Planning Commission Meeting
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Duration: 73 minutes
Speakers: 10
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Okay. Good evening. This is Kitty Singleton. I'm calling the September 23 meeting of the Roswell Planning Commission
to order.
Planning commission members are residents of Roswell appointed by the mayor and city council. We're volunteers.
Planning commission is a recommending
body. I wanna thank Angela
Rambo and Jeanne Payton for getting us ready for the meeting tonight, preparing the materials.
A copy of the agenda is at the back of the room for any residents that are here.
As we consider each item, staff will present the application along with their report and recommendations.
After that presentation, planning commission may have questions for staff.
Then the applicant will come forward
and make a presentation. We'll have questions for the applicant. Then we may have more questions from staff. And then if there are any members of the public that are here, we'll hear from them at that time. If someone from the public is here, if you would please complete the card at the back, has your name and personal information, then hand that to Jeanne Payton when you come forward
to talk with us.
So
please silence your cell phones, and we'll get started.
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Good evening. I'm Jeannie Payton, planning and zoning director.
Tonight's special call meeting is related to the Hill Street overlay district area a preliminary plat.
The applicant is requesting the approval of the preliminary plat for the Hill Street overlay district area a.
It shows the Hill Street district overlay area both a and b.
So, again, tonight's preliminary plat pertains to
A and
it is bounded by Atlanta Street and Ellis on the West and east and to the north.
It doesn't quite reach Oak Street, but Community Circle goes up into the
Here's a rendering of the building layout.
Actually
spun, so Hill Street is on the bottom here.
And, of course, it's to the north and then
the the multifamily development will be to the South side nearest to Oak.
Have some
areas of the plat document that we reference back to.
Scroll through them slowly.
I'll point out for purpose of discussion
the townhomes while the footprints are showing
it is
The rendering of the development
from Hill Street.
Jeanne, could you,
move the microphone closer to yourself? Thanks.
The rendering of the development,
sitting at the city building, looking across Hill Street,
with the former police station being on your left, the multifamily street ahead,
Atlanta being on the right.
Rendering?
This is a slide that I have the next three slides kind of a discussion of the ownership.
So right now, the developer owns
three parcels
on that Northwestern
corner. The city owns four parcels on to the Northeast and reaching to the South, and then there's a developer controlled parcel,
to the South nearest to Oak Street along Community Circle.
The proposed transaction
will
swap the land so that
up here to future ownership.
So
the swap includes that middle parcel,
and then eventually,
the city will own
the three parcels
on the western side, one parcel
on the eastern side, and the developer will control what is the multifamily
property.
Eventually,
the townhome properties will also be
sold off to that developer.
A preliminary plat
is an approximate drawing of a proposed subdivision showing the general layout of streets, alleys, lots, blocks, and other elements
of the subdivision consistent with the requirements of the UDC.
Preliminary plat shall furnish a furnish a basis for the approval or disapproval of the subdivision.
Upon approval of the preliminary plat, plans and specifications for the installation
required for a land disturbance permit
may be prepared and submitted. This is pursuant to section 13.8.
LDP review
is a land disturbance permit requiring,
It's required for land disturbance activity including, but not limited to, clearing, dredging, grading,
excavating, filling,
tree removal, storage, or transporting of material on or off-site. These are important distinctions as we work through the next few slides where we distinguish what's needed as we move forward.
We have some slides on stormwater concept reviews, and we do have representatives
from many departments, including fire,
w,
engineering,
transportation,
who can fill in,
some of the questions that you have tonight.
A stormwater concept plan is an initial plan for post construction stormwater management
at the site. It provides the groundwork for the stormwater management plan, including natural resources inventory,
site layout concept,
initial runoff characterization,
and the first round stormwater management system design.
The stormwater concept plan shall be prepared using the following steps.
Develop a site layout using better site design techniques as applicable.
Calculate the preliminary estimates of the unified stormwater sizing criteria requirements
for stormwater runoff quality reduction,
channel protection,
overbank flooding protection, and extreme flood flood protection,
and reform screening and preliminary selection of appropriate best management practices known as DMP,
identification
of potential siting.
This slide shows the areas that there are the proposed
stormwater
underground,
underground detention areas.
There are a few on Hill Rose Circle. It does
the oval Purple Oval doesn't kind of encompass at all. It it turns
and again on Community Circle.
That hatched area.
So staff recommended some modifications,
and we've broken them down in between final plat and,
LDP process.
We've cleaned up some of the language based on some feedback that we have. We've provided you with documents with that cleaned up language and tried to clearly delineate what's final plat, what's land disturbance permit.
Stop looking up and look down here.
So for the final plat, the following conditions
of final plat approval and are to be included in the final plat
for recording.
So the process will be preliminary plat approval,
then LDP,
then it goes to final plat for recording at the county. So these are for final plat. The dimensions of all easements shall be indicated.
All utilities shall be shown in an easement
should be shown in an easement shall be shown. That's bad language.
The center line of existing and proposed pavement shall be labeled.
The provision for sewage disposal shall be provided.
The stormwater table indicating the existing proposed impervious area square footage for each lot shall be included.
The intersection
pavement, right of way radius,
all centerline curve data, and tangent data shall be included.
The flood note has been updated to show FEMA community number
130088,
but the city's required flood note should provide the community panel number,
which is 13121C0063G.
Update the scale in the title block on sheets one,
two, and three, and the Fulton County health signature must be obtained.
The staff recommended modifications
going into the LDP approval
are that all fees for removal of specimen trees shall be determined
during the land disturbance
permit process
and payment is required prior to the issuance of the land disturbance permit.
Locate the black backflow vault
past the meter vault and show connections of the six inch fire line that is to feed the townhomes.
