can come in or park their car, drop off. I mean, you could

31:02
Speaker 8

pick Uber pretty frequently. I could drop off on Ellis Street if I wanted to. I could set it for

31:07
Speaker 8

Hill. I could set it for City Hall. So I don't I don't foresee that being a

31:14
Speaker 4

Right. Yeah. I guess I'm just wanting to understand how the traffic was envisioned to flow. We we don't have, say, a traffic circle at at, Hill And Alice, which would be nice. It would allow for very quick in and out for

31:28
Speaker 4

ride share, you know, if we had, you know, in the future at some point. It's not not something we're looking at today, you know, for this plenary plat.

31:36
Speaker 4

But, I'm concerned about ensuring that we have a very vibrant community. And

31:41
Speaker 4

if the ingress, egress on this is difficult, like some of our our other blighted shopping centers,

31:48
Speaker 4

you know, it could limit its success. So I'm I'm very interested in ensuring and and hearing

31:53
Speaker 4

that we really planned out very smooth and efficient,

31:58
Speaker 4

you know, traffic flows for there and and the kind of traffic flow we have today, which is a lot of lot of Uber, yeah,

32:05
Speaker 4

And this kind of a thing. So we don't have,

32:09
Speaker 4

parking on Ellis. I think that's all Fire Lane now,

32:13
Speaker 4

down down past

32:15
Speaker 4

the townhouses.

32:18
Speaker 4

So I'm I'm not really sure what people are gonna be doing with their, you know, the Uber and everybody waiting

32:25
Speaker 4

somewhere.

32:26
Speaker 4

I guess, maybe that'd be partially at at City Hall and they're and they're coming out of City Hall and, you you know, getting on Hill Street maybe and trying to get back, you know,

32:36
Speaker 4

eastbound on Hill Street.

32:39
Speaker 4

You know, I'm just

32:40
Speaker 4

I'm not real it's not really clear to me that this is the per the perfect solution. It is a solution, and I think it probably meets all the requirements. But I just wanted to highlight that for everybody. I I think the hope is that everyone comes and pays for parking because there's a rental car.

32:54
Speaker 8

So that that would be the hope.

32:57
Speaker 1

I think some of the concern also comes from just the amount number of cars through here when this is so tight and this is the fire access. So I can envision a busy Friday night with lots of

33:07
Speaker 1

Ubers and Lyfts waiting on people, dropping people off, and then a fire truck needs to come through. And cars are just stopped in front of the multifamily because they're waiting for somebody. And that's my concern about the traffic flow is that it would be so congested in here, it would no longer be safe for emergency vehicles, ambulances included.

33:24
Speaker 1

And so I think that's where maybe some of this is coming from. Is that correct? Carol, did you have a

33:29
Speaker 3

Yes. Carol Williams.

33:31
Speaker 3

Yeah. I was particularly concerned about the multifamily

33:35
Speaker 3

that with the parking deck being so far away from the actual

33:40
Speaker 3

units

33:41
Speaker 3

that where is there a place for someone to come drop off their groceries,

33:46
Speaker 3

pick up a family member,

33:49
Speaker 3

where would,

33:51
Speaker 3

Amazon Park? Where would any of the delivery companies? I mean,

33:56
Speaker 3

I just can't envision them at all going to the valet spot that's, like, a block away

34:02
Speaker 3

to come make all their deliveries.

34:04
Speaker 3

So

34:06
Speaker 3

where would that be

34:08
Speaker 3

for the multifamily?

34:13
Speaker 9

I mean, that's for them to determine within the development.

34:17
Speaker 9

That's

34:18
Speaker 1

Well, I guess, in in a perfect world, this would all work. But realistically,

34:22
Speaker 1

maybe this would be a good time for the applicant to come share their perspective on where all those vehicles are gonna go. Yeah.

34:29
Speaker 4

Mhmm. If you don't mind, I'd like to ask one more question Okay. In transportation.

34:33
Speaker 4

Could could you clarify where,

34:35
Speaker 4

Community Circle is public and where it will end up being private?

34:40
Speaker 4

And do we have any other streets in the city of Roswell that are half public and half private?

34:52
Speaker 9

I believe

34:59
Speaker 9

public up to

35:01
Speaker 9

I mean,

35:03
Speaker 9

it

35:03
Speaker 9

plan.

35:07
Speaker 9

Like, it's where the sidewalk does tie in.

35:10
Speaker 9

It's public at least up till there.

35:16
Speaker 9

I'm not aware of too many

35:18
Speaker 9

roads that are half public, half private, and

35:21
Speaker 9

I'm sure something exists out there. But

35:26
Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you.

35:28
Speaker 4

One more question.

35:29
Speaker 4

I think,

35:30
Speaker 4

as as part of the overlay discussion, we heard that, this, developer may need to do some developments on,

35:37
Speaker 4

developer may need to do some developments on,

35:40
Speaker 4

Oak Street.

35:41
Speaker 4

And I don't know if that needed to be included in the preliminary plat or if that's completely

35:47
Speaker 4

separate from the preliminary plat, but there I think there was something around a

35:52
Speaker 4

a crosswalk.

35:55
Speaker 4

Maybe,

35:57
Speaker 1

maybe legal has has something. Right. It was a 10 foot multi use trail on Oak Street. It was in the overlay.

36:05
Speaker 4

If it's not ringing a bell, I guess we'll we'll we'll have to take a look while somebody else is talking and see if that's something.

