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Historic Preservation Commission Meeting

VIDEO Historic Preservation Commission May 14, 2025 at 06:00 PM Processed: Jul 04, 2025 at 06:57 PM

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Duration: 53 minutes

Speakers: 7

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Speaker 1

Alright. Good evening. Today is 05/14/2025,

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Speaker 1

and welcome to the Roswell Historical Preservation Commission.

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Speaker 1

I'm gonna read to you a little bit about the commission, the district, and what we do here this evening. The current Roswell Historical Preservation Commission was established in 1988

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Speaker 1

with the mission to protect and preserve the historical and archaeological

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Speaker 1

resources within the boundaries of the district.

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Speaker 1

The commission is composed of dedicated volunteers who are appointed by mayor and city council to carry out the design review process and other tasks as outlined in section 13 of the unified development

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code. My name is Philip Mansell, and I am the historical preservation commission chair. The HPC commission members are,

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Lossy Lively, Gertesh Narang, and Mary Nichols.

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Speaker 1

Tonight, we have with us from the city of Roswell zoning

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planning and zoning staff, Shay Dixon.

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Speaker 1

The process will begin with staff presenting the application. This presentation will include applicable codes and guideline and staff recommendation based on our UDC and desired guidelines,

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as well as the secretary of interior standards for rehabilitation

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of historic properties and our historic district master plan.

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Speaker 1

Commission members may then ask questions to city staff regarding the application. Next, the applicant will present the project and commission members may ask questions and or clarification in regards to the application.

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Speaker 1

Commission members may then ask questions to the city staff regarding the application.

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Speaker 1

Then we will take public comments, which is limited to three minutes per speaker.

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Speaker 1

The applicant may have rebuttal to public comment if so desired.

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Speaker 1

The commission will have further discussion if needed, then we will call for a motion, which will require a second to that motion and then a vote.

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Speaker 1

Another motion may be offered. At that time, anyone aggrieved by a decision of the HPC has the right to appeal to mayor and city council.

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Speaker 1

Such an appeal must be filed with the planning and zoning direct director within thirty days of the decision.

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Speaker 1

Thank you, and let's get started.

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Speaker 1

Okay.

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Speaker 1

Tonight, for certificate of appropriateness, we have HPC 20251400.

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Speaker 1

That's 982 Canton Street.

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Speaker 1

It's for exterior renovations.

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Speaker 2

That's

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Speaker 4

all right. Thank you. Oh, it is right here. I'm just not seeing it. You have all that?

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Speaker 4

I know all the all the preparedness in the world. You know?

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Speaker 4

Best laid plans of mice and men.

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Speaker 4

Good evening, commissioners, mister chairman.

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Speaker 4

First State your name, please. Apologies, sir. Shay Dixon, city of Roswell planning and zoning staff.

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Speaker 4

Our first agenda item for today is 982

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Speaker 4

Canton Street. It's a certificate of appropriateness

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Speaker 4

for an exterior renovation

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Speaker 4

to a non historic structure.

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Speaker 4

The renovation would

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Speaker 4

include the painting of the currently unpainted red brick to blue,

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Speaker 4

removing of 10 white door columns and replacing them with four straight wood columns,

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Speaker 4

updating exterior furniture and finishings, and adding opaque film to some of the windows.

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Speaker 4

The proposal also includes

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a repainting of some already painted surfaces, which HPC would have limited jurisdiction over due to, current state laws.

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Speaker 4

This was its application was submitted to the city, in April.

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Speaker 4

Passed staff reviews here earlier this month is now before the board.

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Speaker 4

The background here, this is the existing front facade of 92 Canton Street. This is as you're going down Norcross towards Canton Street. This is the very last building you see.

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Speaker 4

This is from the sidewalk. Here's a little bit of a better view of the entire structure from the sidewalk.

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Speaker 4

The architecture of this building is a Greek revival style. It's actually a newer building. It was approved by HPC in 02/2006,

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Speaker 4

completed in 02/2007.

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Speaker 4

Despite that, it's considered a building that was built

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Speaker 4

very much to the architectural standards of design of the late nineteenth century.

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Speaker 4

Very much trying to match some of the architectural elements

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Speaker 4

of our Greek revival homes across the city. A little bit different in certain elements. It doesn't have a full

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full height entryway like many of the Greek revival homes in Roswell do, but still has many of the different architectural elements such as the dork square columns,

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such as transom windows and sidelight windows to its front door,

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as well as the lines on the top of the structure, though they're not as prominent as the Greek revival homes are.

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Speaker 4

View from the opposing sidewalk, kinda get more of the context of the immediate area here.

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Speaker 4

And this is the rear facade. While there is an HPC minor currently applied for for some changes to the rear facade, all the changes for the HPC major are only on the front and side. So this would be generally uninvolved except for painting surfaces that are already painted.

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Speaker 4

Now the property itself is rated as intrusion on the 2003

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historic resources inventory survey.

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Speaker 4

That is before this building was built. Currently, if we were

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Speaker 4

this building, most likely, it would be considered non historic under our current definitions, not intrusion.

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Speaker 4

It's downtown mixed use zoning. That's DX zoning. And it has a history dating back all the way to at least 1911.

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Speaker 4

We have,

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Speaker 4

you can see here on the top right corner, a map from Roswell of 1911,

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Speaker 4

including a single family residence that was on the property during this time frame.

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This prop this single family residence was here at least until

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Speaker 4

around 1968.

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Speaker 4

After that point, it doesn't show up on any other aerial photographs, but commercial buildings immediately to its west due. Presumably, it was torn down during that time frame to accommodate those buildings.

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Speaker 4

The property was mostly vacant,

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until,

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for some time, but it was included in expansion of the historic district in 1987.

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Speaker 4

Norcross Street was actually supposed to go and continue through this property in 1990, but the expansion was never fully developed, just proposed.

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Speaker 4

There were some minor changes before in 2006

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when the current structure was approved by HBC

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Speaker 4

along with some HBC minors and a couple of variances for their setbacks.

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Speaker 4

Continuing

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Speaker 4

on, there are a few various changes, a few various minor changes to the front and back porch

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between 2006 and the modern day, a few small but minor variances.