Provide the location of the existing eight inch water line that runs along Ellis Street.
Provide the eight inch water line from its connection on Oak Street.
Provide and show connection of the two vaults and the backflow vaults to the multifamily buildings that the line will serve.
No tie in of the two vaults to the eight inch public water
line.
Provide a utility easement
for the meter vault from the back of the right of way
all around the vault,
provide a meter and backflow for the two inch line
feeding the parking deck on the LDP and final plat prior to recording
as long as the eight inch line on Community Circle is to remain
as part of the public water system,
provide and show the connection for the meter vault to the public water system that is located at the corner of Hill And Ellis Street.
And provide the location of all valves where the vaults connected to the public water system.
A valve and plug shall be added to the end of the 12 inch line for future connection point.
Note number 12
shall be deleted
and replaced with the following. Note,
all sidewalks on all street frontages shall be maintained by the developer.
Number 13, on the LDP plans, please either meander the sidewalk around the fire hydrant that is shown along Atlanta Street, State Route 9 Trail, or relocate.
All utilities shall be identified either by called out or in a legend.
Indicate all
abandoned driveways
and ADA ramps
shall be closed with streetscape
that is to match the streetscape along that street, whether it is curb and gutter,
grass strip, trail, or sidewalk.
All private streets shall meet public street standards.
All road profiles
shall be updated
and completed.
Profile slope,
tangent lines are connected by curve and k values.
The piping along Ellis
in close proximity to
T H Number four townhome
must be relocated 10 feet from the foundation edge of the building.
If this is not possible option, a structural engineer or geotechnical engineer must certify the placement of the pipe in close proximity,
will not impact the structural integrity of the building foundation.
That same pipe must be located 10 feet from the right of way. The dedicated
dedication
of an easement in the right of way will not work for the stormwater division.
Lesser clearance could be approved
upon an agreement with EPW.
A 10 foot easement
from the right of way line along Hill Street
must be met under
around the underground attention.
The recommendation is to eliminate one leg of pipe, extend the other leg longer
along Hill Street, and move the pipe inwards to satisfy that requirement.
All utilities and related easements should be shown.
The centerline of existing and proposed pavement shall be labeled.
The last two comment I'm sorry. Before we go any further, my document only has 21 points.
So I think we're missing number 17 on the document that I have. Your all roads shall be updated and completed.
Apologize. It's okay. I just wanted to
It's possible. No. They're having some Yeah. Facing problems around the Boswell logo, so I am not surprised if it doesn't. So you'll know what we're coming back to. So we're missing number 17 on this slide. Okay. I just wanted to do do that while we had it in front of us. Alright. I'm sorry. No. That that's the complete list. The final list that you all received,
was advisory comments. Okay. These comments come from the staff comments that are included in your packet and was included in the update.
The idea was to take the language that's from each of the review staff. It's not natural language for all of us, and, you know, I'm sure there are questions that you might have related to that that can be answered.
Answered, but the idea was not to
change that language too much from what the staff had recommended.
I think you'll notice the only other update is we kind of took off the language that said at ALDP,
at final plat, and kept them clearly under
a
or
b.
Do you have any questions of me?
Eric?
Yes. Eric Schumacher.
Do we have a requirement for a preliminary plat to have something from Fulton County Health Department?
We do ask that there's an indication
at preliminary plat from Fulton County Health, and that was not able to be achieved for
this document. Okay. Is that something that we want to ensure we get before LDP?
I think it's covered in these conditions,
and we're satisfied staff satisfied with that.
So this, kinda leads me into,
if there's infrastructure sufficiency
for things like sewer from Fulton County.
And so that would be significant for me, and I guess that happens during land disturbance.
We can add it to the land disturbance permit process
to ensure that it's,
you know,
we're notified of it ahead of the final plan. Okay. Thank you.
Is there any other questions for staff right now?
Alright. Thank you, Jeanie.
The applicant
like to make a
presentation.
Hello.
My name is Almarie Brennan. I'm with Kimberly Horn. I am the record civil engineer for this project.
Thank you for a great presentation.
Don't have much else to add on top of that. I will just note,
we do have capacity approval from Fulton County Sewer. They wanted to review the plans before providing signatures on the plot documents, but we did make sure to get that early
to answer any questions,
you may have as well.
Anyone have any questions for the applicant right now?
We have a lot of city staff here. I think it might be helpful for us to ask them some questions and then come back to you if that's okay. Alright. Thank you. Because that might
alright.
Let's hear from fire first.
Berkshire with the City of Roswell Fire Department.
May I have some questions for you on this project?
Yes. We do. Eric?
Yes. Eric Schumacher. Thank you.
Because we have the multifamily
buildings,
in the center, and it looks like a pretty pretty dense
development.
We have
what looks like fire lane through through most of the private streets,
and I'm assuming no parking as well. But it it did strike me that we have
limited aerial access,
from the streets where we might sometimes
see,
secondary entrance around the back or a secondary secondary
street or or fire access. And on this on this plan, we do see that they have sprinkler system,
you know,
specified.
And,
you know, we have, you know, the limited aerial off the street, and then the remainder of it looks like it's only
by foot. And so I I just wanted to hear,
from from Roswell Fire,
about
how
you've reviewed this and and what we have in place is,
absolutely safe for our future residents.
Absolutely. So code allows some exceptions for the, the sprinkler system to extend that. You're talking about the access all the way around the building. So we're allowed to do that with the addition of the sprinkler systems, and then we've gone through and mapped out the road, checked the width, and made sure we had the proper height for for ladders and the right width so we could set everything up and, get the required access around the building.