36:14
Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you.

36:23
Speaker 5

Hello. Almery Brennan again.

36:25
Speaker 5

Just to speak to the multifamily

36:28
Speaker 5

loading drop off,

36:30
Speaker 5

obviously, there's a lot on this plat document, so things are kind of overlapping here.

36:34
Speaker 5

And

36:35
Speaker 5

also, while this plat was being generated, the discussions around the existing water tower were ongoing.

36:42
Speaker 5

We now understand that the water tower is to be decommissioned.

36:45
Speaker 5

So kind of that,

36:47
Speaker 5

triangle area where the Multifamily East Building starts to turn in,

36:52
Speaker 5

is now gonna be public publicly accessible park space that's gonna

36:57
Speaker 5

have loading zones,

37:00
Speaker 5

along the community circle extension to the north.

37:04
Speaker 5

So there will be one loading zone up at the north end of the Multifamily East Building,

37:10
Speaker 5

specifically

37:11
Speaker 5

for package delivery Amazon truck.

37:14
Speaker 5

That would be signed and dedicated for deliveries only.

37:18
Speaker 5

And then there would be another two spaces

37:22
Speaker 5

towards the south end of the Multifamily East Building,

37:25
Speaker 5

which would be designated for resident move in.

37:29
Speaker 5

The

37:30
Speaker 5

move in and and service elevator would be located at the south end of that building as well.

37:35
Speaker 5

So again, temporary, you know, we'd have

37:37
Speaker 5

signage with,

37:39
Speaker 5

time limits for the amount of time a car or van can park there.

37:44
Speaker 5

But we have added some additional spaces along that western,

37:48
Speaker 5

edge of community circle for those services.

37:51
Speaker 1

What about for just daily deliveries? You know, their grocery delivery, those things. Would they have to park in the deck?

37:57
Speaker 5

So the,

37:59
Speaker 5

assumption is that, yes, the multifamily residents would all be parking in that deck.

38:04
Speaker 5

Again,

38:05
Speaker 5

line work overlapping. There's an aerial bridge that connects,

38:09
Speaker 5

each of the upper levels of the parking deck with the multifamily building.

38:12
Speaker 1

So everywhere you park, you're really only walking the distance from your car on that floor Right. To the bridge. And I understand that. And, certainly, we hope that everyone that lives in the multifamily will eat at these restaurants, but they may order food deliveries and grocery deliveries. So there's a I mean, even in my neighborhood, there's a constant stream of cars dropping in

38:32
Speaker 1

driveways, at my house even,

38:34
Speaker 1

dropping things off on a regular basis, and this will be hundreds of people getting regular deliveries in the evening.

38:40
Speaker 1

And

38:42
Speaker 1

I don't believe

38:43
Speaker 1

those cars will go park in the deck and then walk it back over. So just realistically,

38:48
Speaker 1

for the reality we're gonna live in,

38:51
Speaker 1

what will happen? Are those cars just gonna queue up right in the street? And then will it be safe for emergency vehicles if we have

38:58
Speaker 1

which I imagine in the evenings, there will be delivery vehicles just queued up along

39:02
Speaker 1

the street. Is that we have an unsafe situation.

39:05
Speaker 5

Right. So right now, the package and delivery loading spaces up at the north end of the multifamily East building has been sized to accommodate two trucks.

39:14
Speaker 5

If there is a number that,

39:17
Speaker 5

staff is looking for for us to hit in terms of a queuing length

39:20
Speaker 5

for,

39:21
Speaker 1

passenger cars for those types of food deliveries, we'd certainly be willing to look at that and add some more. I would just like to make sure we thought it through because I don't want to get to a situation we have a problem here and then it's not fixable. So it's possible there's enough space, but I would like to make sure.

39:36
Speaker 1

That would be helpful what that queuing length would be relative to the Amazon trucks. Right. And not only multifamily East, but what about multifamily

39:43
Speaker 3

West?

39:47
Speaker 3

That can have some queuing

39:49
Speaker 5

as well? Yeah. So those,

39:51
Speaker 5

those residents, again, would have access through again, there's a bridge connecting the two buildings. They could get out that way

39:58
Speaker 5

or,

39:58
Speaker 5

over to Hill Rose Circle

40:01
Speaker 5

to the north there. You can see there's some, head in parking

40:04
Speaker 5

down in that area,

40:06
Speaker 5

which is intended for the building a office, but certainly after hours that parking would be available to the multifamily residents and any deliveries they may be making. So is there anywhere

40:16
Speaker 1

on the West Building where there could be a couple of spots allocated for some kind of

40:21
Speaker 1

delivery queuing, or there's no space over there for that?

40:24
Speaker 5

We would probably need to speak with fire about that right now. We've had the road set and clear between that

40:31
Speaker 5

emergency access lane on the north side of the multifamily

40:34
Speaker 5

building for,

40:36
Speaker 5

primary aerial access.

40:38
Speaker 5

So we wouldn't really want cars loading up in that area, and blocking their access, but we could certainly

40:43
Speaker 5

discuss with them,

40:45
Speaker 5

or maybe designate, you know, one or two of those

40:48
Speaker 5

surface parking spaces

40:50
Speaker 1

over off of Hill Rose. Well, I just wanna prepare for what's actually going to happen. That if cars are lined up there along that West Building, is that gonna create an unsafe situation? And if it is, we need to think it through now because it will be too late. Yep. Later.