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Speaker 4

Restaurants have switched out there a few switched out of there a few different times,

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Speaker 4

But,

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Speaker 4

excuse me.

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Speaker 4

But generally speaking,

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it's been mostly a restaurant and office space since

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Speaker 4

this time frame.

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Speaker 4

It was approved to have a sidewalk cafe license with the business that was there circa 2020.

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Speaker 4

And then now twenty twenty twenty five, we have new application

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for exterior changes.

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Speaker 4

Moving on, this is the proposed front facade.

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Speaker 4

The primary changes you can see here are the replacement of the door columns,

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Speaker 4

a painting of the red brick into a blue. You can also see in this image here, you can see the basket lighting that's going to be that would be replacing the lighting on the front porch. You can also kind of see off to the left there the change of the wood paint that is the wood

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Speaker 4

side of the structure

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Speaker 4

that is currently a greenish yellowish cream color into a dark blue to match the rest of the brick.

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Speaker 4

This is the alternatively proposed front facade. The applicants have submitted images and renderings for both,

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Speaker 4

to paint the brick or not to paint the brick.

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Speaker 4

This would be if the brick remained unpainted, as HPC has mentioned in previous work sessions as a suggestion.

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Speaker 4

This is the, proposed mural mural that would be on the wood part of the structure. This is an already painted part of the structure as I've mentioned. So there isn't exactly much HPC would be able to approve or disprove this,

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but the applicants, included it into the design package for HPC's viewing.

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Speaker 4

The site plan here includes some of the furniture that's gonna be put out onto the property, a little bit of a more reactivation

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of the front space as it relates to the Canton Street sidewalk and pedestrian area.

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Speaker 4

And staff is recommending this particular proposal for a,

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Speaker 4

approval with conditions. However, we're going to have eight conditions recommended today, so we're gonna go through them one by one instead of just going through this list, and hopefully be able to explain a little bit of,

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what staff was going through for this process and try to explain,

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our

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frame of mind here,

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the full list here.

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Speaker 4

Starting off is just the recommendation that the unpainted brick remain unpainted.

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Speaker 4

This is something that HBC's previously discussed in work sessions to

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keep what is unpainted, unpainted.

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Speaker 4

Generally speaking, this is a very prominent building, both on Canton Street and on Norcross, and it's continues to hold a very historical style even though it isn't a historical building itself. The only other thing is that once a natural surface is painted, HPC no longer has any ability to control what color that becomes. So

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even if even if HPC is approving of this blue color,

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next applicant's cub come a decade later and choose to paint it chartreuse or pink and whatever they would like, and they would have that ability.

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Speaker 4

And that's just according to how state laws,

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apply to local HPCs. That's the the careful thing to take when it comes to painting of a natural surface.

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Speaker 4

I did wanna mention across the street, there is a blue painted building.

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Speaker 4

This building was already painted,

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previously and was repainted this color. And this is kind of an example of how some of the buildings can,

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Speaker 4

be repainted in any color that a, a property owner chooses

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after HPC approves, a paint once.

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Speaker 4

So this is there is some precedence of this color or these types of colors on Canton Street, but not necessarily something that HPC's previously approved in the past.

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Speaker 4

I should also mention that this building here isn't as prominent of a structure as 92 is, at least,

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as it as it refers to both the intersection of Norcross and Canton.

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Speaker 4

The second recommendation

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is that the HPC still continue to say that the mural must follow your easy requirements.

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Speaker 4

This isn't anything

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this isn't anything particular in asking the applicants to change what the mural looks like. HPC wouldn't really have that jurisdiction.

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Speaker 4

But we wanna make sure that we make it clear that HPC isn't trying to say this mural doesn't have to follow the UDC requirements that are in place.

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Speaker 4

HBC can't necessarily approve or disprove,

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approve or deny

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this, particular mural proposal.

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So I just wanna make sure that we,

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include the fact that the UDC requirements are still in place,

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despite the fact that we'd be voting on this particular mural.

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Speaker 4

Moving on,

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staff recommends

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the inclusion of Doric style, capitals

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to the straight post the straight post columns that are being proposed.

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The dork style of column is a very essential part of the Greek revival architecture that the structure is currently in.

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Speaker 4

And the current proposed columns don't include any of the dork design that you would see, generally speaking. So the proposal would just or the recommended condition would just be to include

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those,

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Doric capital designs on the tops

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of those columns. We can switch here and see

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oh, I apologize. There is supposed to be another slide there. Oh, there it is. A little out of order. I apologize for that. Any one of these, Doric Square column examples would be perfectly fine. Just the capitals to add to the top of the currently proposed,

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Speaker 4

straight post columns to add that little extra sense of, historical architecture to the building while still being able to give the applicants the columns they're really looking for.

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Speaker 4

Going back for one second. I apologize for the slide being out of order. That's my bad.

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Speaker 4

The fourth recommendation for condition is that the umbrellas

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be a darker faded

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earth tone color instead of their proposed green just to fit in more with the furniture that's already out in Canton Street and the historical context as a whole.

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Speaker 4

The other part of this condition

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is that the planters that will be used, the wooden planters, like we previously saw in other HPC work sessions

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instead of,

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the metal planters. These could these could just be included in the building plans. It doesn't really necessarily have to be a whole another HPC administrative application

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just to streamline the process for the applicants while still making sure we try to adhere to historical context as best as possible.

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Speaker 4

Moving on, we have

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a recommendation for conditions of screening an electrical box that's to one side of the building.

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Speaker 4

There are multiple electrical boxes on the property, but most of them are rather close to the right of way and aren't really able to be screened. There's just no space. But this one's right next to the sidewalk. It's very prominent

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Speaker 4

and still has enough space to have at least a small fence or small shrubbery around it,

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to be able to screen it from the right of way. Strict screening of electrical boxes and other equipment is a UDC requirement, though we aren't

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though generally speaking, we wouldn't try to

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force them to have to follow what's already not been followed previously in the past. I'm trying to word that correctly.

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Speaker 4

So long as it's not increasing the nonconformity,

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we wouldn't usually try to ask for it. But since this seems like a relatively

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Speaker 4

limited

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Speaker 4

fix, we wanna try to make it as part of this HPC major application

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Speaker 4

to screen this particular box at least.

