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VIDEO Mayor and Council Jun 30, 2025 at 07:00 PM Processed: Jul 04, 2025 at 06:31 PM

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Duration: 271 minutes

Speakers: 46

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Speaker 1

The council open forum of 06/30/2025.

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Speaker 1

This is the fifth Monday, which means it's open mic night. I am mayor Kurt Wilson.

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Speaker 1

I'd like to introduce my colleagues and council members present,

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council member Sarah Beeson,

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Speaker 1

council member Christine Hall,

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council member Anne Pro Tem Lee Hills,

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Speaker 1

council member David Johnson,

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Speaker 1

council member William Northland,

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and council member Alan Sells.

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Speaker 1

At this point, I'll now turn the meeting over to our chief executive or city administrative officer,

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mister Randy Knighton to explain how the meetings run. Mister Knighton? Alright. Thank you, mayor Wilson. And again, good evening and welcome,

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tonight. We thank you, for certainly being here.

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This is a public forum meeting, of course, a dedicated space for Roswell residents

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to speak directly,

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to the mayor and council

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on any matter of interest. And, we welcome your engagement and appreciate your participation this evening.

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Speaker 2

To ensure a fair, respectful, and orderly meeting, we will follow a structured format this evening, and that is to ensure that everyone will have an opportunity to speak,

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fully and completely.

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Speaker 2

You would like to speak tonight, please fill out a comment card and hand it to one of the staff members at the back of the room. Most of you probably were able to access a comment card in our staff at the back of the room. If you have not and wish to speak, please do so. Make sure that you fill out a comment card so so that we can ensure an accurate record of the meeting, and we'll make sure we'll call everyone who,

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would like to speak this evening.

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Speaker 2

Each speaker will be given

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a total of up to five minutes to

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speak, and time may not be transferred or donated to another speaker.

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Everyone wishing to speak must do so during their own allotted time.

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We will begin with general public comment. So if you wanna speak generally about any matter pertaining

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to the city of Roswell,

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we'll take those comments

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first or those individuals first to speak specifically about general,

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Roswell issues and common issues.

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Speaker 2

And then we will have a second iteration

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Speaker 2

of speakers this evening,

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on topics,

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related specifically to Mimosa Hall or Founders Park. So for instance, if you obviously have a a total of five minutes,

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but if you plan to speak on Mimosa or Founders Park,

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for three minutes of your five minutes, we wanna make sure we we contain those in one section in the second iteration of speakers tonight,

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in case there there is a need for response

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and to ensure that all questions are documented.

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After that, the mayor may call on staff to address questions or concerns.

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We will then begin the public comment period specifically for Mimosa Hall and Founders Park as I alluded to earlier.

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If you plan to speak about Mimosa Hall or Founders Park as well as other topics,

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please make sure all of your comments,

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make sure that you have all of your comments during this comment period, your total five minutes.

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If it includes Mimosa and Founders Park, again, that will

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be in the, second,

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section of open forum.

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Each person will have one five minute opportunity to speak this evening.

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Please direct all comments to the full, council, the Baron council. To ensure respectful and productive,

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environment, we ask that everyone refrain from any back and forth dialogue, speak directly to mayor and council, and we ask that, there be no interruptions

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or

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personal,

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direct any comments directed to any particular person. We ask that members of the audience respect the rights of others and not create any noise or other disturbances that will disrupt or disturb,

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those who are addressing the mayor and council, or otherwise impede the orderly conduct

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of the meeting again, and that is to ensure that everybody has a full and complete opportunity to be heard.

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If, any of these rules are violated, which I do not expect this evening, but if there are any rules that are violated,

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the speaker will receive a warning.

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And if the misconduct persists,

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we wanna make sure that,

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we address that particular person,

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individually, which could, result,

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in removal.

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All questions and concerns

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are being carefully documented,

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so there's no need to repeat comments already shared.

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This helps us make sure we hear from as many community members as possible,

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and we appreciate, everyone's cooperation,

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in advance.

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As always, we encourage,

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those in attendance and the viewing audience to visit the the city website for meetings, events, and departmental information.

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Speaker 2

There are a number of wonderful activities here in the city of Roswell,

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which promote community physical activity and leisure as we all collectively,

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make Roswell the number one family community

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in America.

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Speaker 1

Mayor Wilson. Thank you, mister Knighton. At this time, I have a great privilege of calling the Reverend Christopher m Todd,

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senior pastor of Zion Missionary Baptist Church,

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to the front for our invocation and moment silence.

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Speaker 3

Good evening.

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Speaker 3

Would you join me in a moment of prayer?

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Almighty God, we thank you and praise you for who you are and what you do.

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You God are good,

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great, and gracious toward your children in creation.

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You're loving and faithful,

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abounding in steadfast mercy.

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Thank you for creating us and sustaining us day by day.

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Thank you for creating us in your image and empowering us to live in community with others.

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We thank you, Lord, for this city.

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Thank you for the elected and appointed officials, the businesses,

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congregations, families,

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and individuals that make the city of Roswell the great place it is.

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Enable us now to be a city of peace and hope,

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one that welcomes the stranger,

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cares for the needy,

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and defends the innocent from evil doers.

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To fulfill her mission to provide the citizens with an exceptional quality of life.

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I pray for this council meeting tonight.

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Lord, we lift up mayor Kurt Wilson,

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council members Sarah Beeson,

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Speaker 3

Aaron Sales,

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Christine Hall,

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David Johnson,

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William Morthland, and Lee Hills,

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city administrator Randy Knighton, but and all of the city and staff before you.

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Give the mayor,

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council members, concerned citizens, and other officials

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wisdom and guidance

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as we seek to dialogue and deliberate on the matters before them today.

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In the midst of a city,

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society full of divisiveness,

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help us to act with decency.

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Where there is disagreement, help us

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to disagree with civility.

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May every decision be righteous in your sight,

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seeking the betterment of all who call Roswell home in any capacity.

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And in their decision making and dialogue, Lord, we pray

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that it reflect

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the desires of your word

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to do justice

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and to love kindness

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and to walk humbly before our god

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for the benefit of all and for your glory alone.

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This we pray in your name and for your sake. Amen. Amen. Would you join me in a moment of silence?

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Speaker 1

Thank you.

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Speaker 1

Thank you, senior pastor Chris Retod of Zion Missionary Baptist Church, and thank you for bringing your family tonight to be with us as well. Thank you, sir. At this time, I have the great privilege of asking United States Army Medical Corps captain Leonard Berger

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Speaker 1

to come forward and lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

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Speaker 1

I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation

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under God,

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indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all for all.

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Speaker 1

Thank you, Captain Berger. I'm gonna ask you, if you would, to please stay up there while I ask the council to come down and join me down for the proclamation for the esteemed veteran of Roswell

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Speaker 1

Proclamation,

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office of the mayor.

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Captain Leonard Berger,

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esteemed veteran of Roswell.

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Whereas the city of Roswell proudly recognizes the distinguished service of its veterans,

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whose dedication and sacrifice

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exemplify the highest ideals of patriotism

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and public service.

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Whereas, captain

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Leonard Berger

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faithfully served the United States Army, entering the service in 1957

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at the age of 25

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under the Berry plan.

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A program developed under secretary of defense Frank Berry to support the nation's military medical needs.

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And whereas captain Berger began his service, United States Army Reserves with the rank of first lieutenant

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and was activated in 1958,

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earning the rank of captain in the medical corps during his active duty.

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And whereas his military career concluded service as a battalion surgeon in Germany,

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where he instructed medics

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in medical procedures

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and performed wound care and minor surgeries.

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He went on to serve as a physician at a military dispensary,

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caring for American service members, their families,

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and local German nationals providing physicals,

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sick visits, and prenatal care.

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Whereas, captain Berger was ultimately promoted to commanding officer of the dispensary,

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assuming leadership responsibilities over the clinic

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and overseeing both medical and administrative

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operations.

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And whereas he furthered his medical training

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through specialized courses in war surgery,

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including procedures such as tracheotomies,

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suturing,

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and the treatment of battlefield in battlefield injuries.

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Whereas following his honorable discharge in 1960,

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captain Berger continued to serve others

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through his commitment to pediatric medicine,

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pursuing a pediatric residency

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in Brooklyn, New York, and continuing

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a lifetime of service in the field of health care.