41:03
Speaker 1

Understood.

41:04
Speaker 1

So since you're standing here Sure. The 10 foot multiuse trail on Oak Street, the developer will the it's not platted. Should that be platted now, Jeanne, or is that something that will be done later?

41:19
Speaker 2

Transportation might be able to clarify this answer, but

41:22
Speaker 2

this development doesn't

41:24
Speaker 2

touch Oak Street.

41:26
Speaker 2

Right. And therefore, it's not part of this development.

41:30
Speaker 1

Right. But the developer is required to put the 10 foot in on Oak Street and the overlay is what it says. That was for part b.

41:38
Speaker 8

That should be the part two of the, I guess,

41:42
Speaker 8

Crossing Hill.

41:44
Speaker 8

Okay. Yeah. So that's that wouldn't fall on this developer. It would be for any future development that Okay. That falls into that townhome.

41:52
Speaker 1

Okay.

41:53
Speaker 1

Thank you. Sorry.

41:59
Speaker 4

I have another question. Okay.

42:01
Speaker 4

Just out of curiosity, it

42:03
Speaker 4

doesn't have anything to do with the, preliminary plat, but, are we do we have elevators in both the multifamily buildings?

42:09
Speaker 4

Yes. Okay. And, what is the plan for accessible parking for these two buildings?

42:15
Speaker 5

All of the assess accessible multifamily parking is located in the parking deck.

42:20
Speaker 5

Again, the deck has would be designed to accommodate both van and standard ADA parking.

42:26
Speaker 5

The office buildings all have ADA parking,

42:29
Speaker 5

and the retail,

42:31
Speaker 5

there's ADA

42:32
Speaker 5

on Hill Street in those angled spaces, and then again south of Building A. Okay. And is there, an elevator in the parking deck? Yes. Okay. Great. Thank

42:43
Speaker 4

you.

42:48
Speaker 3

Sarah Williams again.

42:49
Speaker 3

I know the townhome

42:51
Speaker 3

isn't platted yet,

42:53
Speaker 3

but that's for another time, but

42:55
Speaker 3

same parking issues for that situation as well, for the deliveries for FedEx, for UPS, for Amazon.

43:04
Speaker 5

So, yeah, the townhomes all have a two car garage.

43:08
Speaker 5

We intend that their visitor parking, again, would would be part of the deck. Any of their deliveries would need to be off of Community Circle or Ellis as, you know, a single family development would be.

43:20
Speaker 3

But where they're located, I just don't see

43:23
Speaker 3

that that's what would happen in reality.

43:25
Speaker 3

They're not gonna park a block away to come make a delivery

43:30
Speaker 4

to the town. Yeah. Is is Alice going to be,

43:33
Speaker 4

no parking

43:34
Speaker 4

on that side of the street in front of the townhomes?

43:38
Speaker 5

We're not dedicating any additional right of way for street parking on the West Side Of Ellis.

43:42
Speaker 4

So is it going to be marked red as a fire lane in front

43:46
Speaker 4

of the townhomes?

43:48
Speaker 5

We can certainly add that if that's a request from fire.

43:52
Speaker 5

We are not modifying any of

43:55
Speaker 5

the curbing on Ellis Street as it stands today.

43:58
Speaker 4

So, okay. I guess that's a that that's something to maybe bring up with transportation. I'm curious because it is marked on these on these drawings as

44:07
Speaker 4

as spiraling.

44:09
Speaker 4

It's at least that was my understanding. I could I could be mistaken. Can you clarify then for Hill Road Circle and,

44:16
Speaker 4

Community Circle

44:18
Speaker 4

if we will have any street parking

44:21
Speaker 4

available, or is it all marked no parking?

44:24
Speaker 5

All sides. All be marked no parking fire lane. Thank you.

44:36
Speaker 1

A question?

44:37
Speaker 4

Because what what is the plan for,

44:40
Speaker 4

deliveries for the if we have restaurants?

44:43
Speaker 4

Because those can happen at odd times and they are large trucks.

44:47
Speaker 5

The primary loading for the retail buildings happens at commercial B or Building B.

44:54
Speaker 5

There's

44:55
Speaker 5

dumpster access there that's located interior to the building as well as loading,

45:00
Speaker 5

so that's why we've sized that turnaround area for trucks to exit and egress,

45:05
Speaker 5

on Hill Rose Circle back out onto Hill Street.

45:09
Speaker 4

So if a 24 foot truck was delivering for thirty minutes, where would it be?

45:17
Speaker 5

We would we would have it back into the Building B Loading Dock area.

45:22
Speaker 4

And so that that is a deep loading dock on Building B? I don't have the exact dimensions, but Okay. There is loading in Building B. So so that is location for all of these buildings for drop off?

45:36
Speaker 4

For the commercial uses. Yes. So it it's I guess, I have no idea what are what's in some of these buildings. But if there's

45:43
Speaker 4

Building

45:44
Speaker 4

F and that's a restaurant,

45:47
Speaker 4

you drop off in Building B and cart it

45:51
Speaker 4

through

45:52
Speaker 4

the main

45:54
Speaker 5

courtyard area That would be the intent. Into

45:58
Speaker 4

I hope not through the front door, but some kind of side door.