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Speaker 4

Here we can see the other electrical boxes are a little bit smaller on the other side of the property. They are already partially screened by shrubbery and a small, stonework wall.

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Speaker 4

Still visible from the right of way. There's just not enough space to really ask for any fencing or shrubbery there as it's a little bit different for the other electrical box.

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Speaker 4

Moving on to six. This is actually something that's the applicants already worked towards meeting, but their current proposed new lighting package didn't previously

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meet the photometric requirements

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of,

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the UDC.

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Usually, we'd be looking for under 1.5

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foot candles of lights leaving the property or leaving the right of way,

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entering the right of way. And their previous proposal had upwards of six foot candles exiting the the right of way.

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Speaker 4

Applicants have already submitted a new design. It just wasn't in time to include it into this presentation and in the proposal. So we still recommend keeping the condition here, but applicants have already

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Speaker 4

seven would just be a recommendation, not necessarily a condition for approval. Just to suggest that the applicants consider wrought iron or black metal furniture instead of a more modern metal furniture.

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Speaker 4

It's isn't really anything that is required. The modern seating is relatively

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relatively cohesive with much of Canton Street.

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Speaker 4

Still not

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Speaker 4

still not

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Speaker 4

not uncohesive

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Speaker 4

with the rest of the historical context, but

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nothing special in particular. So just a recommendation

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that applicants consider,

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Speaker 4

wrought iron or black metal instead,

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Speaker 4

but not to require it for

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approval. And lastly, to specifically mention that

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the HPC minor, anything labeled as being part of the HPC minor, not be approved as part of the HPC major, just because that's not something that has been reviewed as part of the HBC major, just to keep the two proposals separate procedurally.

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Speaker 4

That would just be the only other thing here is the recommendation eight.

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Speaker 4

In general, the proposal is a little bit more modern in appearance that might be appropriate for the historic district in the Upper Canton Street character area.

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Speaker 4

And as it currently stands, there are several parts that might not meet the UDC.

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Speaker 4

But with the staff recommended conditions as well as any conditions that HPC offers,

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we're fairly confident that this can be brought into something that would majorly contribute to

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Speaker 4

the context of the area as well as the activity that's there on Canyon Street. And, that's all I have. Thank you. Alright. Thank you, Shay. And let's call the applicant forward.

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Speaker 3

How are y'all this evening? Good. How are you? Good.

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Speaker 3

State your name for the record. Sorry. Alexis Kinsey. I'm the owner of Taqueria Tsunami.

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Speaker 5

And I'm Mallory Hamilton with Uncommon Studios.

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Speaker 3

That's no. Okay. Do you you've got it. Awesome. Yeah. I wanna make sure. We just have remarks.

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Speaker 3

Yeah. That's all.

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Speaker 3

So,

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Speaker 3

basically, I'm

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relocating Taqueria tsunami from Holcomb Bridge. Hopefully, we're a well known brand at this point.

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Speaker 3

We purchased the building on Canton Street in hopes to just relocate our leases up on Holcomb Bridge.

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Speaker 3

As a restaurateur, I very well know this industry. It is extremely

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Speaker 3

difficult

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Speaker 3

to make it. It's a 65 at least percent sick fail rate for restaurants.

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Speaker 3

And I'm just telling you this not because it really applies to your all's

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Speaker 3

while you're sitting here today, but it really applies

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Speaker 3

to my business and being successful.

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Speaker 3

And my concern and I agree and we're okay with a lot of these changes, but I think some of the major

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Speaker 3

improvements we wanted to do to the building will impact our visibility

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Speaker 3

and make an impact on that street

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Speaker 3

and

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in good taste.

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Speaker 3

So,

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Speaker 3

you know, it's an investment that we're putting. I'm gonna probably spend $700,000

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Speaker 3

or get a loan for $700,000

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Speaker 3

for this build out and hope that this restaurant makes it. That's a lot of tacos that I have to sell to even break even or become profitable at one point. So the paint is a huge expense. And the reason we've we're, you know, we've come to two other meetings and are proposing it today is because we're really passionate about doing something to the front of that building that I think is gonna help launch this business where it needs to be from the get.

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Speaker 3

So I just wanna start with that. If we wanna go

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Speaker 3

through, I guess, some of the comments

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Speaker 3

or suggestions,

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Speaker 3

I think

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Speaker 3

the paint is the biggest. The paint, obviously, and I don't know if you wanna start with the biggest or if you wanna end with the biggest.

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Speaker 3

I'll leave it to you.

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Speaker 3

But

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Speaker 3

so the planners

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Speaker 3

were okay with swapping out the metal planners for something else.

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Speaker 3

I think we had some suggestions.

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Speaker 5

Yes. And I can pull that up. I do have alternates.

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Speaker 5

We didn't know we'd have a chance to actually present something, but I do have alternates to show. But we do have

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Speaker 5

wood look planters that we're happy to swap

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Speaker 5

out the metal ones for, the black metal ones.

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Speaker 5

So I think we were good there.

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Speaker 2

Oh, do you have an order?

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Speaker 5

It's just on my computer.

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Speaker 5

I think last time we were here, I was able to plug in

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Speaker 5

and project if I don't know how you guys did that before, though, honestly.

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Speaker 3

Okay.

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Speaker 3

So we obviously, we took some time and did review the notes that were received and really put some thought into it. We took that and also based

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Speaker 3

our feedback and hopefully a resolution on the two previous conversations we had at this podium.

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Speaker 3

And then

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Speaker 3

with that with that context,

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Speaker 3

did come up with a couple alternatives

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Speaker 3

to, what was initially proposed.

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Speaker 3

So Mallory will pull up the planners.

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Speaker 3

I'm completely fine screening the utility box. I think it's ugly anyway, so I think that would be a treatment

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Speaker 3

to the side of the street.

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Speaker 3

The furniture, I would really like to keep because that is part of our brand. And if you own a business or you're familiar with marketing, you do wanna have some consistencies

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Speaker 3

between your,

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Speaker 3

your restaurants that resembles what you are. So

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Speaker 3

ideally, keeping the current furniture that was proposed would be ideal.

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Speaker 3

Our green umbrellas our green umbrellas are also pretty iconic to the brand,

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Speaker 3

and it is a statement.