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Whereas, captain Berger's service in Germany

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and his leadership within the Army Medical Corps

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reflects his dedication to both country and fellow soldiers,

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exemplifying the noble spirit of the United States Armed Forces.

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Now, therefore, I, Curtin Wilson,

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mayor of the city of Roswell, Georgia,

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do hereby name, captain Leonard Berger,

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an esteemed veteran of Roswell,

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and call upon all our citizens

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to recognize his outstanding service to our community

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and to our country,

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and that there is no higher calling than those who serve the United States Armed Forces. Congratulations, sir.

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Speaker 5

I wanna thank you all for being here to honor me. It's my privilege as well.

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I

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certainly,

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feel that

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we need

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a strong military service in this country

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to back up a strong

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democracy.

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I

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certainly

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feel that

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there is a need for us

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to realize that

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citizens have their rights

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and that they should be allowed to have their freedom

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and their liberty

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the way that

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it's said in

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the pledge of allegiance.

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I

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served in Germany for two years was not wartime

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was after the war.

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However,

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I did

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stay with troops who were activated

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and waiting to go to the front

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because

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Khrushchev at that time was saddle

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rattling and we were afraid we're going to war with Russia.

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We

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had a lot of military troops in the town of Hanau On Main in Germany where I stayed

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and actually we were mechanized with a lot of heavy weapons and

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tanks

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and trucks and atomic weapons even. There were a large number of American troops located there.

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We were maintaining

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our presence in Germany

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to show that we will never allow them to do what they did.

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And as a result,

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we had our commitment there to do that and I was very glad that I was part of it.

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We are

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entering

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July 4 this coming week

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and it turns out that it is the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary

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of the U. S. Army where I served.

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It really is a milestone.

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We have to really

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be patriotic

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and really celebrate the holiday

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to appreciate

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what we have here in this country.

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Speaker 5

So thank you all for coming and being here to celebrate for me. I was very, very thoughtful of you to invite me.

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Speaker 1

Well, good evening, everybody.

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Speaker 1

I'd like to begin by thanking you for being here.

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Speaker 1

Many of you have taken the time away from your work,

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Speaker 1

your family, and other responsibilities

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Speaker 1

to participate in this forum,

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and that speaks to your commitment to this community.

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Speaker 1

Tonight is more tonight is about more than just public comment.

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Speaker 1

It's about showing up,

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listening and learning from one another.

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Speaker 1

Every person here brings a perspective

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shaped by life experience

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Speaker 1

and when we engage respectfully,

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we help to make Roswell stronger.

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Speaker 1

You may not agree with everything that's said tonight

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Speaker 1

and that is part of what makes public discourse valuable.

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Speaker 1

What matters is how we listen,

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Speaker 1

how we speak,

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Speaker 1

and how we work together

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Speaker 1

to move our city forward.

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Speaker 1

I thank each of you for being a part of this process

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Speaker 1

and your continued investment in Roswell.

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Speaker 1

Madam Clerk, how many speakers do we have for the general public comment?

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Speaker 6

Mayor, we have seven speakers.

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Speaker 1

Outstanding. Would you please call the first speaker, madam clerk?

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Speaker 6

Madeline

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Hazelwood.

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Speaker 1

Welcome.

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Speaker 7

Thank you. Good evening fellow citizens, Roswell City Council and mayor. My name is Madeline Hazelwood and I live in Barrington Farms. My full address is on the card. I'm a rising senior at Centennial High School and I've lived in Roswell my entire life.

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Speaker 7

A few weeks ago, I had the opportunity to attend an amazing and life changing experience called Georgia Girl State. This is an opportunity funded by units of the American Legion Auxiliary and I'm forever blessed to be funded by unit sixty six located in Decatur.

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Speaker 7

This program gives dedicated and passionate young women the summer before their senior year of high school the opportunity to learn about what it means to be a citizen and a chance to meet other talented young women. During my time there, I had the opportunity to serve my beloved city of Tattnall as the city recorder where I would keep track of our city meetings. I also helped plan and run rallies for the imaginary party I was representing called the Federalist, which was very enjoyable and one of my favorite parts of this experience because I had the opportunity to introduce a drum line cadence that my marching band uses,

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while also learning more about the young women I was around and the chants they had acquired.

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Speaker 7

I ran for many other positions such as speaker of the house and county school superintendent, which taught me valuable public speaking skills that will benefit me for years to come. I also served as a member of the state house representatives, which taught me a lot because I had the opportunity to learn about a variety of topics and hear ideas about how to address them. Additionally, we had the opportunity to write a bill. I chose to focus on the topic of music education, which has served an important part in not just my education, but also my life. The goal of this bill was to ensure that music education became an important part of the k through 12 public school system throughout the state of Georgia.

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Speaker 7

Funding for music education programs is often pushed aside, especially in rural areas.

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This bill intended to change this by requiring the implementation

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of music education into

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all primary grade levels curriculum. Furthermore,

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this is an opportunity that I will hold close to my heart for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 7

The biggest things I will take from this

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experience are the meaning of voting, that my voice matters, and the family I gained. If you're a rising junior boy or girl interested in learning more, please reach out to your American Legion unit about Georgia Girl State and Georgia Boy State. Finally, this experience not only taught me about how our government works, but also the many voices of my generation.

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Speaker 7

I hope to leave everyone here with something to think about tonight. In a year, I will be a proud Georgia voter. My generation has many voices that are not afraid to speak up, and we will.

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Speaker 7

Also, if you are able to vote, do so because your voice matters and has an impact on the local and federal government. The

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make change is through action. Those of city council, I ask that as you make decisions, please consider everyone who lives here, whether they are old or young, so that the city of Roswell will continue to be an even better place. Thank you for your time. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1

Madam Clerk.

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Speaker 6

Andrew Hazelwood.

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Speaker 8

Good evening. My name is Andrew Hazelwood,

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and I live in Barrington Farms.

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Speaker 8

My full address is on the card.

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Speaker 8

I'm speaking to you today about building a skate park in the Roswell area. As a young skater, I love taking my skills and tricks to the park.

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Speaker 8

The only problem is skate parks are a long distance away from me. Luckily, I have a wonderful dad to take me to them. But some parents don't feel like driving an hour round trip just to take their children,

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their child to the skate park.

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A skate park would also help the community grow, for I see a lot of adults and children at the park to watch the skaters. And the skaters can meet other people with different basis of skill sets.

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Speaker 8

I have personally learned so much from the older skaters and have felt like I belonged.

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Speaker 8

A skate park closer to me and others would bring the whole Roswell

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community together. Thank you for taking time out of your day to listen to me, and have a great rest of your night. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1

Kara, I think skate park probably needs to go up there on a as a question on skate on group one.

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Speaker 1

Thank you, ma'am.

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Speaker 1

Madam Clerk?

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Speaker 6

Bill Lunney.

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Speaker 9

Good evening. Hey, Bill.

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Speaker 9

My name is Phil Lunney.

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Speaker 9

I live in Martin's Landing

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Speaker 9

for the last thirty eight years.

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Speaker 9

I hope you will indulge me for a poem.

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Speaker 9

Seven branches

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Speaker 9

park,

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Speaker 9

a hidden start.

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Speaker 9

It's been three years ago

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that I walked these trails

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Speaker 9

to and fro,

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Speaker 9

for I got a replacement hit

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Speaker 9

to renew

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Speaker 9

my walking zip.

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Speaker 9

These land purchases were completed,

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Speaker 9

but little has happened

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Speaker 9

that is needed.

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Speaker 9

The trail barely exist.

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Speaker 9

It's certainly not without risk.

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Speaker 9

I was surprised that the creek crossings were removed.

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Speaker 9

Why put in

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Speaker 9

passages

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Speaker 9

only

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to have them to redo?

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Speaker 9

There seems to be no plan for this parkland.

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Speaker 9

So here's my point.

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Speaker 9

You walk by on Eaves Road,

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Speaker 9

and it's a drainage ditch is your entry

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Speaker 9

that it seems to be covered up intentionally.

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Speaker 9

And the

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Speaker 9

the the

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Speaker 9

infrastructure they put in to do water work right by Martin's Landing at Martin Road

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Speaker 9

was then taken away.