And so you you feel that,
the kind of activity we'll have at this development
with the parking deck being potentially
partially public. We have, you know, hope hoping for a very vibrant,
you know, shopping area and restaurants
and,
unknown
amount of drop off traffic, etcetera.
Do you do you feel that,
these streets,
will be perfectly safe for for fire trucks to come through at any time
as long as we're marking
all of them, I guess? No parking or no stopping?
Absolutely. Those streets should meet all the requirements that are set forth. And on top of that, I believe most of those buildings are sprinkled, which also help reduce some of that risk and and the need for that. Well Right. And I didn't I didn't really see on our site plan where we have dumpsters. I think I might have identified in one area, but it might have been a little bit unsure what we were doing for,
you know,
garbage trucks and things like that and how it might impact, I guess, at certain times, you know, access because those trucks
may need to back up into things and block some streets and stuff like that to get a dumpsters. And so do are you aware where those dumpsters are gonna be located? I am not.
Okay. But typically, though, we have stuff for our fire department access. If we have a road longer than a 150 feet, they've gotta be able to turn around. So we've tried to loop that they tried to loop the system, so there's no turnarounds needed for us back there.
Okay.
And then I did see a section of notes on, I guess, page 12 of the plan set,
from from the fire marshal. And,
I think item 16 indicated,
they wanted to see radiuses of 50 feet and,
outside radius of 50 feet. And I did note that the radius
off of Hill Rose,
coming around that turn there had had a different designation on that radius. And I wanted to know if that's something you noticed and that's something that's gonna get cleared up or or is that meeting your requirements?
It is meeting the requirements. Typically, we ask for 15. Because of the terrain topography layout of this, we're able to adjust that based off what the city of Roswell has as far as their apparatus that are responding.
Okay. Great. Thank you.
Alright.
Any other questions for fire?
Alright. Thank
you.
We have some stormwater
questions as well.
Brian Watson, director of environmental public works.
Can you tell us about what the stormwater plan is for the parcel?
Stormwater concept plan or stormwater plan?
So the stormwater concept plan, the main thing that we're looking at is that
applicant is
addressing or looking at and thinking about, the water quality requirements that will be needed,
requirements that are gonna be needed.
Not gonna be any sort
sort of practice that's in place that
primary thing is that we're looking at and making sure
of the calculations. We don't have the exact
Eric, do you have a question?
Yeah. Eric Schumer. I'm not sure we were getting all of that,
in on the mic. It was cutting in and out for me.
Maybe just maybe lean forward a little bit.
So I I noticed that we have a lot of underground,
detention.
And,
I don't do we know at this point,
is it primarily going to be underground detention or are we routing that water,
somewhere else?
The majority of the stormwater management will be underground detention. Okay. And is that the majority of that underground detention on private property or is any of it on public property?
It's all on private property. Okay.
Is is,
underground detention under public streets
optional in the city of Roswell? Is it possible?
That's kind of
a double edged sword on the question. Is it possible? Yes. Have we accepted or approved it? No.
Under a private if it's under a public street, then it would have to be public infrastructure
not taking over any of this
Okay. It's it's my understanding that it is possible. I just kinda wanna call it out if we end up not having enough space for our for our stormwater management, I believe, according to our
own own code.
So
Go ahead. I'm gonna clarify. Sure. It's possible we don't allow it.
So that that's the reason I asked that question because it it could be under there. But right now, there is nothing that we have allowed within the city
underground detention under a public road.
Yeah. Okay. We we've never done it. Correct. We haven't talked about it for this project.
But it is technically possible. We just haven't allowed it yet.
Thank you.
Make sure I was clear. Sorry. Absolutely. That was great. Do you have any other questions? I guess,
on the drawings, we didn't we we typically get
some level of a stormwater drawing,
and a preliminary plot. We didn't get one of those here. It's kinda looks like it's combined with some other things. So we tried very hard to see where that water was going. It it looked to me that in one area,
maybe off of Hill Rose Circle, that we were gonna be connecting to potentially an existing pipe,
running along someone else's property,
and we weren't really sure whose property that was. On the on the drawing that I had, it said, you know, formerly or now City of Roswell, but I'm not aware that the City of Roswell owns that property.
Are we
and there was no easement marked. So I didn't know
if you had seen that area or aware of it,
where we're running towards,
I guess, Highway 9
off of, maybe Hill Row Circle.
Yeah. I can't think of the exact pipe, but basically, in the LDP process, that will be part of the hydrology report that the
they'll have to look at what the impacts are, and they'll have to show that the downstream pipe can actually handle
the incoming
Right. And have to show that. We do expect,
from this property any water
that we are
that is going off property
to be piped underground, or will,
some of it be or,
anything we're controlling, say, is part of the system.
It is gonna be, underground
to other stormwater piping that we have in the city of Roswell down to
the river. Yeah. Any of the stormwater pipe that's gonna leave the property will,
I'd have to verify this. I think it will all go into city pipe. I don't know if
there's,
another option that, that the applicant has. But, yes, it would any of the stormwater management practices would have to connect to downstream pipe. Okay. We'd have to show that that pipe meets the capacity.
Okay. And would the city of Roswell be responsible for any upgrades to the piping off of this property to meet the requirements of this property?
Not that I'm aware of. So if we had to replace a stormwater pipe off of this property to allow for sufficient
infrastructure sufficiency for the stormwater,
this developer would would be covering the cost? You have to cover the cost. Correct. Great. Thank you.
Thank are there any other questions for Stormwater?
Thank you.
Do we have any other questions for staff?
Transportation.
Greg Nicholas, interim director of transportation.
Questions?
Eric?
Okay.