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Speaker 3

I'm not completely opposed to looking at a different color. We don't have it in any other location.

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Speaker 3

The column

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Speaker 3

the columns, I think, are fine using the Doric design with that was proposed.

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Speaker 3

So I'm not opposed to that either.

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Speaker 3

I think that was everything except the paint.

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Speaker 3

How late are you guys here for?

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Speaker 1

We got all that.

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Speaker 3

Fine.

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Speaker 4

And, and the lighting the lighting was okay. Right? Yes. The new lighting packages is Great. Okay. Okay. We're the only reason stats are recommending to keep it in there.

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Speaker 3

Okay.

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Speaker 3

Yeah.

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Speaker 3

Okay. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 3

originally, we presented the the metal planners,

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Speaker 3

but hopefully, you all would be okay with that wood

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Speaker 3

or faux wood finish.

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Speaker 3

And then,

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Speaker 3

the other concept was to incorporate some of our white planners, and maybe those go up at the top by the doorways or they go in between each wood planner because there is a fairly significant amount of space that would just break up the monotony of those planners altogether, like, at the road.

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Speaker 3

So that was the the updated

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Speaker 3

concept.

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Speaker 3

Yep.

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Speaker 6

So instead of a Grutezhneurang, so instead of having that chain link fence, we'll just have planners.

24:44
Speaker 3

Okay. Get rid of the chain link fence.

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Speaker 3

I think

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Speaker 2

I have a this is Mary Nichols. I have a question. Okay. So you've looked at these eight

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Speaker 2

conditions or recommendations.

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Speaker 2

And of the eight

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Speaker 2

I mean, I know you wanna keep the umbrellas.

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Speaker 2

You wanna keep your color.

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Speaker 2

I don't really have an issue with the green umbrellas. I mean, I don't I think that

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Speaker 2

I mean, if we're gonna go step by step, I guess what my question to you guys would be, what

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Speaker 2

are you okay with? Are you okay with every I mean, I know that you want number one,

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Speaker 2

and,

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Speaker 2

we aren't even talking about the mural

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Speaker 2

yet.

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Speaker 2

The columns, you're okay with the columns?

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Speaker 2

Yes. Okay.

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Speaker 2

The umbrellas, you'd like to have your green umbrellas? Yes. Okay.

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Speaker 2

The screening, you're okay because you didn't like that anyway. The, lighting, you're okay with? Yes. The updated lighting package.

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Speaker 2

The,

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Speaker 2

chairs and tables, I know that you said you wanna keep your

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Speaker 2

and I don't know that they looked that metal.

25:59
Speaker 5

I mean So we did pull,

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Speaker 5

we tried to look at

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Speaker 5

existing

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Speaker 5

restaurants, go down the street, kind of like we've been doing with this whole project, just to see how relevant,

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Speaker 5

you know, what we're trying to propose works or doesn't work,

26:14
Speaker 5

you know, folds into what's happening on, Canton Street. And we have,

26:19
Speaker 5

one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight different restaurants

26:23
Speaker 5

that also have silver

26:25
Speaker 5

wood, silver

26:27
Speaker 5

color, silver.

26:28
Speaker 5

So

26:29
Speaker 5

from our standpoint, it seems that

26:32
Speaker 5

the furniture

26:33
Speaker 5

that we are proposing actually goes very well with what else is on, Canton Street.

26:39
Speaker 5

So and I can share this whole list with you. But,

26:43
Speaker 5

so it would be great if we could keep

26:46
Speaker 5

her brand standard furniture.

26:49
Speaker 2

Okay.

26:54
Speaker 2

So really all we have left then are the is The paper mural. And the mural. And I don't know.

27:02
Speaker 2

Can we

27:03
Speaker 2

since your staff

27:04
Speaker 2

recommendation is for

27:06
Speaker 2

muted or

27:08
Speaker 2

the umbrellas to be not bright green, if that's part of their I want we want you to succeed too. I mean, and we're that's what we're about as well, but we wanna make it,

27:18
Speaker 2

you know, blend with the rest of the historic district. So

27:23
Speaker 2

I don't have a problem with the green umbrellas personally. But,

27:28
Speaker 5

I don't know if this is reaching. This might be reaching. But the building he showed,

27:33
Speaker 5

that had the blue, it also has an accent of lime green on it around the windows that's basically across the street. And so I don't know if that does. That might be worse.

27:44
Speaker 3

That might be.

27:46
Speaker 5

But I'm like, hey. It ties into something, so it's not totally foreign.

27:51
Speaker 1

This this is Philip Mansell.

27:53
Speaker 1

I I really don't have a problem with the with the umbrellas and the the furniture.

28:00
Speaker 1

I mean, it's not

28:02
Speaker 1

tied down to the building.

28:04
Speaker 1

That's your brand. So I I don't really see anything wrong with that, especially since this isn't in the historical district. It's intruding.

28:13
Speaker 1

The,

28:14
Speaker 1

I mean, obviously, the main issue is the paint.

28:18
Speaker 1

I personally really like the the color that you guys have picked out. I think that they would look fabulous down there. But the problem is if we do that, then we're pigeonholed for generations to come.

28:29
Speaker 1

And

28:30
Speaker 1

I'm afraid that

28:32
Speaker 1

it's

28:33
Speaker 1

nobody's gonna vote in your favor on that.

28:36
Speaker 3

So is it a fact that no building

28:40
Speaker 3

that is currently red brick would be approved?

28:44
Speaker 2

Would be approved today?

28:46
Speaker 3

Yeah. I mean,

28:47
Speaker 3

the because there's a lot of there's a I mean, obviously, a lot of I mean, there's a lot of I understand where you're coming from too, and I obviously would never want that building to be painted something

28:59
Speaker 3

but

29:01
Speaker 3

just keeping everything

29:03
Speaker 3

red brick. Yeah.

29:06
Speaker 1

I I agree with you. I I think it is the stupidest law.

29:10
Speaker 1

I I there is no reason behind it at all. If it's in a historic district and it wants to get painted, then it should come in front of the the council and let them approve it or not. Not just

29:21
Speaker 1

paint it once and then you can paint it however you want for the rest of the time. That's dumb.