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Speaker 9

So I walked all the way through the park from each road expecting to be able to walk out

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Speaker 9

into Martin's Landing,

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Speaker 9

but instead, I had to cross a neighbor's yard.

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Speaker 9

I'm not asking for much, you know, maybe a little sign,

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Speaker 9

maybe a little

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Speaker 9

connectivity

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Speaker 9

to East Road,

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Speaker 9

and then somehow to cross one of the branches

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Speaker 9

so that I can walk

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Speaker 9

from Kroger

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Speaker 9

to my house without going down Holcomb Bridge.

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Speaker 9

One other thing, to the mayor, I'll do this directly.

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Speaker 9

Last time I saw you was down at the exercise loop,

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Speaker 9

and I asked you when you were gonna have the instructors there. I look forward to that answer. Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1

Thank you, Phil.

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Speaker 1

Let me make sure. Carol?

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Speaker 1

What questions do you have there, Kara?

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Speaker 1

I think a follow-up on eaves,

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Speaker 1

the entranceway

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Speaker 1

into

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Speaker 1

seven branches.

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Speaker 1

Madam Clerk?

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Speaker 6

Lindsay Coates.

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Speaker 1

Hey, Lindsay.

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Speaker 4

Lindsay Coates at 715,

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Speaker 4

Oak Park Place. Good evening.

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Speaker 4

As you know,

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Speaker 4

but most of our residents may not know, Roswell is in the middle of updating its comprehensive plan.

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Speaker 4

The blueprint for how we grow.

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Speaker 4

And this plan shapes everything from zoning and transportation

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Speaker 4

to housing and it's legally binding.

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Speaker 4

It isn't just some feel good vision statement. It's the foundation

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Speaker 4

for what gets built here and where.

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Speaker 4

Since our last update five years ago,

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Speaker 4

that was very in-depth and

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Speaker 4

community

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Speaker 4

oriented. Housing prices in Roswell have jumped 72%.

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Speaker 4

Rents have followed.

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Speaker 4

As a resident and a realtor, I'm happy to have strong property values. But understanding this market and the lack of inventory

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Speaker 4

options for first time buyers, middle income families,

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Speaker 4

and seniors hoping to downsize

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Speaker 4

has all but disappeared.

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Speaker 4

And yet for something this consequential,

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Speaker 4

this city has offer has only offered two public hearings.

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Speaker 4

One added at the last minute last week and the next not expected until January when you're already considering approval.

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Speaker 4

That's not meaningful public engagement.

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Speaker 4

That's checking a box.

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Speaker 4

That's,

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Speaker 4

and unfortunately, it follows a familiar pattern that we've seen.

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Speaker 4

I'm asking for three things. One, more public input

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Speaker 4

sessions, accessible and advertised

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Speaker 4

to truly hear from the full community.

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Speaker 4

Two, transparency,

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Speaker 4

publish the housing and demographic data that the city's own consultants have gathered already.

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Speaker 4

Three, inclusion inclusion of real housing options like smaller lot homes,

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Speaker 4

duplexes,

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Speaker 4

triplexes,

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Speaker 4

and ADUs

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Speaker 4

so Roswell doesn't become the place where only the wealthy can afford to live.

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Speaker 4

Teachers, nurses,

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Speaker 4

restaurant workers, and retirees are being priced out. That affects traffic,

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Speaker 4

school enrollment,

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Speaker 4

and the strength of our economy.

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Speaker 4

We need a plan that reflects the Roswell we say we are,

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Speaker 4

inclusive,

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Speaker 4

forward thinking, and rooted in community.

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Speaker 4

Right now, we're not even coming close. Thank you. Thank you, Lindsay.

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Speaker 1

Do you have update on the questions, Kara Karen?

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Speaker 1

Thanks.

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Speaker 1

Madam Clerk?

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Speaker 6

Jerica

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Speaker 6

Lewis.

27:37
Speaker 10

Hello, everyone.

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Speaker 11

I'll be quick.

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Speaker 11

It's just simply based off Roswell Housing. I understand that we have gotten

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Speaker 11

a new company,

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Speaker 11

and we're not understanding people anymore.

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Speaker 11

But I think our main focus is we have

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Speaker 11

we haven't been introduced to them, so we no no longer know who we are. I think we're under either DeKalb County or Decatur now,

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Speaker 11

but the main issue still remains the same. We don't get any type of help.

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Speaker 11

Nobody ever come out just to check and see if we're okay.

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Speaker 11

We do exist. I understand that. We are under Roswell housing, and I understand that you guys don't have anything to do with us, but my thing is so what are we supposed to do when we need help?

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Speaker 11

My house itself was without air,

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Speaker 11

last week for almost a month before we got any type of help. I have five kids.

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Speaker 11

Four of them have asthma severely.

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Speaker 11

So it was like,

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Speaker 11

we reach out to the property manager that we know, which is Diani.

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Speaker 11

From our understanding, she did what she could.

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Speaker 11

We got maybe a AC unit maybe, like,

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Speaker 11

the week before,

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Speaker 11

somebody even just came out to just even check the furnace or whatever you call it.

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Speaker 11

But it's

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Speaker 11

like, at what extent

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Speaker 11

do we exist to the people even though we are Roswell housing?

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Speaker 11

Just because we have that name,

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Speaker 11

I feel like we are fortunate just like everybody else that live in Roswell housing. We work just like the regular people,

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Speaker 11

and I feel like, again, that's our home. Even though it's affordable, it's our home.

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Speaker 11

Our kids grow up there.

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Speaker 11

That's like, why can't we have a playground in the back of our apartments for our kids to come and play? Why do they have to go all the way to Walla Park to

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Speaker 11

do something or

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Speaker 11

go to the gym? I mean, it's it's it's a nice area in the back of the house. Instead of a car's parking there, why can't there be, like, a small little playground?

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Speaker 11

We have small kids. Sometimes we're cooking dinner and the kids wanna go outside, so we can't watch them all the way down the street at the other park. Like,

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Speaker 11

I just want somebody to, like

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Speaker 11

we matter too, like, not just

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Speaker 11

the nice housing. Somebody come out and look at us or somebody come see what's going on. Like, you don't know what's going on because nobody come check. Or if you guys come check, they'll say, hey. We fixed this. But they don't fix it.

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Speaker 11

They'll make a they may rig it up or something, and then it's broken again. So

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Speaker 11

that's my only concern. Thank you. That's right.

30:27
Speaker 1

Thanks, Kara. Thank you. And we'll address that. Yes, ma'am. Here here at the end, the conclusion of the comments.

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Speaker 1

Madam clerk.

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Speaker 6

Courtney

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Speaker 1

Rozier.

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Speaker 13

Hey, everyone. Hello. We're Courtney. My name is Courtney Rozier. I live at 540 Hembree Road.

30:54
Speaker 13

Jennifer Donlon, founder of Roswell Empowered and a Roswell citizen wishes she could be here tonight but has a conflicting family priority.

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Speaker 13

I'm proud to share her comments

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Speaker 13

with mayor, council, and the community.

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Speaker 13

On Saturday,

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Speaker 13

June 21, we organized and hosted the first ever pride walk in

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Speaker 13

Roswell. The rock the walk was a great success with over 600 people showing up

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Speaker 13

to peacefully walk with friends, family, and neighbors down Canton Street.

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Speaker 13

The community of Roswell really showed up and rallied behind this event.

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Speaker 13

We had several businesses offer discounts and incentives,

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Speaker 13

open early, and host after walk celebrations.

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Speaker 13

So many Roswellians

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Speaker 13

jumped in to donate their time, talents, candy, buttons,

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Speaker 13

beads, and other pride goodies.

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Speaker 13

I would like to thank the Roswell Police Department for patrolling the walk and ensuring everyone stayed safe.

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Speaker 13

Towards the end of the walk, as I was bringing up the rear of the crowd, I was next to a patrol car that had its window down. I leaned in and thanked the officer for being there, and it was response was, of course. That's what we're here for.

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Speaker 13

We had zero incidents reported and reported and experienced so many people driving by honking and waving in support.

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Speaker 13

I would also like to thank all of the people I spoke with and coordinated with at city hall.