We did we did have a pre meeting with staff yesterday. We did cover a lot of things that a couple of us, Katie and I. So, some of these questions did did come up then. I'm just mentioning it for transparency.
So
one of the things I'm have have already raised were were were I guess I was a little concerned or, you know, I'd like to have a special focus on what we're doing,
as far as,
interior parking,
you know, and how that might be
blocking traffic or
maybe some of our other,
members here have concerns about things like pickup and drop off.
I'm actually,
interested in hearing about,
what you've looked at for ingress and egress from
Community Circle onto Alice and and Hill Rose
onto
Hill Street.
Because today, it looks like you can take a left out of both of those on, streets onto Hill or onto Ellis.
And I was just wondering if that might add to,
the potential
congestion or other issues.
So if you could speak to
Yeah. The traffic study that was done for this development,
did look at all the I think it's five access points,
and all of them,
along Hill Street and then then the three along Ellis and then the one off Oak. They're all acceptable level of service,
as they're currently proposed with one lane in, one lane out.
What what is your plan or what is the plan for this development
when it comes to ride share drop offs and pickups?
Because it doesn't look like we have,
parallel,
parking anywhere on Hill Street.
It's all nose in, and it looks to me like any pickup or drop off is gonna end up blocking traffic.
That would probably be a question for the developer. I'm not aware of any zones or anything that have been identified
for
Assistant city attorney. Attorney. So as part of this deal, there is gonna be in the parking deck, there's gonna be a a valet service,
that is proposed. So
pick up, drop off will be through that through that area. That's already for valet.
It's gonna be
off. So that's already been contemplated and
planned for. I'm looking at see roughly the corner where the proposed parking deck is on
the interior portion between Building F and Building G,
so that's envisioned to be a valet stand.
Thank you for that. I actually meant, say, ride share pickup and drop off. That would be there as well. So ride share pickup, all those things coming through that corner. So that's that's what's currently envisioned right now.
So I guess I was trying to follow along. You're gonna have,
Uber, Lyft, etcetera,
driving through the development and into the parking deck area
only? They can drop off really wherever they they want, but
that's what's envisioned as where people can come in or park their car, drop off. I mean, you could
pick Uber pretty frequently. I could drop off on Ellis Street if I wanted to. I could set it for
Hill. I could set it for City Hall. So I don't I don't foresee that being a
Right. Yeah. I guess I'm just wanting to understand how the traffic was envisioned to flow. We we don't have, say, a traffic circle at at, Hill And Alice, which would be nice. It would allow for very quick in and out for
ride share, you know, if we had, you know, in the future at some point. It's not not something we're looking at today, you know, for this plenary plat.
But, I'm concerned about ensuring that we have a very vibrant community. And
if the ingress, egress on this is difficult, like some of our our other blighted shopping centers,
you know, it could limit its success. So I'm I'm very interested in ensuring and and hearing
that we really planned out very smooth and efficient,
you know, traffic flows for there and and the kind of traffic flow we have today, which is a lot of lot of Uber, yeah,
And this kind of a thing. So we don't have,
parking on Ellis. I think that's all Fire Lane now,
down down past
the townhouses.
So I'm I'm not really sure what people are gonna be doing with their, you know, the Uber and everybody waiting
somewhere.
I guess, maybe that'd be partially at at City Hall and they're and they're coming out of City Hall and, you you know, getting on Hill Street maybe and trying to get back, you know,
eastbound on Hill Street.
You know, I'm just
I'm not real it's not really clear to me that this is the per the perfect solution. It is a solution, and I think it probably meets all the requirements. But I just wanted to highlight that for everybody. I I think the hope is that everyone comes and pays for parking because there's a rental car.
So that that would be the hope.
I think some of the concern also comes from just the amount number of cars through here when this is so tight and this is the fire access. So I can envision a busy Friday night with lots of
Ubers and Lyfts waiting on people, dropping people off, and then a fire truck needs to come through. And cars are just stopped in front of the multifamily because they're waiting for somebody. And that's my concern about the traffic flow is that it would be so congested in here, it would no longer be safe for emergency vehicles, ambulances included.
And so I think that's where maybe some of this is coming from. Is that correct? Carol, did you have a
Yes. Carol Williams.
Yeah. I was particularly concerned about the multifamily
that with the parking deck being so far away from the actual
units
that where is there a place for someone to come drop off their groceries,
pick up a family member,
where would,
Amazon Park? Where would any of the delivery companies? I mean,
I just can't envision them at all going to the valet spot that's, like, a block away
to come make all their deliveries.
So
where would that be
for the multifamily?
I mean, that's for them to determine within the development.
That's
Well, I guess, in in a perfect world, this would all work. But realistically,
maybe this would be a good time for the applicant to come share their perspective on where all those vehicles are gonna go. Yeah.
Mhmm. If you don't mind, I'd like to ask one more question Okay. In transportation.
Could could you clarify where,
Community Circle is public and where it will end up being private?
And do we have any other streets in the city of Roswell that are half public and half private?
I believe
public up to
I mean,
it
plan.
Like, it's where the sidewalk does tie in.
It's public at least up till there.
I'm not aware of too many
roads that are half public, half private, and
I'm sure something exists out there. But
Okay. Thank you.
One more question.
I think,
as as part of the overlay discussion, we heard that, this, developer may need to do some developments on,
developer may need to do some developments on,
Oak Street.
And I don't know if that needed to be included in the preliminary plat or if that's completely
separate from the preliminary plat, but there I think there was something around a
a crosswalk.
Maybe,
maybe legal has has something. Right. It was a 10 foot multi use trail on Oak Street. It was in the overlay.
If it's not ringing a bell, I guess we'll we'll we'll have to take a look while somebody else is talking and see if that's something.