29:40
Speaker 1

So you're you're gonna have a hard time getting the commissioners to to side with you on that. And

29:46
Speaker 1

the

29:47
Speaker 1

what's it? What's

29:48
Speaker 1

the blue one right down? Lola.

29:51
Speaker 1

Lola. Yeah. Lowes. That have been painted up. Yeah. Lowes.

29:55
Speaker 1

That that happened before

29:57
Speaker 1

Before. Before we were here. Yeah.

30:03
Speaker 1

Yeah.

30:05
Speaker 1

I don't know if that could Is there anything else?

30:08
Speaker 2

Is there is there anything other than the green umbrellas that you can do to make it Well, the other issue is obviously the signage restrictions too. So that's not your realm. But

30:19
Speaker 3

I think about Hilton Head. When I go to Hilton Head, I can't find anything anywhere because of signage. Everything looks the same. I feel terrible for those businesses.

30:27
Speaker 3

And,

30:28
Speaker 3

you know, so at least painting that building shows, hey.

30:32
Speaker 3

We're new. We're exciting. We have, you know, something new is here instead of just driving past. And granted, like, the furniture will help, but it just doesn't draw your eyes much. And we really took into consideration the color. You know, we went through a lot of different colors of what is a nice

30:46
Speaker 3

complimentary color to the city. And I think it's honestly beautiful, and it works very well with the wood. We all agree with that. Agree. And I just I mean,

30:56
Speaker 3

I just think it's beautiful.

30:58
Speaker 3

And from a business standpoint, it just helps

31:01
Speaker 3

give you some presence on the street.

31:04
Speaker 3

Completely agree. To answer your question, I mean, I don't know what else I could possibly do in the exterior

31:11
Speaker 3

that would help identify

31:13
Speaker 3

this as a new space outside of umbrellas and then the sign, which you're limited to the street sign too. Right? You can't even put a sign on your building.

31:21
Speaker 3

It has to be the the one that's on the, the road.

31:25
Speaker 3

So that that's kind of, I guess, my biggest conundrum.

31:34
Speaker 1

If

31:35
Speaker 1

so

31:38
Speaker 1

here's my advice.

31:40
Speaker 1

Just judging from

31:42
Speaker 1

there there's no way that we're gonna vote for you to to paint it even though we all want you to.

31:49
Speaker 1

I think if you want to get it painted, you're gonna have to petition

31:53
Speaker 1

the city council

31:55
Speaker 1

and let them because they can overturn us.

31:59
Speaker 1

But I think that's your only hope.

32:02
Speaker 1

Sorry. And I I don't I don't mean to be

32:05
Speaker 1

blunt

32:06
Speaker 3

or, like, rude about it, but, you know No. It's I I mean, I understand I understand your position. I wouldn't want to be next door to a fuchsia

32:14
Speaker 3

Right. Building either. Right? And there probably should be some stipulations.

32:18
Speaker 3

But where we're at today so moving on to the secondary

32:23
Speaker 3

alternative,

32:25
Speaker 3

is just keeping the red brick

32:27
Speaker 3

and then

32:28
Speaker 3

painting that wood siding and then, putting a mural on it. I've you know, it doesn't have the same

32:36
Speaker 3

front visibility.

32:37
Speaker 3

Yeah.

32:38
Speaker 3

But at least it's something.

32:40
Speaker 1

I I like the mural. It's fun.

32:43
Speaker 5

Yeah. It does meet all the requirements.

32:47
Speaker 5

Wanna put that on record? Yes.

32:51
Speaker 3

What I'm cool with it. Cool with it being.

32:56
Speaker 3

Yeah. So I guess that's where we're at.

32:59
Speaker 3

Okay.

33:02
Speaker 1

Okay. Do we have anything else for oh, Shay. Yes.

33:09
Speaker 4

This microphone's actually working. Oh, there we go. I just wanna mention,

33:12
Speaker 4

if you wanna make a motion to with the umbrellas not included in it, just to make sure you, specifically mention the motion so we can get down for our records. Gotcha.

33:22
Speaker 1

The umbrellas and the

33:23
Speaker 2

furniture. Yeah.

33:26
Speaker 1

Okay.

33:27
Speaker 1

Do we have any questions? If not, do I have a motion?

33:31
Speaker 6

Motion motion to proceed with,

33:34
Speaker 6

HBC

33:35
Speaker 6

2025141982

33:38
Speaker 6

Canton Street

33:39
Speaker 6

with

33:40
Speaker 6

the restrictions

33:42
Speaker 6

put forward by,

33:46
Speaker 6

staff.

33:47
Speaker 6

And then, would you mentioned something about the umbrellas.

33:51
Speaker 6

Would I'm sorry. Yeah. Would

33:54
Speaker 4

umbrellas. Yeah. If you didn't want to include the umbrellas into the conditions, just say it would say something along the lines of with SAFT conditions, with the exception of

34:05
Speaker 6

With the accept with saffit conditions, with the exceptions of the umbrellas

34:09
Speaker 6

and furniture.

34:12
Speaker 6

Do

34:14
Speaker 1

I have a second?

34:17
Speaker 2

Mary Nichols, I second.

34:19
Speaker 1

All in favor?

34:22
Speaker 1

Alright. Passes unanimously.

34:25
Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you for your time, ladies. Sorry for all the It's okay. The red tape.

34:33
Speaker 1

-We

34:34
Speaker 1

will come out and support the restaurant. -Yes, we will.

34:38
Speaker 1

-Yeah.

34:40
Speaker 1

-All right.

34:42
Speaker 1

Now, we are moving on to

34:44
Speaker 1

item number three, a discussion about the parking deck at Green Street and Alpharetta Street. Green Street and Alpharetta

34:49
Speaker 1

Street.

34:52
Speaker 1

Oh, we gotta call staff up first.

34:55
Speaker 1

And and sorry.

35:04
Speaker 4

Hi. Shay Dixon, city of Roswell planning and zoning staff.

35:08
Speaker 4

We're just gonna be hearing from,

35:10
Speaker 4

public works regarding the proposed,

35:13
Speaker 4

parking deck,

35:14
Speaker 4

with at Green Street and off for Red Street.

35:17
Speaker 4

And they have a full presentation for HPC,

35:20
Speaker 4

for y'all's discussion.