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Speaker 13

Every person I spoke to was so

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Speaker 13

helpful and kind each time I called and took time to answer all of my questions that I had. We wanted to ensure we were following all the rules by staying on the sidewalks,

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Speaker 13

not impeding traffic, and following all safety recommendations. The staff even helped with communications to Roswell PD. I'm The staff even helped with communications to Roswell PD.

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Speaker 13

I look forward to working with all of the incredibly helpful individuals at city hall in the future and for years to come.

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Speaker 13

We were featured on the Burt show, a morning radio show which is nationally syndicated

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Speaker 13

and airs in several markets.

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Speaker 13

They are in Atlanta,

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Speaker 13

Dallas, Salt Lake City, Indianapolis,

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Speaker 13

Nashville,

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Speaker 13

Charleston,

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Speaker 13

Kansas City, and New Orleans.

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Speaker 13

On Friday, June 20, when they had me on, Bert himself announced that he and Rebecca would be attending the pride walk.

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Speaker 13

When he arrived, he was stunned at the turnout

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Speaker 13

as were we.

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Speaker 13

We expected maybe a 100 people to show up and got over 615

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Speaker 13

dogs.

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Speaker 13

Bert said that he had done a lot of first time events, and he said it was unheard of to see this kind of turnout.

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Speaker 13

The Bert show then had me back on Monday, June 23 to talk about how great the walk

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Speaker 13

was and how next year the crowd will likely be doubled and that he hopes I've already started planning.

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Speaker 13

The day was full of pure joy, and so many people reached out to me and tagged me in post expressing their gratitude and excitement for such a simple but important event here in Roswell.

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Speaker 13

I'd like to share some of these comments.

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Speaker 13

Super proud of my family and grateful that they joined me in making history,

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Speaker 13

the first ever Roswell pride walk. Thrilling to be surrounded by families like ours and those who support us,

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Speaker 13

I never knew there was this much sameness and support in our southern suburb.

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Speaker 13

What a day for our family to see so much love from our neighbors.

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Speaker 13

A million thanks to Jennifer and her grassroots,

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Speaker 13

Roswell Empowered, for putting this together.

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Speaker 13

One mom trying to make the future safer for her son made history today.

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Speaker 13

Shout out as well to the Burt Show for showing up to support and Gate City Brewing Company for operating

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Speaker 13

for opening up early so we had a place to gather afterwards.

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Speaker 13

Also, thank you to the Roswell Police Department for being present to keep things safe and moving along. Here's to a 100 more Prosebel ride pride walks. And here's another comment.

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Speaker 13

The inaugural Roswell empowered pride walk, 06/21/2025.

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Speaker 13

Bravo, Jennifer Donlon.

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Speaker 13

You did this. You brought the Roswell community out in numbers and enthusiasm.

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Speaker 13

That was overwhelmingly

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Speaker 13

beautiful.

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Speaker 13

Roswell, you showed up and showed out.

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Speaker 13

The laughter, lightness, love, and legacy was so immensely moving.

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Speaker 13

Today provided witness for any queer child or person

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Speaker 13

that they are surrounded by love and support and community

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Speaker 13

here in Roswell.

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Speaker 13

It was a breathtakingly

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Speaker 13

beautiful day with family, friends,

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Speaker 13

chosen family, local business owners, political leaders, and hundreds of new friends and allies, young and old. I've never been prouder of our city.

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Speaker 13

Roswell Empowered's goal is to obtain five zero one c three status and to continue this important work of visibility,

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Speaker 13

love, acceptance, and acceptance.

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Speaker 13

Thank you Roswell for your support. I am forever grateful. Jennifer Donlon.

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Speaker 14

Thank you. Thank you, Courtney. Thank you, Jennifer.

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Speaker 1

Thank you, Courtney. Madam Clerk. Suzanne Crawford.

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Speaker 15

Hi. I'm Suzanne Mills Crawford, an almost four year resident of Roswell. I reside at 300 Merritt Drive in East Roswell.

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Speaker 15

So good evening to you, mayor Wilson Hi. Council, city of Roswell staff, and my neighbors.

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Speaker 15

I am grateful for the opportunity this fifth Monday affords us to speak to you and to listen to each other, to hear the ways in which our city government impacts our lives.

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Speaker 15

The idea of an open forum makes me hopeful and grateful for our representative democracy

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Speaker 15

of speaking and listening in all their forms, so thank you for this opportunity.

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Speaker 15

I was inspired to be here tonight by what happened to our neighbors at 9995

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Speaker 15

Old Dogwood Road.

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Speaker 15

That young people were being exploited and assaulted there is reprehensible.

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Speaker 15

That a 911

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Speaker 15

call led to arrests

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Speaker 15

suggests that a single person and an effective system

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Speaker 15

can change lives.

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Speaker 15

That a community can rally around neighbors, that city officials and departments as disparate as parks and rec and code enforcement and fire

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Speaker 15

can partner with county level support services,

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Speaker 15

school personnel,

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Speaker 15

and nonprofit social service providers,

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Speaker 15

and generous regular folks

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Speaker 15

to provide care is as our city as our Roswell City Communications described it, remarkable.

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Speaker 15

And yet, from my vantage point, the statement posted on Roswell connections that quote, together we turned a potential crisis into a story of hope and humanity

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Speaker 15

is an unfinished

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Speaker 15

story.

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Speaker 15

From my vantage point, the people whose home

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Speaker 15

was the Economy Hotel were my neighbors.

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Speaker 15

I've been a public school teacher for many years and I'm a parent of kids who attended and attend Esther Jackson Elementary, Holcomb Bridge Middle School, and Centennial High School. So when I learned

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Speaker 15

of the closing, my heart broke. Some of those neighbors were my children's classmates, my friends, students.

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Speaker 15

They were kids who should be studying for exams that were happening the very days that they lost their homes.

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Speaker 15

They were preparing to celebrate the end of the school year and getting ready to say goodbye for the summer,

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Speaker 15

not until maybe forever.

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Speaker 15

That unsafe living conditions were only addressed after the arrests strikes me as surprising

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Speaker 15

at best. The photos and videos that were posted on Roswell connections website show exterior

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Speaker 15

areas

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Speaker 15

that were grossly

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Speaker 15

unsafe and should have been remedied earlier.

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Speaker 15

Even a cursory look at housing and hotel options in Roswell tells me that it was unlikely

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Speaker 15

that families were able to stay here in Roswell to remain our neighbors.

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Speaker 15

When I attempted to learn more about the housing authority of the city of Roswell,

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Speaker 15

I was only able to find one agenda from a board meeting in 2025

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Speaker 15

in January,

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Speaker 15

and the most recent minutes were from October of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 15

Our economy hotel neighbors have been referred to as occupants

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Speaker 15

in communications

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Speaker 15

in our city's YouTube channel, a term that I don't really even have words for in the context

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Speaker 15

of losing one's home of multiple years.

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Speaker 15

It's summer, so every teacher I know, even the ones who've just finished teaching summer school, the ones whose students are at preschool

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Speaker 15

or community colleges or prestigious graduate schools, the ones who drive over an hour from their homes, the homes that they can afford on their teacher salaries to teach in schools in Roswell,

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Speaker 15

they are all reflecting on the twenty twenty four, twenty five school year. They're thinking about that quiz that didn't measure what they were hoping to measure.

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Speaker 15

They're refining slides that supported their students in successfully mastering difficult calculus content.

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Speaker 15

They're meeting teacher friends for coffee and literally talking about what went well and what they can do better next year.

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Speaker 15

This is one of the best best best things about school, about being a teacher, that there are transitions between lessons

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Speaker 15

and units and years that invite retrospection,

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Speaker 15

that inspire contemplation,

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Speaker 15

that create opportunities to learn both from one's successes

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Speaker 15

and one's failures.

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Speaker 15

But I know this is not unique to education. I know that you strategize and evaluate

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Speaker 15

and problem solve in your roles as leaders of our city. And so my request for you tonight

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Speaker 15

is that the events leading up to the closure of the Economy Hotel be officially

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Speaker 15

and systematically

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Speaker 15

revisited,

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Speaker 15

so as to expose opportunities to do better, to be better.