Okay. Thank you.
Hello. Almery Brennan again.
Just to speak to the multifamily
loading drop off,
obviously, there's a lot on this plat document, so things are kind of overlapping here.
And
also, while this plat was being generated, the discussions around the existing water tower were ongoing.
We now understand that the water tower is to be decommissioned.
So kind of that,
triangle area where the Multifamily East Building starts to turn in,
is now gonna be public publicly accessible park space that's gonna
have loading zones,
along the community circle extension to the north.
So there will be one loading zone up at the north end of the Multifamily East Building,
specifically
for package delivery Amazon truck.
That would be signed and dedicated for deliveries only.
And then there would be another two spaces
towards the south end of the Multifamily East Building,
which would be designated for resident move in.
The
move in and and service elevator would be located at the south end of that building as well.
So again, temporary, you know, we'd have
signage with,
time limits for the amount of time a car or van can park there.
But we have added some additional spaces along that western,
edge of community circle for those services.
What about for just daily deliveries? You know, their grocery delivery, those things. Would they have to park in the deck?
So the,
assumption is that, yes, the multifamily residents would all be parking in that deck.
Again,
line work overlapping. There's an aerial bridge that connects,
each of the upper levels of the parking deck with the multifamily building.
So everywhere you park, you're really only walking the distance from your car on that floor Right. To the bridge. And I understand that. And, certainly, we hope that everyone that lives in the multifamily will eat at these restaurants, but they may order food deliveries and grocery deliveries. So there's a I mean, even in my neighborhood, there's a constant stream of cars dropping in
driveways, at my house even,
dropping things off on a regular basis, and this will be hundreds of people getting regular deliveries in the evening.
And
I don't believe
those cars will go park in the deck and then walk it back over. So just realistically,
for the reality we're gonna live in,
what will happen? Are those cars just gonna queue up right in the street? And then will it be safe for emergency vehicles if we have
which I imagine in the evenings, there will be delivery vehicles just queued up along
the street. Is that we have an unsafe situation.
Right. So right now, the package and delivery loading spaces up at the north end of the multifamily East building has been sized to accommodate two trucks.
If there is a number that,
staff is looking for for us to hit in terms of a queuing length
for,
passenger cars for those types of food deliveries, we'd certainly be willing to look at that and add some more. I would just like to make sure we thought it through because I don't want to get to a situation we have a problem here and then it's not fixable. So it's possible there's enough space, but I would like to make sure.
That would be helpful what that queuing length would be relative to the Amazon trucks. Right. And not only multifamily East, but what about multifamily
West?
That can have some queuing
as well? Yeah. So those,
those residents, again, would have access through again, there's a bridge connecting the two buildings. They could get out that way
or,
over to Hill Rose Circle
to the north there. You can see there's some, head in parking
down in that area,
which is intended for the building a office, but certainly after hours that parking would be available to the multifamily residents and any deliveries they may be making. So is there anywhere
on the West Building where there could be a couple of spots allocated for some kind of
delivery queuing, or there's no space over there for that?
We would probably need to speak with fire about that right now. We've had the road set and clear between that
emergency access lane on the north side of the multifamily
building for,
primary aerial access.
So we wouldn't really want cars loading up in that area, and blocking their access, but we could certainly
discuss with them,
or maybe designate, you know, one or two of those
surface parking spaces
over off of Hill Rose. Well, I just wanna prepare for what's actually going to happen. That if cars are lined up there along that West Building, is that gonna create an unsafe situation? And if it is, we need to think it through now because it will be too late. Yep. Later.
Understood.
So since you're standing here Sure. The 10 foot multiuse trail on Oak Street, the developer will the it's not platted. Should that be platted now, Jeanne, or is that something that will be done later?
Transportation might be able to clarify this answer, but
this development doesn't
touch Oak Street.
Right. And therefore, it's not part of this development.
Right. But the developer is required to put the 10 foot in on Oak Street and the overlay is what it says. That was for part b.
That should be the part two of the, I guess,
Crossing Hill.
Okay. Yeah. So that's that wouldn't fall on this developer. It would be for any future development that Okay. That falls into that townhome.
Okay.
Thank you. Sorry.
I have another question. Okay.
Just out of curiosity, it
doesn't have anything to do with the, preliminary plat, but, are we do we have elevators in both the multifamily buildings?
Yes. Okay. And, what is the plan for accessible parking for these two buildings?
All of the assess accessible multifamily parking is located in the parking deck.
Again, the deck has would be designed to accommodate both van and standard ADA parking.
The office buildings all have ADA parking,
and the retail,
there's ADA
on Hill Street in those angled spaces, and then again south of Building A. Okay. And is there, an elevator in the parking deck? Yes. Okay. Great. Thank
you.
Sarah Williams again.
I know the townhome
isn't platted yet,
but that's for another time, but
same parking issues for that situation as well, for the deliveries for FedEx, for UPS, for Amazon.
So, yeah, the townhomes all have a two car garage.
We intend that their visitor parking, again, would would be part of the deck. Any of their deliveries would need to be off of Community Circle or Ellis as, you know, a single family development would be.
But where they're located, I just don't see
that that's what would happen in reality.
They're not gonna park a block away to come make a delivery
to the town. Yeah. Is is Alice going to be,
no parking
on that side of the street in front of the townhomes?
We're not dedicating any additional right of way for street parking on the West Side Of Ellis.
So is it going to be marked red as a fire lane in front
of the townhomes?
We can certainly add that if that's a request from fire.
We are not modifying any of
the curbing on Ellis Street as it stands today.