35:22
Speaker 1

And, we look forward forward to hearing your comments. Alright. Sounds good. Thanks, Shay. Alright. Come on up, sir.

35:30
Speaker 7

Thank you very much. My name is Brian Watson. I'm the director of environmental public works.

35:34
Speaker 7

And on the the parking deck project, I'm the project manager for the city.

35:39
Speaker 7

And off to my left sitting down there is deputy city administrator senior vice president Sharon Izzo over at the infrastructure group.

35:47
Speaker 7

And basically, the bond program

35:50
Speaker 7

for the city,

35:51
Speaker 7

falls under her and it's being executed out of my department. So just to give you the who the who we are.

36:00
Speaker 7

So,

36:01
Speaker 7

tonight I was asked to kind of present,

36:04
Speaker 7

I guess, kind of a status of where we are on the parking deck.

36:08
Speaker 7

I wish I had a whole lot more for you, but I I'm gonna walk you through the site plan. I'm gonna walk you through the renderings that we've received,

36:14
Speaker 7

that were part of the proposal,

36:17
Speaker 7

and then some key dates that we have in the project, then take any questions that you have.

36:23
Speaker 7

So,

36:24
Speaker 7

this is the latest site plan from

36:28
Speaker 7

our,

36:29
Speaker 7

winter construction who's gonna be the design build contractor on the project.

36:34
Speaker 7

I should have mentioned that,

36:37
Speaker 7

the project the the parking deck project was approved by mayor and council on March 24 to move forward.

36:44
Speaker 7

At that time, it was to build,

36:46
Speaker 7

a parking deck, three and a half story parking deck,

36:50
Speaker 7

between Green Street and Alpharetta Street.

36:53
Speaker 7

It's gonna it's gonna be roughly a 360

36:56
Speaker 7

plus space deck with,

36:59
Speaker 7

roughly 20 to 25

37:01
Speaker 7

surface lot,

37:02
Speaker 7

surface parking spots.

37:05
Speaker 7

Since that time in March,

37:08
Speaker 7

Winter,

37:09
Speaker 7

construction, who was awarded the contract for the design build, work,

37:14
Speaker 7

we've been working with them. And again, this is the latest site plan. So I'm gonna walk you through it. Hopefully, you can see it on your screens.

37:21
Speaker 7

The road on the left hand side of your screen is Green Street. The road on the right hand side is, Highway 9, Alpharetta Street.

37:29
Speaker 7

And as part of this project, there's gonna be a new connector road that is connecting,

37:34
Speaker 7

Green Street to Alpharetta Street. That is gonna be on the South side of Monkey 68 as well as on the South Side of Christy's Kitchen.

37:43
Speaker 7

The project itself,

37:45
Speaker 7

the work is gonna be wholly contained within, we call it the pie piece.

37:50
Speaker 7

If you can look, it's an upside down piece of pie.

37:54
Speaker 7

So within that project,

37:56
Speaker 7

is gonna be the new road that's gonna be connecting Green Street and Alpharetta Street. The parking deck which is the,

38:03
Speaker 7

rectangular part that's just on the north part

38:06
Speaker 7

of the of your diagram.

38:08
Speaker 7

Just below that is gonna be the surface parking.

38:11
Speaker 7

And then below that is the the Masonic Lodge.

38:15
Speaker 7

And then as part of this project,

38:17
Speaker 7

the structures that are not the Masonic Lodge, but the other structures on the site will be, demoed

38:22
Speaker 7

and the parking deck will,

38:25
Speaker 7

be constructed on, again, on the north side.

38:29
Speaker 7

Here's kind of a,

38:32
Speaker 7

I guess,

38:34
Speaker 7

a color rendering of it. This was originally,

38:37
Speaker 7

when we put the, the proposal out to bid. This is what what we originally had. And you can see there's very, very minor differences,

38:45
Speaker 7

in the footprint.

38:47
Speaker 7

But what this does show is what, buildings will be,

38:51
Speaker 7

will be demolished.

38:55
Speaker 1

Yes, sir. Philip Mansell. What,

38:58
Speaker 1

what's gonna happen with the Masonic Lodge? Is it just gonna be there?

39:02
Speaker 7

So that's, that's not part of this project. So what we were gonna be doing is basically putting construction fencing around and just keeping it in place

39:10
Speaker 7

and until,

39:11
Speaker 7

there's a decision down the road of what to do with it. Okay.

39:15
Speaker 7

There's been a lot of discussion,

39:18
Speaker 7

about an open air pavilion.

39:20
Speaker 7

But as part of this project,

39:22
Speaker 7

nothing is happening to the Masonic Lodge other than protecting it from from construction. Okay.

39:29
Speaker 2

This is Mary Nichols. I have a question. The the Plum

39:32
Speaker 2

Tree Street, the new pass through street Yes, ma'am.

39:36
Speaker 2

There's

39:37
Speaker 2

a 200 year old tree

39:39
Speaker 2

that's sits there on Green Street, is that gonna be

39:45
Speaker 7

preserved?

39:45
Speaker 7

On Green Street or on Plum Tree Street? It's on Green Street.

39:51
Speaker 2

I'm trying to think of how where it's positioned as far as

39:56
Speaker 2

the sushi restaurant. Yeah. I

39:57
Speaker 7

I think I know. I think it's just on the north part of this. I think it's actually North of Plumtree Street.

40:04
Speaker 7

That is actually gonna be part of a separate project, which is the Green Street mobility project. So

40:09
Speaker 7

So transportation is handling that. That is not part of the project that is contained for the parking deck. So that tree is not gonna come down?

40:16
Speaker 7

It is not part of this project. I don't know if it is part of the Green Street mobility project. Alright.

40:27
Speaker 7

Any other questions on this slide before I move forward?

40:31
Speaker 7

Okay.

40:32
Speaker 7

Here's some of the renderings.

40:34
Speaker 7

Some of these have already been seen,

40:36
Speaker 7

during the presentation,

40:38
Speaker 7

that was given on March 24.

40:41
Speaker 7

This is a a current rendering

40:43
Speaker 7

of the project,

40:45
Speaker 7

with a Northwest view. So essentially, we're on Green Street right now, if you position yourself on Green Street. You're looking south. So to the right of this image is Green Street. And then to the left of this image is the connector road that would connect Green Street

41:00
Speaker 7

to Alpharetta Highway.