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Speaker 15

I urge you to look at what happened,

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Speaker 15

to examine how the closure impacted our neighbors,

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Speaker 15

to allow the potential crisis

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Speaker 15

to become a story that continues to be written for dignity for our neighbors,

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Speaker 15

for inclusive housing,

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Speaker 15

and for the hope and humanity the city communications department saw in the closure of the Economy Hotel.

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Speaker 15

Thank you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1

Did you get that down, Kara?

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Speaker 1

Thank you so much. Madam Clerk?

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Speaker 6

That's all the comments for general topics. Thank you so much.

41:38
Speaker 1

Alright. So in the meantime, I'm gonna ask some of the questions that are up on the table.

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Speaker 1

Is there a plan to build a skate park in Roswell?

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Speaker 1

Mister

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Speaker 1

Malone?

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Speaker 16

Good evening, sir. It is definitely something that we are looking into and looking at all

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Speaker 16

opportunities as we look ahead at park development.

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Speaker 16

It is something I think that we'll need to discuss and,

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Speaker 16

strategize with the elected body, but definitely something that we're looking at. No official plans are in the works yet for an official skate park location yet. Thank you, sir. What's the plan for 7 Branches Park? Can we add connectivity over Eaves Road and from Kroger?

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Speaker 16

I think, if possible, sir, I'd love to get talk to this individual offline and see what we can do with our trails team, see if there's possibilities for some in house projects especially with the activities

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Speaker 16

out there. I think there might be some opportunity.

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Speaker 1

Phil Loney,

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Speaker 1

it's a gentleman.

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Speaker 1

Public hearings for comp plan 2045.

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Speaker 1

Jeff?

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Speaker 1

Shell?

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Speaker 17

Mister mayor and council

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Speaker 17

excuse me.

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Speaker 17

Yeah. We absolutely are having more than just two public hearings. We'll have several events I need to finalize. We're just getting started now. We're just pulling together the data. We're just starting to meet. We wanted to make sure we had all the dates so we could plan through the fall, the different times and opportunities for community events,

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Speaker 17

the progress we're making with the plan. So we're looking forward to that and grateful for the attention,

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Speaker 17

on the comp plan. And we'll be updating the web page. I'm looking at it this week. I know that,

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Speaker 17

I needed to have that ready. So, we're looking to get it updated this week. And will we be publishing the housing and demographic data?

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Speaker 17

Yes. That'll be in the assessment. That'll there that's absolutely. There'll be quite a bit of data. And in fact, one thing different about this comprehensive plan is it's a lot more technical,

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Speaker 17

and focused on the financial impacts or economic growth,

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Speaker 17

that kind of data, the impacts of

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Speaker 17

economic change.

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Speaker 17

So you'll have a lot of technical data. We're anticipating many more technical memos at the beginning

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Speaker 1

than we have done in the past. Outstanding. Yes, sir. And will that include a diversion

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Speaker 1

of housing options?

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Speaker 17

So there's a that will be a policy question. So the, consultant team and the staff, we pull together technical information. We'll work with the community and bring forward,

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Speaker 17

observations about housing and

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Speaker 17

options and choices

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Speaker 17

to for you to consider as policy. Yes, sir. Michelle, thank you so much.

44:29
Speaker 1

Randy, this next question. Who should residents go for help and support for the Rousselah Housing Authority?

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Speaker 1

Is there someone else residents should be talking to?

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Speaker 1

And I'll I'll save the last question for last.

44:42
Speaker 2

So we

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Speaker 2

That was miss Lewis who raised that question. Yes, ma'am. I'll be glad to speak with you directly and connect with you and make sure that you are connected to the appropriate person

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Speaker 2

who currently or appropriate person and or entity that is currently overseeing

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Speaker 2

their, the,

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Speaker 2

housing location.

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Speaker 2

I think, I think you and I have spoken previously. Is that correct? Yeah. That's right. So I'll I'll make sure that,

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Speaker 2

I connect with you directly

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Speaker 2

and we'll get you in touch with, the appropriate person to address any of the questions and concerns that you have. I'll make sure that happens this week.

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Speaker 1

Lee Lee, can you follow-up on that as well? Thank

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Speaker 1

you.

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Speaker 1

Can this

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Speaker 1

the next question is can the city revisit the events leading up to the economy hotel closure to take a deeper look at at what happened and the impact the closure had on residents?

45:38
Speaker 2

Sure. Let me ask that. Sure. And thank you for the question regarding the Economy Hotel. I will tell you that,

45:44
Speaker 2

as many of you know, the the

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Speaker 2

the incident leading up to the economy hotel resulted in several arrests for people who are engaged in human trafficking.

45:55
Speaker 2

This mayor and council over the past three plus years has made,

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Speaker 2

addressing human trafficking in this city a priority.

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Speaker 2

And as a result, there have been,

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Speaker 2

over 50 women rescued from human trafficking in the city of Roswell and upwards of

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Speaker 2

between eighteen and twenty,

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Speaker 2

spa massage,

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Speaker 2

establishments

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Speaker 2

closed in the city of Roswell.

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Speaker 2

In addition to a number of other steps that we've taken that have been very tangible

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Speaker 2

in addressing what really is a,

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Speaker 2

significant

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Speaker 2

human issue.

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Speaker 2

And so, the events leading up to,

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Speaker 2

the closing of the hotel,

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Speaker 2

I think quite frankly,

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Speaker 2

was,

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Speaker 2

one of the,

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Speaker 2

most significant things,

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Speaker 2

the city has done over several years.

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Speaker 2

One, because

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Speaker 2

of the human trafficking issue. Two, because of the,

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Speaker 2

decrepit,

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Speaker 2

living conditions that people found themselves,

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Speaker 2

living in at the Economy Hotel. The investigation

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Speaker 2

itself gave us greater entry

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Speaker 2

into the hotel,

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Speaker 2

to be able to assess what was really happening. There are certain provided

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Speaker 2

to,

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Speaker 2

hotels in terms of being private establishments that does not allow a full

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Speaker 2

assessment until or in this case,

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Speaker 2

until in this type of investigation

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Speaker 2

unfolded.

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Speaker 2

What I will say is that during the course of addressing the hotel,

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Speaker 2

we had to be sensitive to several things.

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Speaker 2

One,

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Speaker 2

it still was,

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Speaker 2

the end of the school year.

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Speaker 2

We understood that that was a significant issue with children still being in school, and so we engaged the Fulton County School System and had several people on-site

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Speaker 2

to help facilitate,

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Speaker 2

priorities,

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Speaker 2

for school children.

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Speaker 2

Secondly, we had the issue of a

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Speaker 2

a establishment,

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Speaker 2

a housing establishment that turned into a housing establishment

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Speaker 2

that was in peril. And so we had to balance the,

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Speaker 2

need to address the real housing issues that people were then faced with

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Speaker 2

and also with a building that was in peril and in jeopardy of,

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Speaker 2

not being unsafe.

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Speaker 2

And so I think, the city honestly did a did an excellent job of addressing those issues. We we detailed all of that at a public meeting

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Speaker 2

a couple of months ago,

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Speaker 2

and,

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Speaker 2

we were able to transition everyone out of the hotel,

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Speaker 2

find them housing,

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Speaker 2

and, assist the school children,

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Speaker 2

with,

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Speaker 2

priorities and being able to,

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Speaker 2

complete the school year in good fashion.

48:35
Speaker 2

Obviously, we,

48:36
Speaker 2

have done a number of of debriefing sessions related to the the Economy Hotel,

48:42
Speaker 2

the manner in which we handled it, and the manner of which we could, perhaps improve in the future. We hope we don't have these situations in the future, but I can tell you we will continue to monitor and assess

48:53
Speaker 2

these types of establishments because we want to eradicate

48:56
Speaker 2

one human trafficking. We also want to eradicate,

49:00
Speaker 2

deplorable living conditions,

49:02
Speaker 2

here in the city of Roswell. And since that time, we've made a couple of other assessments and will continue to do so of other similar situations.

49:10
Speaker 2

And so,

49:11
Speaker 2

you know, we always want to be better.

49:14
Speaker 2

I think given the, very grave conditions that we were faced with as a city,

49:20
Speaker 2

one, the human trafficking issue, two, the rehousing issue.