46:02
Speaker 5

Yeah. The the southern side is primarily for,

46:06
Speaker 5

you know, loading and trash Okay. Service out of the buildings. And so we might be bringing trash through the courtyard area to get to the dumpster as well? No. It would all be routed exterior. We've we've, the sidewalk that runs on the south side would be

46:21
Speaker 5

the intended path for that. Obviously, we can't control every user's day to day operations, but that's been the intent is to not have them route through the center courtyard.

46:30
Speaker 4

And what is the sidewalk material, and how wide are those sidewalks to get around,

46:36
Speaker 4

that interior street to the dumpster area?

46:39
Speaker 5

I believe those are five foot sidewalks, and then it expands to an eight foot along Building B. What kind of material is the sidewalk made out of? All concrete. All concrete. No no block or anything?

46:51
Speaker 5

I think there might be, paver banding

46:54
Speaker 5

on the edges of it, just for aesthetics, but it's primarily concrete.

46:59
Speaker 4

Thank you.

47:04
Speaker 1

Other questions?

47:07
Speaker 1

Thank you.

47:22
Speaker 4

Can we get transportation?

47:24
Speaker 1

Yes.

47:30
Speaker 4

Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Can you clarify

47:33
Speaker 4

on,

47:34
Speaker 4

the curb

47:35
Speaker 4

in front of that that townhome parcel if that will be no parking and if it'll be marked as such?

47:47
Speaker 9

I think it will be signed for no parking, but they they will not be, will not be painted for fire.

47:55
Speaker 4

Okay. Is that is that normal? I guess I just have to ask.

48:00
Speaker 4

Is that optional? Is it something you do?

48:02
Speaker 9

I mean, the fire department would determine whether they need it to be fire only.

48:08
Speaker 9

But from transportation's perspective,

48:11
Speaker 9

we don't want parking along there, but it I mean, at the same

48:19
Speaker 9

time, I would say deliveries could happen, like Amazon, that type of stuff.

48:23
Speaker 9

I mean, it happens on other streets throughout the city.

48:27
Speaker 9

So

48:28
Speaker 9

I don't foresee that being a problem. Hill Street or Ellis Street isn't

48:32
Speaker 9

a large volume of traffic. So

48:35
Speaker 4

I'm aware that

48:36
Speaker 4

some of the parking in this area will be converted to paid parking.

48:42
Speaker 4

Are you aware,

48:43
Speaker 4

in transportation

48:44
Speaker 4

of any plans for

48:46
Speaker 4

patrolling or

48:48
Speaker 4

enforcing, etcetera, now that we'll have the parking deck and other paid parking spots along this area?

48:54
Speaker 9

I am not familiar with the paid

48:58
Speaker 4

parking.

48:59
Speaker 4

It would be legal coming up.

49:03
Speaker 8

Yes. So we will be patrolling,

49:05
Speaker 8

siting.

49:06
Speaker 8

There'll be that dynamic pricing model that goes into the deck. So say, you know, Monday at lunch, maybe, like, a

49:13
Speaker 8

a

49:13
Speaker 8

dollar per hour, whatever.

49:15
Speaker 8

Friday could be up to $3 per hour.

49:18
Speaker 8

But, yes, there will be citations given. There will be enforcement,

49:24
Speaker 8

and on using this as a revenue source ultimately to pay down the revenue bonds. But then also, once those revenue bonds are paying down are paid down, it's a revenue source for the city at that point. Right. Right. That's that's in an ideal world, it makes money. Mhmm.

49:37
Speaker 4

So did we foresee potentially

49:39
Speaker 4

citing Amazon and FedEx and Uber and Uber Eats and all of these folks that are tending to stop for twenty minutes sometimes? And I I was gonna say I was gonna bring that up as they're all good questions with the Amazon

49:52
Speaker 8

and any emergency vehicle access that's blocked. That is gonna be a code and police issue, and I'm gonna look over at my fire folks. And the first time that they're unable to do their job,

50:03
Speaker 8

that's gonna then fall on police to go in. Alright. This can't happen again. And if it does, tickets are gonna be issued or we're gonna step up enforcement there. So it's sort of the different levers of the city pulling out each other to make sure an emergency situation is attended to in the quick

50:18
Speaker 8

watch those response times. I know fire reports on them keeps that data. So if that starts to taper down, that's something we don't wanna see as a city.

50:29
Speaker 4

K. Thank you.

50:34
Speaker 1

Any other questions?

50:50
Speaker 1

Is there anyone from the public that would like to make a comment?

50:56
Speaker 1

No?

50:57
Speaker 1

Alright. Is there any discussion?

51:01
Speaker 1

Carol?

51:02
Speaker 3

Well, hang on a second.

51:04
Speaker 3

So

51:06
Speaker 3

in looking through the

51:10
Speaker 2

what is this called?

51:14
Speaker 3

The staff recommended

51:16
Speaker 3

modifications.

51:20
Speaker 3

Number 12

51:23
Speaker 3

under the

51:24
Speaker 3

under b

51:26
Speaker 3

about the LDP approval.

51:30
Speaker 3

Should that word developer be owner?

51:38
Speaker 2

Question yesterday. I think that's a question for transportation.

51:44
Speaker 2

Possibly legal.

51:45
Speaker 1

I think legal. I'm trying to find it.

51:48
Speaker 1

This was a discussion we had in the overlay too. Is it the new owner versus developer?

51:54
Speaker 1

Right.

51:57
Speaker 1

I don't remember where we landed.

52:01
Speaker 8

A change to owner would actually

52:03
Speaker 8

be preferable.