41:04
Speaker 7

This is a view looking,

41:06
Speaker 7

from the Southeast corner.

41:07
Speaker 7

So imagine you're on Highway 9 right now looking

41:11
Speaker 7

basically,

41:12
Speaker 7

Northwest.

41:14
Speaker 7

Southern post, is on the right hand side of the screen to kinda give you a location.

41:19
Speaker 7

And,

41:20
Speaker 7

you're looking

41:22
Speaker 7

basically almost west.

41:27
Speaker 7

This is a view from the Southwest. So we're back on Green Street,

41:31
Speaker 7

that where the surface parking lot is gonna connect up to Plumtree Street.

41:37
Speaker 7

Green Street in this diagram is going off to the to the left of of your screen.

41:42
Speaker 7

And we're looking again to the surface parking lot,

41:46
Speaker 7

across towards the east.

41:50
Speaker 6

Sir? What's the

41:52
Speaker 6

Kirtesh Narang, what's this,

41:54
Speaker 6

black grayish area to the left,

41:58
Speaker 6

near the sidewalk?

42:00
Speaker 7

The vertical that's on part of the so right now, that, it hasn't been fully embedded, but right now it's some sort of a metal screen.

42:09
Speaker 7

We're still working through with the designer of of what that would look like and and what there's a lot of different options that we could we could choose from. But right now, it's metal.

42:23
Speaker 7

And here's a view from the Northwest. So imagine you've got Southern Post at your back.

42:28
Speaker 7

Your,

42:29
Speaker 7

Highway 9 is is right in front of us, and that road off to the right, that's the new connector road connecting Green Street to Alpharetta Street.

42:41
Speaker 7

So I kinda wanted to give you some some schedules.

42:45
Speaker 2

Can we go back to the pictures real quick? Yes, ma'am. What which one? Sorry. Well, even that one. Okay. So,

42:51
Speaker 2

I mean, we're very excited about the parking deck, but nothing about this parking

42:56
Speaker 2

deck looks historic.

42:58
Speaker 2

I mean, it doesn't

43:00
Speaker 2

kind of fit into

43:01
Speaker 2

the historic

43:04
Speaker 2

reservation that we're trying to preserve.

43:07
Speaker 2

And,

43:08
Speaker 2

I mean, I don't know if it's the rectangular

43:10
Speaker 2

windows. I mean, could there do rounded windows at the top?

43:15
Speaker 2

The

43:15
Speaker 2

city council is very excited about it. They're very excited about this design. I've seen them.

43:21
Speaker 2

I just

43:23
Speaker 2

the

43:24
Speaker 2

storage unit over on Oak Street, I don't know if you're familiar with it. I'm sure you are. They did a fabulous job of making that look historic. I mean, it could look just like a

43:34
Speaker 2

parking garage. And I just

43:36
Speaker 2

have has anybody

43:39
Speaker 2

offered any historical

43:41
Speaker 2

accents or

43:43
Speaker 2

things that could make this not look so

43:46
Speaker 2

it looks like it could be a prison almost, you know.

43:51
Speaker 2

So Has I mean, does anybody else given you all any of that feedback?

43:55
Speaker 7

We have had questions about

43:58
Speaker 7

so when this parking deck is construction let me actually talk about how it's gonna get constructed, and that'll help with this question. So I apologize to give you a little bit of the engineering behind it. So the actual parking deck itself is gonna be precast. Think of them like LEGOs. They're gonna be stacked up and that's where the the cars themselves will be parked.

44:18
Speaker 7

The the skin or what you're seeing now, the brick facade, it's it's gonna be a precast

44:24
Speaker 7

concrete

44:26
Speaker 7

panels

44:27
Speaker 7

that,

44:28
Speaker 7

will be made at the manufacturer. They'll be brought over to the site and attached to the to the structure.

44:35
Speaker 7

Winter Construction is currently in the process of actually hiring and selecting who they're gonna use as their precast

44:42
Speaker 7

contractor.

44:43
Speaker 7

When they do that,

44:45
Speaker 7

one of the very first meetings that we will have is with that contractor, with who the people who are gonna be doing the the precast,

44:52
Speaker 7

panels,

44:53
Speaker 7

and actually ask what sort of options do we have. Right now, the these renderings were for to basically put out the proposal and to get responses back.

45:03
Speaker 7

But there's a lot of different options that that we just don't know about. And we kinda wanna know what can that precast contractor do.

45:11
Speaker 7

We have kind of given,

45:14
Speaker 7

winter

45:15
Speaker 7

some things that we would like to look at. Could you could you have arches in the windows? Could you what what are some things that we could do that would do some changes?

45:25
Speaker 7

But we don't have we have not had that conversation with the the contractor yet, the precast contractor.

45:31
Speaker 7

So we have heard it. That's gonna be one of those first conversations that we have. And

45:36
Speaker 7

once we once we

45:38
Speaker 7

get with them, we'll know what is available to the city.

45:44
Speaker 2

That help answer your question? It helps. But who and

45:48
Speaker 2

with this is the last time we're gonna see it? I mean, or is it gonna come back before the HPC at all? Or

45:54
Speaker 2

do we have any input?

45:58
Speaker 7

Don't know the answer to that. Okay.

46:04
Speaker 1

Okay.

46:05
Speaker 1

Sorry. That's okay.

46:10
Speaker 7

On the schedule, some key dates that, we wanna make sure you're aware of.

46:15
Speaker 7

So March 26 is actually when we got the approval

46:18
Speaker 7

of the,

46:20
Speaker 7

the parking deck.

46:22
Speaker 7

May 28

46:23
Speaker 7

is when the first submittal for the land disturbance permit will be coming into the city.

46:30
Speaker 7

The contractor will be mobilizing

46:32
Speaker 7

starting July 28.

46:35
Speaker 7

The August 1 is when we will get the second set of construction drawings

46:42
Speaker 7

the very first thing. After they mobilize and and put construction fencing up and,

46:47
Speaker 7

put erosion and sediment control measures up, one of the very first things that they will be doing is we'll demo the extra structures. Again, not

46:57
Speaker 7

And then by the mid September, we'll have the 100% construction drawings

47:01
Speaker 7

with the a big goal is October 7 to be pad ready, which means all of the subsurface work is done, all the storm water, all the utilities are in, and there's a concrete pad ready to start basically building up and and building the the parking deck itself. Is that when you break dirt?