49:23
Speaker 2

I think the city did a a stellar job in being able to handle and balance all of those different factors

49:29
Speaker 2

that were in play. Again, that doesn't mean that we can't improve and we continue we'll continue to do so.

49:34
Speaker 2

But given the,

49:36
Speaker 2

the magnitude of the situation,

49:38
Speaker 2

I think, ultimately,

49:40
Speaker 2

we're able to,

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Speaker 2

address all concerns,

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Speaker 2

in a manner that is indicative of the professionalism that we attempt to display and exhibit,

49:51
Speaker 2

every day.

49:53
Speaker 1

Thank you, mister Knighton.

49:55
Speaker 1

Doctor Panino, is Ashley Glass on the general comments or moving to the mimosa comments? Thank you, sir. Alright.

50:04
Speaker 2

Excuse me, mayor. I'm sorry. I believe there was one comment card

50:09
Speaker 2

for miss Stone that should have gone to the general public

50:13
Speaker 2

sec section. Is that correct, madam clerk?

50:16
Speaker 6

That is correct. Okay. Susan Stone.

50:19
Speaker 1

Welcome, Susan.

50:25
Speaker 19

Good evening, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

50:28
Speaker 19

I am talking about trees, not Mimosa trees. And this is something that I've wanted to address,

50:35
Speaker 19

for quite a long

50:36
Speaker 19

time and have not, so it's a little bit of a a serendipitous

50:40
Speaker 19

jog to the front here with the mimosa issue. I'd like to address the demise of trees along Canton Street, which we all love and we know is such a precious, valuable, thoroughfare in our community.

50:53
Speaker 19

In the last eight years since I've lived here, and I live right off of Canton Street and chose to live there because of the character, the historic nature, and the beautiful trees,

51:03
Speaker 19

there have been,

51:04
Speaker 19

over a dozen trees that have been removed.

51:07
Speaker 19

Six at,

51:09
Speaker 19

100175

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Speaker 19

Canton Street, which is the corner where the Lehigh offices are, one at 11:58,

51:16
Speaker 19

one at 1137,

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Speaker 19

one at 1025.

51:21
Speaker 19

It was a huge beautiful oak tree.

51:24
Speaker 19

One in front of the residence at 1015,

51:28
Speaker 19

one in front of 984

51:30
Speaker 19

Canton Street, three in front of the tavern,

51:34
Speaker 19

and two in front of Ips that were also

51:37
Speaker 19

old specimens, very tall, had beautiful wide canopies.

51:41
Speaker 19

And that's a total of more than 15, I believe 17 trees. And I I might be a little inaccurate and underestimating,

51:48
Speaker 19

But that's 17 trees that have come down in my eight year tenure of living here and enjoying Canton Street,

51:54
Speaker 19

which I walk almost every day. And

51:58
Speaker 19

guess how many trees have been replaced in those locations?

52:02
Speaker 19

None.

52:04
Speaker 19

So

52:05
Speaker 19

I know there are a lot of people who love trees. I've planted five on my property since I've been here. They're so important to our health, to the vibrancy of the community.

52:14
Speaker 19

People say, oh, I love that tree lined street because it's a pleasant thing.

52:20
Speaker 19

And I I just feel like whether these are public spaces or private spaces,

52:25
Speaker 19

we should have some system, at least when it comes to a historical thoroughfare that we have other regulatory organizations

52:32
Speaker 19

monitoring.

52:34
Speaker 19

Maybe consider,

52:36
Speaker 19

GLED to help in any capacity that I can,

52:39
Speaker 19

some kind of

52:40
Speaker 19

a defined process

52:42
Speaker 19

when comes to eliminating trees along Canton Street. So I guess my questions for you all are, and I'd and I'd love to speak with someone about it, is what is the process

52:52
Speaker 19

for removing trees along Canton Street? Because there are several left, but they're really not in great shape. So sooner rather than later, they're gonna be gone too.

53:01
Speaker 19

And just imagine Canton Street without any tree canopy.

53:05
Speaker 19

It would be very hot and uncomfortable and unattractive.

53:09
Speaker 19

Is there an ordinance in place that perhaps when someone takes out a permit, if one's required,

53:15
Speaker 19

to remove a tree that within an appropriate time period based on seasonal planting conditions

53:21
Speaker 19

or another tree of similar,

53:23
Speaker 19

not size, but species,

53:25
Speaker 19

perhaps a mature specimen could be designated or required to go in in that tree's place?

53:32
Speaker 19

And which city organ organization perhaps regulates,

53:36
Speaker 19

the tree health or the tree

53:38
Speaker 19

landscape? Is it the HPC?

53:41
Speaker 19

Is it parks and rec? Is it the DDA? I mean, sort of I guess my question is who's in charge

53:47
Speaker 19

or who's not paying attention?

53:50
Speaker 19

And we all know with trees, if you don't

53:53
Speaker 19

catch them or maintain them, next thing you know, they're all gone,

53:58
Speaker 19

and then we have nothing and we have to wait, you know, twenty years to have a similar look.

54:03
Speaker 19

So

54:04
Speaker 19

am I a tree hugger? Most definitely.

54:07
Speaker 19

Do I love Canton Street? Yes. Do I appreciate the opportunity

54:10
Speaker 19

to speak with you all and address this?

54:13
Speaker 19

Definitely. And if there's any way I can help,

54:16
Speaker 19

please send me in the right direction.

54:19
Speaker 19

Thank you. Thank

54:23
Speaker 2

you, Susan.

54:33
Speaker 1

Jackie, are you here?

54:35
Speaker 1

Do you wanna address trees? The tree ordinance? Are you

54:38
Speaker 1

I don't see Jeff or Michelle.

54:40
Speaker 1

You guys wanna address the trees?

54:42
Speaker 1

The specifics. Because of what is the plot what's the process for removing trees on Canton Street?

54:49
Speaker 1

Are there tree ordinances in place, especially when a tree is taken out?

54:54
Speaker 21

Which department of the city regulates the tree removal process? So the community development department is where the tree ordinance is in place. I'd say that again. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The community development department is,

55:07
Speaker 21

the tree ordinance is within the unified development code, which is run through the community development department.

55:12
Speaker 21

So trees that come out,

55:15
Speaker 21

if they were under on on Cannon Street, if they were businesses and they were going through a project or something, they might have had an expansion or I don't know. We'd have to take a look at the projects that went through over the last eight years.

55:28
Speaker 21

Some of them might have been doing expansion or,

55:31
Speaker 21

it could have been a dead tree.

55:33
Speaker 21

They would have been looked at the city arborist.

55:36
Speaker 21

I am not the arborist, in case anyone asks.

55:39
Speaker 21

But, they would have been looked through the city arborist and we'd have taken a look at the code as to whether or not the tree, needs to be removed. And they might have gone out and taken a look at it, and everything else could have been struck by lightning. I have no idea. I'd have to take a look at all the locations

55:52
Speaker 21

to see,

55:53
Speaker 21

why

55:54
Speaker 21

the trees were removed and take a look at this, the permits over the last eight years,

55:59
Speaker 21

for those locations to see what,

56:01
Speaker 21

what have been

56:02
Speaker 21

indicated and asked for by the applicants when they removed them. And we do have all that information,

56:08
Speaker 1

for the tree removal permits in the over the last eight years in our system. So we'll answer the eight the, Susan brought up, I think, several different locations. We can get those locations, Carol. Let's follow-up on those all those specific addresses, and then we'll answer those

56:22
Speaker 21

one by one. That'll work. We can if you can get that to us, we can take a look at the,

56:27
Speaker 21

addresses and review those over the last eight years for those 15 trees. Thanks. Are there tree ordinances in place, especially when a tree is taken out? We do have tree ordinance in place. We do have items that indicate,

56:40
Speaker 21

what for replanting.

56:41
Speaker 21

Depends on what how much you're taking out and what you plan on doing. And,

56:47
Speaker 21

there might be some stuff that you have to replant and sometimes you do not.

56:51
Speaker 1

And which arm or department of the city regulates the tree removal process?

56:56
Speaker 1

Green development department. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much, Jackie. Thank you, Susan.