52:07
Speaker 1

Well, I think the issue is some of this is city owned, and so,

52:11
Speaker 1

like, that's relative to sidewalks. I think that's part of it. Yeah. It says note number

52:17
Speaker 8

12. And not to give give too much, I guess, too much away, but there will be a a purchase option as part of this. So there is a chance that the city doesn't always own this prop.

52:26
Speaker 1

Okay.

52:27
Speaker 1

And I'm trying to look long term that maybe maybe owner is And that's what I think you had said maybe during the overlay, it would be handled in the agreements, and so that's why you weren't concerned about it.

52:40
Speaker 4

Can we find the staff note that generated

52:44
Speaker 8

this item? Owner and or developer,

52:47
Speaker 8

just to catch all.

52:50
Speaker 4

Okay. Yeah.

52:51
Speaker 4

I think my concern during the overlay process was just to ensure that we didn't put it on a developer because they go away.

52:58
Speaker 4

Right. Right? And we just wanna make sure that the long term

53:01
Speaker 4

maintenance is on somebody.

53:04
Speaker 4

Yeah.

53:04
Speaker 4

Thank you.

53:06
Speaker 1

Good. So you'd like to see it say owner and or developer. Is that correct? Okay. What about for the townhouses? Because will the HOA be responsible for that? That's that just that section, like, what will happen there? Yes. The the HOA for that will be responsible for that. Those those will be parceled out in fee simple, but then there'll be an HOA, and we're working on the covenants for that. So they'll be responsible for them. They'll be the owner of the HOA. Okay.

53:30
Speaker 4

Yes. Hold on.

53:34
Speaker 4

We we we did discuss I know. I know.

53:37
Speaker 4

We did discuss yesterday with staff the

53:41
Speaker 4

the,

53:41
Speaker 4

townhome

53:42
Speaker 4

parcel

53:43
Speaker 4

and how,

53:45
Speaker 4

we we are not parceling that up today or we're it's not showing today because,

53:50
Speaker 4

you know, we still need to figure some things out with the parking deck and, you know, in part probably the order of of those things are being built,

53:58
Speaker 4

to not make it difficult. But,

54:00
Speaker 4

we weren't really sure how,

54:03
Speaker 4

the preliminary plat for the townhomes

54:07
Speaker 4

was,

54:08
Speaker 4

needed to come forward for this. Is it going to be a modification of this

54:13
Speaker 4

of this preliminary

54:15
Speaker 4

plat, or is it going to be a new and separate

54:18
Speaker 4

preliminary plat because it's going to be

54:21
Speaker 4

subdivided

54:23
Speaker 4

off of the preliminary plat for this? I mean, so it's in flight.

54:28
Speaker 4

Yeah. Sometime, it's going to be different owned by potentially somebody else.

54:32
Speaker 4

And, obviously, the lots will be owned by somebody else.

54:36
Speaker 4

I just wanna make sure that that all of the language we're using for this preliminary plat and the way that it needs to go to final plat is not

54:45
Speaker 4

complicated by the fact that we're separating potentially

54:49
Speaker 4

the townhome lot.

54:51
Speaker 8

I believe the plan last time we've gone through a couple iterations of this because this this has come up and been

54:57
Speaker 8

sort of the whack a mole of how to how to attack this. And I I believe the the plan we've come to is we want to amend this preliminary plat once

55:06
Speaker 8

the townhomes are parceled out so that it comes back again and then the final plat is done with everything reflected on there. Okay. That's that's what we've decided on now,

55:17
Speaker 8

But we've gone through a couple different iterations, but we think that's the best path forward. Okay. So so for anybody listening to this in the future tonight, it sounds like,

55:26
Speaker 4

when the townhome,

55:28
Speaker 4

lot,

55:29
Speaker 4

is finalized,

55:30
Speaker 4

and, you know, where the townhome lots are going to be, you'll come back to planning commission

55:36
Speaker 4

for,

55:37
Speaker 4

a change to preliminary plat. And and hopefully, all of this gets developed during the same time line

55:44
Speaker 4

before we get, sort of occupancy.

55:46
Speaker 4

Yeah?

55:47
Speaker 4

Yep. Okay. Thank you. You're confirming. Thank you. Okay.

55:51
Speaker 1

Carol?

55:54
Speaker 3

Okay.

55:54
Speaker 3

The same document here,

55:56
Speaker 3

section c, the advisory comments.

56:00
Speaker 3

Number two,

56:01
Speaker 8

it says access for requested inspection is required between the hours of eight and four without exception. Please be aware that

56:04
Speaker 3

required between the hours of eight and four. Without exception, please be aware that city of Roswell must formally review any proposed changes or modifications

56:12
Speaker 3

to the approved plans before implementation is authorized.

56:15
Speaker 3

Is that mayor and council?

56:25
Speaker 1

So I think she's also talking about, number Five. Five. Yes. Please be aware that the city of Roswell must formally review any proposed changes. So is that

56:35
Speaker 1

staff, mayor, and council?

56:41
Speaker 4

Yeah. I think just clarifying what the intent there is, I think, is helpful, and then we can figure it out.

56:47
Speaker 4

Clarifying what the intent is because

56:49
Speaker 4

what we our our existing code should cover these things, but I wanna make sure that we're not Mhmm. Modifying them Right. Our existing code by having these statements. Right.