So, okay. I guess that's a that that's something to maybe bring up with transportation. I'm curious because it is marked on these on these drawings as
as spiraling.
It's at least that was my understanding. I could I could be mistaken. Can you clarify then for Hill Road Circle and,
Community Circle
if we will have any street parking
available, or is it all marked no parking?
All sides. All be marked no parking fire lane. Thank you.
A question?
Because what what is the plan for,
deliveries for the if we have restaurants?
Because those can happen at odd times and they are large trucks.
The primary loading for the retail buildings happens at commercial B or Building B.
There's
dumpster access there that's located interior to the building as well as loading,
so that's why we've sized that turnaround area for trucks to exit and egress,
on Hill Rose Circle back out onto Hill Street.
So if a 24 foot truck was delivering for thirty minutes, where would it be?
We would we would have it back into the Building B Loading Dock area.
And so that that is a deep loading dock on Building B? I don't have the exact dimensions, but Okay. There is loading in Building B. So so that is location for all of these buildings for drop off?
For the commercial uses. Yes. So it it's I guess, I have no idea what are what's in some of these buildings. But if there's
Building
F and that's a restaurant,
you drop off in Building B and cart it
through
the main
courtyard area That would be the intent. Into
I hope not through the front door, but some kind of side door.
Yeah. The the southern side is primarily for,
you know, loading and trash Okay. Service out of the buildings. And so we might be bringing trash through the courtyard area to get to the dumpster as well? No. It would all be routed exterior. We've we've, the sidewalk that runs on the south side would be
the intended path for that. Obviously, we can't control every user's day to day operations, but that's been the intent is to not have them route through the center courtyard.
And what is the sidewalk material, and how wide are those sidewalks to get around,
that interior street to the dumpster area?
I believe those are five foot sidewalks, and then it expands to an eight foot along Building B. What kind of material is the sidewalk made out of? All concrete. All concrete. No no block or anything?
I think there might be, paver banding
on the edges of it, just for aesthetics, but it's primarily concrete.
Thank you.
Other questions?
Thank you.
Can we get transportation?
Yes.
Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Can you clarify
on,
the curb
in front of that that townhome parcel if that will be no parking and if it'll be marked as such?
I think it will be signed for no parking, but they they will not be, will not be painted for fire.
Okay. Is that is that normal? I guess I just have to ask.
Is that optional? Is it something you do?
I mean, the fire department would determine whether they need it to be fire only.
But from transportation's perspective,
we don't want parking along there, but it I mean, at the same
time, I would say deliveries could happen, like Amazon, that type of stuff.
I mean, it happens on other streets throughout the city.
So
I don't foresee that being a problem. Hill Street or Ellis Street isn't
a large volume of traffic. So
I'm aware that
some of the parking in this area will be converted to paid parking.
Are you aware,
in transportation
of any plans for
patrolling or
enforcing, etcetera, now that we'll have the parking deck and other paid parking spots along this area?
I am not familiar with the paid
parking.
It would be legal coming up.
Yes. So we will be patrolling,
siting.
There'll be that dynamic pricing model that goes into the deck. So say, you know, Monday at lunch, maybe, like, a
a
dollar per hour, whatever.
Friday could be up to $3 per hour.
But, yes, there will be citations given. There will be enforcement,
and on using this as a revenue source ultimately to pay down the revenue bonds. But then also, once those revenue bonds are paying down are paid down, it's a revenue source for the city at that point. Right. Right. That's that's in an ideal world, it makes money. Mhmm.
So did we foresee potentially
citing Amazon and FedEx and Uber and Uber Eats and all of these folks that are tending to stop for twenty minutes sometimes? And I I was gonna say I was gonna bring that up as they're all good questions with the Amazon
and any emergency vehicle access that's blocked. That is gonna be a code and police issue, and I'm gonna look over at my fire folks. And the first time that they're unable to do their job,
that's gonna then fall on police to go in. Alright. This can't happen again. And if it does, tickets are gonna be issued or we're gonna step up enforcement there. So it's sort of the different levers of the city pulling out each other to make sure an emergency situation is attended to in the quick
watch those response times. I know fire reports on them keeps that data. So if that starts to taper down, that's something we don't wanna see as a city.
K. Thank you.
Any other questions?
Is there anyone from the public that would like to make a comment?
No?
Alright. Is there any discussion?
Carol?
Well, hang on a second.
So
in looking through the
what is this called?
The staff recommended
modifications.
Number 12
under the
under b
about the LDP approval.
Should that word developer be owner?
Question yesterday. I think that's a question for transportation.
Possibly legal.
I think legal. I'm trying to find it.
This was a discussion we had in the overlay too. Is it the new owner versus developer?
Right.
I don't remember where we landed.
A change to owner would actually
be preferable.
Well, I think the issue is some of this is city owned, and so,
like, that's relative to sidewalks. I think that's part of it. Yeah. It says note number
12. And not to give give too much, I guess, too much away, but there will be a a purchase option as part of this. So there is a chance that the city doesn't always own this prop.
Okay.
And I'm trying to look long term that maybe maybe owner is And that's what I think you had said maybe during the overlay, it would be handled in the agreements, and so that's why you weren't concerned about it.
Can we find the staff note that generated
this item? Owner and or developer,
just to catch all.
Okay. Yeah.
I think my concern during the overlay process was just to ensure that we didn't put it on a developer because they go away.
Right. Right? And we just wanna make sure that the long term
maintenance is on somebody.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Good. So you'd like to see it say owner and or developer. Is that correct? Okay. What about for the townhouses? Because will the HOA be responsible for that? That's that just that section, like, what will happen there? Yes. The the HOA for that will be responsible for that. Those those will be parceled out in fee simple, but then there'll be an HOA, and we're working on the covenants for that. So they'll be responsible for them. They'll be the owner of the HOA. Okay.