57:01
Speaker 1

And Susan, we'll follow-up specifically on each of those addresses that you mentioned, and we'll follow-up on the if we miss it, we'll come back and look at the tape, and then we'll follow-up with you on that as well. Thank you. I am, I think that concludes

57:14
Speaker 1

the

57:16
Speaker 1

general items,

57:18
Speaker 1

and,

57:19
Speaker 1

thank you to everyone who participated in the general public comment.

57:22
Speaker 1

We appreciate the wide range of

57:25
Speaker 1

topics and concerns shared. At this time, I'd like to invite our city administrator, mister Randy Knight, to provide a brief overview of the Mimosa Hall Founders Park public comment process

57:35
Speaker 1

for the rest of the evening. Mister Knight. Alright.

57:38
Speaker 2

Good evening again and

57:41
Speaker 2

sorry. Good evening again and, thank you, for your patience.

57:46
Speaker 2

We will now begin the second segment of public comment, which is focused specifically on

57:51
Speaker 2

Mimosa Hall and Founders Park project. This topic has generated, of course, significant interest,

57:56
Speaker 2

and we want to ensure that those everyone's voices are heard,

58:00
Speaker 2

respectfully,

58:01
Speaker 2

and clearly this evening. As a reminder again,

58:05
Speaker 2

please, if you have not, fill out a comment card, if you would like to speak,

58:09
Speaker 2

and hand that to one of our members of staff. Ultimately, that makes its way to our city clerk,

58:14
Speaker 2

at the back of the room to call names.

58:16
Speaker 2

Each speaker, again, will be provided up to five minutes,

58:20
Speaker 2

and time may not be transferred or donated to another speaker.

58:24
Speaker 2

Each individual must speak, of course,

58:26
Speaker 2

for themselves, and please direct your remarks to the mayor and council,

58:30
Speaker 2

as a whole.

58:32
Speaker 2

We are recording and documenting all comments and questions, and if a point has already been raised, you may not need to, repeat that item since we already have it recorded, and we wanna make sure that you maximize,

58:43
Speaker 2

your time.

58:45
Speaker 2

Of course, again, no interruptions

58:47
Speaker 2

or,

58:48
Speaker 2

direction to anyone personally.

58:50
Speaker 2

And,

58:51
Speaker 2

of course, no disruptive,

58:53
Speaker 2

behavior, will be allowed. Again, I wanna make sure that everyone is given a full and fair opportunity to be heard.

58:59
Speaker 2

And following, this segment,

59:02
Speaker 2

the mayor may invite, members of staff,

59:05
Speaker 2

forward to respond to any key questions or themes,

59:08
Speaker 2

that have been raised. Again, thank you very much,

59:11
Speaker 1

for your patience. We look forward to hearing from you this evening, mayor Wilson. Thanks, mister Knighton. At this time, I'd like to invite recreation and parks director, Steven Malone, to come forward

59:20
Speaker 1

and give a brief overview. It'll be about five minutes of the Founders Park Mimosa Hole project for those who are watching

59:25
Speaker 1

that may not be familiar with it. And then after that, I will ask madam clerk for,

59:31
Speaker 1

speakers to come forward on public on Mimosa and Founders

59:35
Speaker 1

Park. Director Malone, welcome, sir.

59:39
Speaker 16

Good evening, mayor and council. I I'll try to make my comments brief tonight. I know there's a lot of people here tonight that wanna speak on the topic.

59:47
Speaker 16

As an organization, we strive to get the most accurate and up to date information into the hands of the public as soon as possible.

59:54
Speaker 16

All the information pertaining to this project can be found online at roswellconnections.com.

01:00:01
Speaker 16

Real quick, I wanted to take this opportunity to go through some of the key mile stones and dates associated with this project.

01:00:09
Speaker 16

And this project kicked off in March 20, March

01:00:14
Speaker 16

in 02/2004.

01:00:16
Speaker 16

We started this concept of what we're calling Founders Park. And the intent and purpose behind it was that we were trying to find an opportunity to create connectivity

01:00:26
Speaker 16

throughout our historic assets. And when I say historic assets, I'm primarily

01:00:31
Speaker 16

referencing

01:00:32
Speaker 16

Barrington Hall, Town Square,

01:00:34
Speaker 16

Holly Hill, Mimosa Hall, and Bullock Hall. They all have touch points and connectivity

01:00:39
Speaker 16

within them. So in March,

01:00:42
Speaker 16

we conducted,

01:00:44
Speaker 16

sixteen hours of what we called a design charrette,

01:00:47
Speaker 16

And that included staff, our design firm, the president of Friends of Mimosa,

01:00:52
Speaker 16

the president of,

01:00:54
Speaker 16

Bullock Hall, and additional representatives

01:00:57
Speaker 16

that were part of those boards.

01:00:59
Speaker 16

Throughout that exercise,

01:01:01
Speaker 16

the team was able to identify

01:01:03
Speaker 16

25 improvement projects,

01:01:06
Speaker 16

to include in this Founders Park plan. And we also went through an exercise to say, okay. What were those top

01:01:12
Speaker 16

five

01:01:13
Speaker 16

improvement projects that we wanted to select that we could activate.

01:01:18
Speaker 16

And that's where we started to drill into that plan a little bit more and kinda get more substance into the priorities.

01:01:24
Speaker 16

From March to September of twenty twenty four, we kinda went internal, and the design firm and the staff started to work and were fine on those top five priorities

01:01:34
Speaker 16

that came out of that design charrette.

01:01:37
Speaker 16

Those concepts

01:01:38
Speaker 16

were based and identified on those priorities.

01:01:41
Speaker 16

I think it's important to note that throughout the design process

01:01:54
Speaker 16

state historic preservation

01:01:55
Speaker 16

office to ensure compliance

01:01:58
Speaker 16

in historic preservation as it related to this project.

01:02:01
Speaker 16

On 09/12/2024,

01:02:04
Speaker 16

the project was presented to the Friends of Mimosa and Friends of Bullock,

01:02:08
Speaker 16

where we kind of provided a very high level overview

01:02:11
Speaker 16

we've kind of shared with the group.

01:02:13
Speaker 16

The presentation included key elements such as stormwater retention,

01:02:17
Speaker 16

an event lawn space, a restroom catering building, parking lot options,

01:02:22
Speaker 16

and vendor access.

01:02:25
Speaker 16

09/23/2024,

01:02:27
Speaker 16

we brought this project before the mayor and council, and we received

01:02:32
Speaker 16

initial

01:02:33
Speaker 16

project funding through ARPA funding. And I think it's important to reference the funding source.

01:02:38
Speaker 16

The ARPA funding that was received

01:02:41
Speaker 16

had to be encumbered before the conclusion of 2024,

01:02:45
Speaker 16

which meant all of those funding dollars

01:02:48
Speaker 16

must have been

01:02:49
Speaker 16

in internally

01:02:50
Speaker 16

procured

01:02:51
Speaker 16

or there was the potential and risk of losing access to those funds.

01:02:56
Speaker 16

We also went through the process of describing what was the construction manager risk procurement,

01:03:01
Speaker 16

which meant that we were bringing in a construction firm at about the 80% mark so that they could help push us through to the 100% design documents

01:03:10
Speaker 16

as it related to this plan. And that allowed for,

01:03:14
Speaker 16

much more refined and accurate cost estimation as we were going through the process.

01:03:19
Speaker 16

10/09/2024,

01:03:22
Speaker 16

the same presentation shared with Friends of Mimosa was also presented to the Historic Preservation Commission

01:03:27
Speaker 16

per city ordinance nine point one point two. That requires the project,

01:03:32
Speaker 16

be presented and,

01:03:34
Speaker 16

the board be afforded the opportunity to comment.

01:03:37
Speaker 16

No substantial comment was received at that time.

01:03:43
Speaker 16

November 12,

01:03:44
Speaker 16

additional ARPA funding was authorized by the mayor and council to complete all the phase one components.

01:03:50
Speaker 16

And then December through April 2025,

01:03:54
Speaker 16

the city, the design firm, and what we're calling the CMAR, the construction manager at risk,

01:03:59
Speaker 16

advanced

01:04:00
Speaker 16

the construction plans to a 100%

01:04:02
Speaker 16

documents.

01:04:03
Speaker 16

We received the final

01:04:06
Speaker 16

conformed construction documents on 04/18/2025.