57:00
Speaker 2

Can you repeat which number again?

57:03
Speaker 3

It's numbers two and five

57:06
Speaker 3

under c

57:08
Speaker 3

of the new packet that you gave us

57:10
Speaker 3

that says the following, our advisory comments.

57:14
Speaker 2

So,

57:16
Speaker 2

number two is access for requested inspection is required

57:20
Speaker 2

between the hours of eight and four without exception. Please be aware that the city of Roswell

57:25
Speaker 2

must formally review any proposed changes or modification to the approved

57:28
Speaker 2

or

57:29
Speaker 2

to the approved

57:32
Speaker 2

or implementation

57:33
Speaker 2

is

57:34
Speaker 3

Right. Should the city of Roswell be mayor and council?

57:38
Speaker 2

No. That is a standard

57:41
Speaker 2

note

57:42
Speaker 2

that I believe it's building or engineering

57:46
Speaker 2

ads. So

57:47
Speaker 2

they're just covering their basis to say

57:51
Speaker 2

that if you build it different than what you

57:55
Speaker 2

have proposed and been approved,

57:57
Speaker 2

you have to go back through.

57:59
Speaker 1

Right. So that's the building division then. So in number one, we called it the building division

58:05
Speaker 2

just because we don't usually do it this way, adopting modifications like this. So that's why we didn't include these in the slide. I think based on yesterday's discussion,

58:15
Speaker 2

we acknowledge that these were the leftover comments that weren't required

58:19
Speaker 2

and were advisory in nature. So don't you don't need to

58:24
Speaker 2

adopt them as modifications,

58:26
Speaker 2

to the plan unless you want to.

58:31
Speaker 2

Just acknowledging

58:32
Speaker 2

that these are comments that are in the system

58:34
Speaker 2

that are advisory and not required to move forward in the process?

58:39
Speaker 3

Well, number five

58:41
Speaker 3

sits on its own, and it's not talking necessarily about

58:45
Speaker 3

anything specific. It just says, please be aware that the city of Roswell must formally review any proposed changes or modifications to the approved plans before

58:57
Speaker 3

mayor and council?

58:58
Speaker 2

No. So, again, these are always

59:01
Speaker 2

in

59:02
Speaker 2

the plan review comments.

59:04
Speaker 2

So because we aggregated the plan review comments into these

59:10
Speaker 2

modifications

59:11
Speaker 2

for your use,

59:12
Speaker 2

took the balance of things that aren't required on the final plat or the LDP and we put this in in the advisory.

59:19
Speaker 2

So

59:21
Speaker 2

the the words

59:22
Speaker 2

are intentional

59:24
Speaker 2

and they're spoken from the varying review staff. The back of your packet includes

59:29
Speaker 2

the breakdown of what review. So, of course, this was fire's comments

59:34
Speaker 2

and it is

59:36
Speaker 2

they make on every preliminary advisory

59:39
Speaker 2

comment.

59:40
Speaker 3

So number five is meant to be piggybacked off number four. Is that correct? Because five sits on its own. That's why I was asking that question.

59:51
Speaker 2

Four is from the building regulations

59:54
Speaker 2

comments, and five is from the fire marshal's comments.

59:57
Speaker 3

Well, on the new packet that you gave us, four is the fire marshal, and five stands alone.

01:00:04
Speaker 2

And five is please be aware that the city of Roswell must formally review

01:00:08
Speaker 2

any proposed changes or modifications to the approved plans

01:00:12
Speaker 2

before implementation

01:00:13
Speaker 2

is authorized.

01:00:15
Speaker 2

Do you remember what?

01:00:41
Speaker 2

Bear with me one second, ma'am. Sure.

01:01:36
Speaker 2

Hey. It is another comment. You can see at the

01:01:40
Speaker 2

balance of your packet, the fire the comments that actually came and are

01:01:45
Speaker 2

invited in

01:01:47
Speaker 2

apartments.

01:01:49
Speaker 2

It is the please be aware.

01:01:53
Speaker 2

Roswell.

01:01:58
Speaker 2

Is a fire comment, so it sits

01:02:03
Speaker 2

independent of I mean, it's a it they assisted the comments, but

01:02:07
Speaker 2

you get them as a packet, and we aggregated them into advice.

01:02:12
Speaker 1

Right. So two is building division and five is fire.

01:02:16
Speaker 1

K. Does that help, Carol? Yeah.

01:02:21
Speaker 1

Jeanne, we also had had the boilerplate language we've been using on preliminary plots about no variances have been

01:02:27
Speaker 1

approved with this that have not been

01:02:30
Speaker 1

expressly requested. Is that on this drawing? I mean, it might be there. I can't see it because it's very small.

01:02:38
Speaker 2

I am not confident that it is this time.

01:02:42
Speaker 2

So it is something that you could have. Okay.

01:02:51
Speaker 1

Alright. Carol has another question.

01:02:53
Speaker 1

Sorry.

01:02:55
Speaker 3

For the comments from the water department,

01:03:01
Speaker 3

the first paragraph

01:03:04
Speaker 3

starts

01:03:05
Speaker 3

it it I'm I'm wondering if there's some verbiage that's missing

01:03:11
Speaker 3

before it starts two vaults, four sitting side by side.

01:03:15
Speaker 3

Is there anything missing before that?

01:03:18
Speaker 2

I I took it that it's just,

01:03:21
Speaker 2

you know, like, r, the sitting side by

01:03:24
Speaker 2

side.