Yes. Hold on.
We we we did discuss I know. I know.
We did discuss yesterday with staff the
the,
townhome
parcel
and how,
we we are not parceling that up today or we're it's not showing today because,
you know, we still need to figure some things out with the parking deck and, you know, in part probably the order of of those things are being built,
to not make it difficult. But,
we weren't really sure how,
the preliminary plat for the townhomes
was,
needed to come forward for this. Is it going to be a modification of this
of this preliminary
plat, or is it going to be a new and separate
preliminary plat because it's going to be
subdivided
off of the preliminary plat for this? I mean, so it's in flight.
Yeah. Sometime, it's going to be different owned by potentially somebody else.
And, obviously, the lots will be owned by somebody else.
I just wanna make sure that that all of the language we're using for this preliminary plat and the way that it needs to go to final plat is not
complicated by the fact that we're separating potentially
the townhome lot.
I believe the plan last time we've gone through a couple iterations of this because this this has come up and been
sort of the whack a mole of how to how to attack this. And I I believe the the plan we've come to is we want to amend this preliminary plat once
the townhomes are parceled out so that it comes back again and then the final plat is done with everything reflected on there. Okay. That's that's what we've decided on now,
But we've gone through a couple different iterations, but we think that's the best path forward. Okay. So so for anybody listening to this in the future tonight, it sounds like,
when the townhome,
lot,
is finalized,
and, you know, where the townhome lots are going to be, you'll come back to planning commission
for,
a change to preliminary plat. And and hopefully, all of this gets developed during the same time line
before we get, sort of occupancy.
Yeah?
Yep. Okay. Thank you. You're confirming. Thank you. Okay.
Carol?
Okay.
The same document here,
section c, the advisory comments.
Number two,
it says access for requested inspection is required between the hours of eight and four without exception. Please be aware that
required between the hours of eight and four. Without exception, please be aware that city of Roswell must formally review any proposed changes or modifications
to the approved plans before implementation is authorized.
Is that mayor and council?
So I think she's also talking about, number Five. Five. Yes. Please be aware that the city of Roswell must formally review any proposed changes. So is that
staff, mayor, and council?
Yeah. I think just clarifying what the intent there is, I think, is helpful, and then we can figure it out.
Clarifying what the intent is because
what we our our existing code should cover these things, but I wanna make sure that we're not Mhmm. Modifying them Right. Our existing code by having these statements. Right.
Can you repeat which number again?
It's numbers two and five
under c
of the new packet that you gave us
that says the following, our advisory comments.
So,
number two is access for requested inspection is required
between the hours of eight and four without exception. Please be aware that the city of Roswell
must formally review any proposed changes or modification to the approved
or
to the approved
or implementation
is
Right. Should the city of Roswell be mayor and council?
No. That is a standard
note
that I believe it's building or engineering
ads. So
they're just covering their basis to say
that if you build it different than what you
have proposed and been approved,
you have to go back through.
Right. So that's the building division then. So in number one, we called it the building division
just because we don't usually do it this way, adopting modifications like this. So that's why we didn't include these in the slide. I think based on yesterday's discussion,
we acknowledge that these were the leftover comments that weren't required
and were advisory in nature. So don't you don't need to
adopt them as modifications,
to the plan unless you want to.
Just acknowledging
that these are comments that are in the system
that are advisory and not required to move forward in the process?
Well, number five
sits on its own, and it's not talking necessarily about
anything specific. It just says, please be aware that the city of Roswell must formally review any proposed changes or modifications to the approved plans before
mayor and council?
No. So, again, these are always
in
the plan review comments.
So because we aggregated the plan review comments into these
modifications
for your use,
took the balance of things that aren't required on the final plat or the LDP and we put this in in the advisory.
So
the the words
are intentional
and they're spoken from the varying review staff. The back of your packet includes
the breakdown of what review. So, of course, this was fire's comments
and it is
they make on every preliminary advisory
comment.
So number five is meant to be piggybacked off number four. Is that correct? Because five sits on its own. That's why I was asking that question.
Four is from the building regulations
comments, and five is from the fire marshal's comments.
Well, on the new packet that you gave us, four is the fire marshal, and five stands alone.
And five is please be aware that the city of Roswell must formally review
any proposed changes or modifications to the approved plans
before implementation
is authorized.
Do you remember what?
Bear with me one second, ma'am. Sure.
Hey. It is another comment. You can see at the
balance of your packet, the fire the comments that actually came and are
invited in
apartments.
It is the please be aware.
Roswell.
Is a fire comment, so it sits
independent of I mean, it's a it they assisted the comments, but
you get them as a packet, and we aggregated them into advice.
Right. So two is building division and five is fire.
K. Does that help, Carol? Yeah.
Jeanne, we also had had the boilerplate language we've been using on preliminary plots about no variances have been
approved with this that have not been
expressly requested. Is that on this drawing? I mean, it might be there. I can't see it because it's very small.
I am not confident that it is this time.
So it is something that you could have. Okay.
Alright. Carol has another question.
Sorry.
For the comments from the water department,
the first paragraph
starts
it it I'm I'm wondering if there's some verbiage that's missing
before it starts two vaults, four sitting side by side.
Is there anything missing before that?
I I took it that it's just,
you know, like, r, the sitting side by
side.
And we did not. We were not able to have a representative from water.
Probably just left off actually now reading it what the bolts were.
Right. Because it starts with the lowercase
letter and isn't a complete sentence.
So
okay.
There are comments.
K. Well Any more questions?
Any more questions?
Alright. Any other questions for the applicant or city staff?