47:19
Speaker 7

Break dirt will occur

47:22
Speaker 7

break dirt is actually gonna be

47:25
Speaker 7

in August,

47:27
Speaker 7

in for the demo. When they demo the existing structures, I would consider that breaking dirt.

47:33
Speaker 7

There may be a little bit of earth movement,

47:35
Speaker 7

but it's really not for the it it's not

47:39
Speaker 7

final construction. They'll be doing, erosion sediment control measures, but breaking dirt will be when they actually start doing the demo.

47:47
Speaker 7

And then

47:48
Speaker 7

February 9 is kind of a big big date as well. We call it topping out. That's when basically the top part of the parking deck will be done.

47:56
Speaker 7

So it'll look it'll look complete, but then now all the site work, landscaping, and other things are gonna be will be occurring after

48:04
Speaker 7

that. And substantial completion is gonna be, right now, May fourth of twenty twenty six.

48:10
Speaker 7

And that is all I have in my presentation.

48:14
Speaker 7

Questions on the on the dates?

48:17
Speaker 1

So you're looking to have this thing done in a year? Less than a year. Less than a year. Yeah.

48:22
Speaker 7

Wow. Mayors

48:24
Speaker 7

consistently,

48:26
Speaker 7

it's maybe unfortunate. I've heard this a couple times. Maybe unfortunate that we picked May 4.

48:31
Speaker 7

If you're a Star Wars fan, you would understand why. May the fourth be with you.

48:36
Speaker 7

And that is stuck in everybody's mind. So right now, it is

48:40
Speaker 7

I like it. I wish we would have maybe thought of that.

48:44
Speaker 7

Maybe May 5. So

48:55
Speaker 6

Yeah. It looks great. I think to,

48:57
Speaker 6

echo Mary, there's, like, not really much,

49:00
Speaker 6

historical looking aspect to it. It's it was like other than the red brick, which we all love, but there's no, like, nice trim work or, like, curved arches or columns.

49:11
Speaker 6

I don't know. Like, when you think southern, there's nothing like that in it, but

49:15
Speaker 6

I guess I guess that's something we'll have to reconvene about. As you mentioned, it's all prefabricated

49:21
Speaker 6

and,

49:22
Speaker 6

you know, figure out what the, what the manufacturer.

49:25
Speaker 7

Right? So

49:26
Speaker 7

Yeah. There again, we just don't know the options that we have available to us.

49:31
Speaker 7

Doing this construction method is much less, expensive than other methods. So this is, you know, it's an economical way of doing it.

49:39
Speaker 7

But having not

49:42
Speaker 7

done a parking deck with this type of, this construction,

49:47
Speaker 7

I don't know what the options are.

49:49
Speaker 7

So once we get those and and we can,

49:52
Speaker 7

again, see what is within the city's budget and what we can actually put on the structure.

49:59
Speaker 2

There's

49:59
Speaker 2

Mary Nichols. This is there's a committee or you're in charge of this whole

50:04
Speaker 2

project?

50:05
Speaker 7

I'm the project manager for the city. So you will have a team that

50:10
Speaker 2

will meet to talk about

50:12
Speaker 2

the design,

50:13
Speaker 2

the final design? That's correct.

50:21
Speaker 1

I have a question for Shay, Philip Mansell.

50:24
Speaker 1

This might be off topic.

50:26
Speaker 1

If,

50:27
Speaker 1

now if he wants to paint his parking garage

50:33
Speaker 1

It's not my personal Well, no. No. No. I know. I know.

50:37
Speaker 1

If he wants to paint his parking garage

50:39
Speaker 1

and

50:40
Speaker 1

we say, okay. We like let's say he does it white. We we like the white.

50:45
Speaker 1

That doesn't count for somebody else coming asking to paint it. Like,

50:50
Speaker 1

they can't just paint over it. Does it?

50:54
Speaker 1

Do you understand my question? Because he's erecting it already painted.

50:58
Speaker 1

Does that throw out the window,

51:00
Speaker 1

like, the next owner can come through and paint it? So sorry. Shade Dixon,

51:04
Speaker 4

planning and zoning staff. Generally speaking, if a building is constructed

51:09
Speaker 4

painted,

51:10
Speaker 4

that does mean it's already painted surface. So we wouldn't be able to or HPC wouldn't be able to regulate the paint color afterwards. This is a little special since it's a city project. They technically could paint it if they wanted to without without HPC approval, but that's because it's a city project on city property,

51:24
Speaker 4

or would be city property. It is city property.

51:27
Speaker 4

So it's a little bit special. But generally speaking, yeah, if a structure is built, painted as part of the original proposal, that is considered already painted for. Okay. Thank

51:34
Speaker 4

you.

51:36
Speaker 1

Remaining.

51:37
Speaker 1

Thank you.

51:45
Speaker 1

I don't have anything else. Is anybody?

51:48
Speaker 1

Good luck with your parking deck. Yeah.

51:51
Speaker 1

Our parking deck. Our parking deck.

51:56
Speaker 1

Alright. So this brings us to the minutes,

51:59
Speaker 1

04/09/2025.

52:06
Speaker 1

I've got us,

52:09
Speaker 1

for two hours and one minute. We had joined at 08:01PM

52:13
Speaker 1

on April 9.

52:15
Speaker 1

Do I have a motion to approve the minutes?

52:17
Speaker 1

Thank you all for coming this evening.

52:20
Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

52:27
Speaker 1

Motion to approve the minutes.

52:30
Speaker 2

Mary Nichols, I move to approve.

52:32
Speaker 1

Do I have a second?

52:37
Speaker 6

Kurt Ejnarang, second.

52:40
Speaker 1

All in favor?

52:42
Speaker 1

Alright. Passes unanimously. The minutes were approved.

52:46
Speaker 1

Okay. By the power vested in me, I hereby

52:49
Speaker 1

adjourn this HPC meeting

52:52
Speaker 1

at 06:58PM

52:55
Speaker 1

on 05/14/2025.

53:00
Speaker 1

Less than an hour.

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