01:03:25
Speaker 2

And we did not. We were not able to have a representative from water.

01:03:41
Speaker 2

Probably just left off actually now reading it what the bolts were.

01:03:46
Speaker 3

Right. Because it starts with the lowercase

01:03:48
Speaker 3

letter and isn't a complete sentence.

01:03:52
Speaker 3

So

01:03:53
Speaker 2

okay.

01:03:54
Speaker 2

There are comments.

01:03:57
Speaker 1

K. Well Any more questions?

01:03:59
Speaker 1

Any more questions?

01:04:02
Speaker 1

Alright. Any other questions for the applicant or city staff?

01:04:07
Speaker 1

Right. Any discussion, planning commission members?

01:04:13
Speaker 1

Eric?

01:04:15
Speaker 4

I'm sorry about that. You know,

01:04:18
Speaker 4

I may regret

01:04:19
Speaker 4

asking about this, but we we do have a tree plan, I suppose.

01:04:24
Speaker 4

We we have listed the trees. Jackie. You know?

01:04:28
Speaker 4

It is a,

01:04:30
Speaker 4

challenging topic at the moment.

01:04:32
Speaker 1

That's why we're all here. Yep.

01:04:38
Speaker 10

Arborist at the moment until our Congratulations.

01:04:41
Speaker 10

Three weeks. Three weeks.

01:04:43
Speaker 10

There is a tree inventory that was done completely. It should have been in your packet. Yes. A Every tree,

01:04:48
Speaker 10

and we put the condition on there related to the specimen trees that they have to take care of. And in the LDP currently, that is

01:04:59
Speaker 10

all the trees are being looked at for that. And just so you know, since I'm not technically officially an architect,

01:05:05
Speaker 10

I am working with the landscape architect that, we do have in Rec and Parks

01:05:10
Speaker 10

Oh, thank you. Related to this the LDP.

01:05:13
Speaker 1

Okay.

01:05:13
Speaker 1

K.

01:05:15
Speaker 1

Any questions for Jackie about the tree plan?

01:05:17
Speaker 4

Eric? I'm gonna do it for the public.

01:05:22
Speaker 4

It does seem to me that that we we are replacing

01:05:25
Speaker 4

any removed trees with the required number of trees.

01:05:29
Speaker 4

Is it just that requirement or is it more than what is required

01:05:33
Speaker 4

that you're aware of? The tree,

01:05:36
Speaker 10

so I believe they're replacing,

01:05:38
Speaker 10

all this all the trees. Basically, if you've looked at that, most of the trees are coming out. Yep.

01:05:44
Speaker 10

And

01:05:44
Speaker 10

based on what I've been looking at

01:05:47
Speaker 10

is that they are doing a replacement for all the specimen trees,

01:05:52
Speaker 10

and they are required to meet 10 units per acre,

01:05:56
Speaker 10

as indicated in the overlay.

01:05:59
Speaker 10

There will be a number of trees that are coming back.

01:06:02
Speaker 10

However, as you can see, it is an urban plan. So but they are going to be providing a number of a variety of different trees that are on the plans. I've not finished that. Like I said, working with the landscape architect and rec and parks to just double check everything.

01:06:15
Speaker 10

There are however, I was looking at this earlier. There are a number of trees that are gonna be screening the back portion of the parking deck. They're using green drying arborvita back there,

01:06:25
Speaker 10

and there's a variety of other trees in there.

01:06:28
Speaker 10

But still currently doing the review.

01:06:31
Speaker 4

So haven't finished and just literally started today. Right. So some of the some of the trees will be,

01:06:38
Speaker 4

you know, in the various landscape opportunities, but we'll also have trees as part of the required tree,

01:06:44
Speaker 4

numbers,

01:06:45
Speaker 4

for trans or I guess for for the streets. Right? For the streetscape? Yep. Streetscape plant. Yep. They're on they're on their drawings. Lines. Correct. Yes. Great. Thank you. Welcome.

01:06:55
Speaker 1

Thank

01:06:56
Speaker 1

you.

01:06:58
Speaker 1

Any other questions?

01:06:59
Speaker 1

Thank you, Eric.

01:07:09
Speaker 1

Right.

01:07:10
Speaker 1

Had a water accident up here. It's like Okay. I think we're on track. Okay.

01:07:19
Speaker 1

Alright.

01:07:20
Speaker 1

Are there any other questions, comments? Are we ready to make a motion?

01:07:30
Speaker 3

I would like to make a comment. Okay. I would really

01:07:33
Speaker 3

like the

01:07:34
Speaker 3

developer

01:07:36
Speaker 3

to

01:07:38
Speaker 3

relook at everything seriously

01:07:40
Speaker 3

with regard to the,

01:07:43
Speaker 3

the parking, the drop off, the UPS, the FedEx, the

01:07:47
Speaker 3

just picking up a friend at the at a community,

01:07:51
Speaker 3

dropping off someone, picking up for soccer just all these different things that people are just not gonna go in that parking deck to go do. They're just not going to do it. So it's a matter of how is it actually going to work realistically

01:08:04
Speaker 3

and take that into consideration

01:08:06
Speaker 3

because I don't wanna have this brand new

01:08:09
Speaker 3

fabulous

01:08:10
Speaker 3

shopping place and and living

01:08:13
Speaker 3

area and restaurants and it's so great And all we hear about is how congested it is, there's no place to park, and there's always trucks and things in the way, and you can't get around. And I just don't wanna hear that from people. We need to plan ahead and do it right.