Right. Any discussion, planning commission members?
Eric?
I'm sorry about that. You know,
I may regret
asking about this, but we we do have a tree plan, I suppose.
We we have listed the trees. Jackie. You know?
It is a,
challenging topic at the moment.
That's why we're all here. Yep.
Arborist at the moment until our Congratulations.
Three weeks. Three weeks.
There is a tree inventory that was done completely. It should have been in your packet. Yes. A Every tree,
and we put the condition on there related to the specimen trees that they have to take care of. And in the LDP currently, that is
all the trees are being looked at for that. And just so you know, since I'm not technically officially an architect,
I am working with the landscape architect that, we do have in Rec and Parks
Oh, thank you. Related to this the LDP.
Okay.
K.
Any questions for Jackie about the tree plan?
Eric? I'm gonna do it for the public.
It does seem to me that that we we are replacing
any removed trees with the required number of trees.
Is it just that requirement or is it more than what is required
that you're aware of? The tree,
so I believe they're replacing,
all this all the trees. Basically, if you've looked at that, most of the trees are coming out. Yep.
And
based on what I've been looking at
is that they are doing a replacement for all the specimen trees,
and they are required to meet 10 units per acre,
as indicated in the overlay.
There will be a number of trees that are coming back.
However, as you can see, it is an urban plan. So but they are going to be providing a number of a variety of different trees that are on the plans. I've not finished that. Like I said, working with the landscape architect and rec and parks to just double check everything.
There are however, I was looking at this earlier. There are a number of trees that are gonna be screening the back portion of the parking deck. They're using green drying arborvita back there,
and there's a variety of other trees in there.
But still currently doing the review.
So haven't finished and just literally started today. Right. So some of the some of the trees will be,
you know, in the various landscape opportunities, but we'll also have trees as part of the required tree,
numbers,
for trans or I guess for for the streets. Right? For the streetscape? Yep. Streetscape plant. Yep. They're on they're on their drawings. Lines. Correct. Yes. Great. Thank you. Welcome.
Thank
you.
Any other questions?
Thank you, Eric.
Right.
Had a water accident up here. It's like Okay. I think we're on track. Okay.
Alright.
Are there any other questions, comments? Are we ready to make a motion?
I would like to make a comment. Okay. I would really
like the
developer
to
relook at everything seriously
with regard to the,
the parking, the drop off, the UPS, the FedEx, the
just picking up a friend at the at a community,
dropping off someone, picking up for soccer just all these different things that people are just not gonna go in that parking deck to go do. They're just not going to do it. So it's a matter of how is it actually going to work realistically
and take that into consideration
because I don't wanna have this brand new
fabulous
shopping place and and living
area and restaurants and it's so great And all we hear about is how congested it is, there's no place to park, and there's always trucks and things in the way, and you can't get around. And I just don't wanna hear that from people. We need to plan ahead and do it right.
So please, please, please take these things into consideration of how people actually live and work and and,
shop.
Thank you.
Other comments?
Questions? Are we ready for a motion?
Need to change that one from
developer to owner
and or developer. Owner and or developer. Yeah. Okay.
Jeannie, so if we adopt the modifications
on your slides, you have the missing number 17 that ours don't have. Correct? Yeah. The all roads profile. So as long as we adopt
your presentation, if you will,
that will be covered?
Okay. As presented. As presented. Alright.
And then
we're just gonna make the change to add owner and or developer
on number 12
of the b.
Presented
modifications? Were you gonna add the no variances? I'm gonna add that at the front, and then we'll incorporate the modifications.
Thank you.
Okay.
And where did we land on whether or not we pick up these advisory comments and our modifications? Because they were not in your presentation. Correct?
Correct. So we would just need to read those into
the record if we wanted to adopt those?
Or just
I guess I talked
yesterday.
Eric, can you I'm sorry if you felt that way. I was very supportive of that. I was I was just clarifying.
And that meeting yesterday, you were you were you know, Jeanne read through those those items.
And,
you know, I just remembered that perhaps I was scolded at one point by Jeanne,
in a previous meeting
around trying to add a modification of existing code, and it just seemed very much the same thing. So,
I'm very supportive of restating the obvious. And even if it's even if it's in our code, if staff members are asking for it because Right. I'm not gonna get it. Staff members to ensure that they get things on here that they need even if it's already in our code.
Okay. So I don't need to read them all?
Okay.
Because they're in the report that's online. Right?
Okay.
Alright.
You ready?
Why don't I make a motion?
I can make a motion to Okay.
It's Kitty Singleton.
For agenda item, two zero two five three nine seven two Hill Street mixed use Development preliminary plat.
I move we approve the preliminary plat with the following following modifications.
One,
no variances have been granted that were not expressly
requested.
Two,
to adopt staff recommended modifications
as presented
for the final plat
and the LDP approval
with the following change, number 12 under LDP approval should change developer to owner and or developer.
And three,
the modifications
from the staff report under advisory comments
are also added to the modification.
Capture?
Is
that
Yes. Alright. Do we have a second?
Eric Schumacher. Jason Frazier's second. We've heard a lot from Eric tonight. Just let Jason have that. All in favor?
Unanimous?
K.
Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes from
July 21 meeting? This is our work session for the Hill Street overlay.
We have any changes or modifications to the minutes. Do we have a motion to approve?
I think everybody was there, so anyone can motion.
Motion to approve minutes for the July 21
Do we have a second? 2025
PC special called meeting. Okay. Second from Pooja Gardner.
All in favor approving the minutes from July 21. It's unanimous.
Alright. Do we have anything else, Jeannie?
Great. Thank you ladies very much. Good evening. We're adjourned.