01:08:29
Speaker 3

So please, please, please take these things into consideration of how people actually live and work and and,

01:08:37
Speaker 3

shop.

01:08:38
Speaker 3

Thank you.

01:08:42
Speaker 1

Other comments?

01:08:45
Speaker 1

Questions? Are we ready for a motion?

01:08:51
Speaker 3

Need to change that one from

01:08:53
Speaker 3

developer to owner

01:08:55
Speaker 1

and or developer. Owner and or developer. Yeah. Okay.

01:09:00
Speaker 1

Jeannie, so if we adopt the modifications

01:09:03
Speaker 1

on your slides, you have the missing number 17 that ours don't have. Correct? Yeah. The all roads profile. So as long as we adopt

01:09:12
Speaker 1

your presentation, if you will,

01:09:14
Speaker 1

that will be covered?

01:09:16
Speaker 1

Okay. As presented. As presented. Alright.

01:09:19
Speaker 1

And then

01:09:20
Speaker 1

we're just gonna make the change to add owner and or developer

01:09:24
Speaker 1

on number 12

01:09:26
Speaker 1

of the b.

01:09:33
Speaker 1

Presented

01:09:34
Speaker 1

modifications? Were you gonna add the no variances? I'm gonna add that at the front, and then we'll incorporate the modifications.

01:09:41
Speaker 4

Thank you.

01:09:42
Speaker 1

Okay.

01:09:43
Speaker 1

And where did we land on whether or not we pick up these advisory comments and our modifications? Because they were not in your presentation. Correct?

01:09:51
Speaker 1

Correct. So we would just need to read those into

01:09:54
Speaker 1

the record if we wanted to adopt those?

01:09:58
Speaker 1

Or just

01:09:59
Speaker 1

I guess I talked

01:10:05
Speaker 8

yesterday.

01:10:08
Speaker 4

Eric, can you I'm sorry if you felt that way. I was very supportive of that. I was I was just clarifying.

01:10:14
Speaker 4

And that meeting yesterday, you were you were you know, Jeanne read through those those items.

01:10:19
Speaker 4

And,

01:10:20
Speaker 4

you know, I just remembered that perhaps I was scolded at one point by Jeanne,

01:10:25
Speaker 4

in a previous meeting

01:10:26
Speaker 4

around trying to add a modification of existing code, and it just seemed very much the same thing. So,

01:10:32
Speaker 4

I'm very supportive of restating the obvious. And even if it's even if it's in our code, if staff members are asking for it because Right. I'm not gonna get it. Staff members to ensure that they get things on here that they need even if it's already in our code.

01:10:54
Speaker 1

Okay. So I don't need to read them all?

01:10:58
Speaker 1

Okay.

01:10:59
Speaker 1

Because they're in the report that's online. Right?

01:11:04
Speaker 1

Okay.

01:11:07
Speaker 1

Alright.

01:11:13
Speaker 1

You ready?

01:11:14
Speaker 1

Why don't I make a motion?

01:11:16
Speaker 10

I can make a motion to Okay.

01:11:19
Speaker 1

It's Kitty Singleton.

01:11:24
Speaker 1

For agenda item, two zero two five three nine seven two Hill Street mixed use Development preliminary plat.

01:11:31
Speaker 1

I move we approve the preliminary plat with the following following modifications.

01:11:36
Speaker 1

One,

01:11:39
Speaker 1

no variances have been granted that were not expressly

01:11:42
Speaker 1

requested.

01:11:45
Speaker 2

Two,

01:11:47
Speaker 1

to adopt staff recommended modifications

01:11:50
Speaker 1

as presented

01:11:52
Speaker 1

for the final plat

01:11:54
Speaker 1

and the LDP approval

01:12:00
Speaker 1

with the following change, number 12 under LDP approval should change developer to owner and or developer.

01:12:08
Speaker 1

And three,

01:12:10
Speaker 1

the modifications

01:12:11
Speaker 1

from the staff report under advisory comments

01:12:15
Speaker 1

are also added to the modification.

01:12:20
Speaker 1

Capture?

01:12:21
Speaker 1

Is

01:12:22
Speaker 1

that

01:12:24
Speaker 1

Yes. Alright. Do we have a second?

01:12:27
Speaker 1

Eric Schumacher. Jason Frazier's second. We've heard a lot from Eric tonight. Just let Jason have that. All in favor?

01:12:34
Speaker 1

Unanimous?

01:12:37
Speaker 1

K.

01:12:38
Speaker 1

Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes from

01:12:42
Speaker 1

July 21 meeting? This is our work session for the Hill Street overlay.

01:12:50
Speaker 1

We have any changes or modifications to the minutes. Do we have a motion to approve?

01:12:57
Speaker 1

I think everybody was there, so anyone can motion.

01:13:03
Speaker 4

Motion to approve minutes for the July 21

01:13:07
Speaker 1

Do we have a second? 2025

01:13:08
Speaker 1

PC special called meeting. Okay. Second from Pooja Gardner.

01:13:13
Speaker 1

All in favor approving the minutes from July 21. It's unanimous.

01:13:18
Speaker 1

Alright. Do we have anything else, Jeannie?

01:13:21
Speaker 1

Great. Thank you ladies very much. Good evening. We're adjourned.

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