01:04:10
Speaker 16

When we received those documents,

01:04:13
Speaker 16

they were immediately submitted through community development

01:04:16
Speaker 16

for all the official permitting process.

01:04:19
Speaker 16

On 05/01/2025,

01:04:22
Speaker 16

the approved land disturbance pit

01:04:24
Speaker 16

land disturbance permit was issued for the project,

01:04:27
Speaker 16

and that's where we were given

01:04:29
Speaker 16

the notice to proceed to the contractor.

01:04:32
Speaker 16

05/15/2025,

01:04:34
Speaker 16

regular scheduled meeting of the Friends of Mimosa,

01:04:37
Speaker 16

again, reviewed the high level project details.

01:04:40
Speaker 16

May 26, we started to mobilize construction on-site.

01:04:44
Speaker 16

And then June,

01:04:47
Speaker 16

a final site walk through with staff and the contractor

01:04:50
Speaker 16

was able to preserve three of the original slated trees for removal as we did our site walk.

01:04:56
Speaker 16

I I will take that this opportunity

01:04:59
Speaker 16

to to just tell the mayor and council that as professionals, we're always focused on continuous

01:05:05
Speaker 16

improvement. We're always looking for opportunities

01:05:08
Speaker 16

to be better. Communication

01:05:10
Speaker 16

is one of our top priorities,

01:05:12
Speaker 16

and we're actively

01:05:13
Speaker 16

looking for ways to enhance

01:05:15
Speaker 16

how we keep people informed as we move forward.

01:05:18
Speaker 16

I also wanna thank this mayor and council.

01:05:21
Speaker 16

It's an exciting project. We cannot talk about how great we think this project will be for all of the Roswell residents

01:05:30
Speaker 16

to enjoy the relevance of these historic assets as we move forward. And I wanna thank the elected body for the over $17,000,000

01:05:39
Speaker 16

in, city resources that you've provided over the last three and a half

01:05:44
Speaker 16

years that have gone towards our historic assets.

01:05:49
Speaker 1

Thank you, director Malone. Any other any other additional comments, sir? No, sir. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time and appreciate that short presentation. Thank you.

01:05:59
Speaker 1

Madam Clerk, how many speakers do we have for Mimosa Founders Park public comment?

01:06:04
Speaker 6

Mayor, we have 22 speakers on this topic. Outstanding.

01:06:08
Speaker 1

Yes, ma'am.

01:06:13
Speaker 1

Madam Clerk, would you call the first speaker, please?

01:06:16
Speaker 6

Sally McKenzie.

01:06:33
Speaker 22

Are you able to use the that's that's that's fraud.

01:06:36
Speaker 1

It's it's really for your public comment questions. I don't think it's for a public presentation.

01:06:41
Speaker 1

Is is any comments or questions you have or it's your time.

01:06:46
Speaker 24

We've always had the option in the past. I know I've used it in the past,

01:06:49
Speaker 24

at open mic nights.

01:06:52
Speaker 1

Do we have the ability for However

01:06:54
Speaker 1

Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on a second.

01:06:57
Speaker 16

Do we have the ability for We haven't seen it. Have we seen the presentation?

01:07:03
Speaker 24

Oh, it's just a video that that that shows what I'm talking about. I don't think you've seen the presentation.

01:07:10
Speaker 1

I see.

01:07:12
Speaker 24

It just helps

01:07:13
Speaker 24

me convey my message is all.

01:07:18
Speaker 2

I mean, I Hold on. Hold on. Wait. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's make sure that, you know, we're we're continuing to to engage and determine how we

01:07:26
Speaker 2

to best handle this. I think the one challenge is with any video that we have not been able to see that's gonna be publicly

01:07:33
Speaker 2

displayed,

01:07:34
Speaker 2

there could there could be a concern there. Obviously, there probably is not here. I'm just I'm just making the point. So give us just a moment. Okay. See if we can make that happen. Yeah. Give us just a moment. Do you want me to tell you what it is? It's

01:07:47
Speaker 2

Okay. Okay. Alright. Okay.

01:07:49
Speaker 2

Let's see. Do we have the ability to get,

01:07:52
Speaker 2

a thumb drive

01:07:53
Speaker 2

a thumb drive?

01:07:55
Speaker 2

Let's see. Hold on one second. We'll get it here for you.

01:08:06
Speaker 1

We need to publicly say that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:08:10
Speaker 2

Hold on one second. We'll we'll get you here.

01:08:15
Speaker 2

Figuring that out also because you said Yeah. We'll get that taken care of. Hold on one second.

01:08:50
Speaker 2

Okay. Alright. Miss McKenzie, let us get you set up here. Just a moment. Thank you.

01:09:08
Speaker 2

Well, just Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be a point of five minutes.

01:09:14
Speaker 24

You know

01:09:15
Speaker 24

what?

01:09:17
Speaker 24

Let's just

01:09:19
Speaker 24

the the video is fine.

01:09:21
Speaker 2

Alright. Are you

01:09:23
Speaker 2

oh, we'll keep that going here. We can get it plugged up here in just a moment.

01:09:29
Speaker 24

Thank

01:09:30
Speaker 24

you.

01:10:06
Speaker 24

There are errors on it.

01:10:08
Speaker 24

Yeah. Alright. That's fine. Can I just I'll just do the overhead? Thank you for trying. Thank you for all that. I don't know what Alright. Okay. We're gonna Alright. Sell it. The video

01:10:17
Speaker 1

doesn't work?

01:10:19
Speaker 24

No. There's errors errors on the thumb drive. Not they tried.

01:10:23
Speaker 24

Drive. I'm sorry. Alright. I can't I've well, I have my computer. I can send it, but I don't know. No.

01:10:32
Speaker 1

Do you wanna Sally, do you wanna try to

01:10:35
Speaker 1

come back later and try to send it?

01:10:39
Speaker 24

Go.

01:10:41
Speaker 24

Thank you.

01:10:49
Speaker 1

You're good to go.

01:10:51
Speaker 24

My name is Sally. Good evening, mayor and council.

01:10:54
Speaker 24

Thank you for,

01:10:55
Speaker 24

having us for this opportunity

01:10:57
Speaker 24

to speak about something that clearly,

01:10:59
Speaker 24

so many of us are passionate about.

01:11:02
Speaker 24

My name is Sally McKenzie. I've lived in Roswell for thirty years.

01:11:06
Speaker 24

The last 13 of those being at 47 Goulding Place in the historic district.

01:11:11
Speaker 24

I've been active in my community, including serving on the twenty thirty five Roswell comprehensive plan

01:11:18
Speaker 24

committee, and also the historic district master plan committee.

01:11:22
Speaker 24

Soon after moving to our current home in 2013,

01:11:25
Speaker 24

I watched in shock

01:11:27
Speaker 24

as the majority of the 16 acre property surrounding the historic Goulding House at the end of my street

01:11:33
Speaker 24

was clear cut.

01:11:35
Speaker 24

The amazing,

01:11:36
Speaker 24

amazing tree canopy and the specimen trees lining the street

01:11:42
Speaker 24

were all clear cut. Gone.

01:11:45
Speaker 24

I watched I also watched with disillusionment as the other developments in the historic district were approved. Developments that destroyed the very qualities

01:11:53
Speaker 24

that define

01:11:54
Speaker 24

that define it.

01:11:56
Speaker 24

So along with several other engaged Roswellians,

01:11:59
Speaker 24

I formed a group, a grassroots group called Citizens for Responsible Development in Roswell or CRDR.

01:12:05
Speaker 24

We were vocal in our fight for the recognition and protection of our city's defining qualities,

01:12:10
Speaker 24

including the tree canopy and green spaces that are woven into the fabric of Roswell.

01:12:16
Speaker 24

In late twenty sixteen, I received a call from the then City of Roswell's

01:12:22
Speaker 24

community development director.

01:12:25
Speaker 24

Very concerned, she told me that a commercial developer wanted to buy Mimosa Hall and had a plan to put 56 homes on the nine acre property.

01:12:35
Speaker 24

The plan called for keeping the house and most of the grounds intact

01:12:41
Speaker 24

while taking out the tree canopy and grading the surrounding land.

01:12:47
Speaker 24

Through CRDR,

01:12:49
Speaker 24

I met

01:12:50
Speaker 24

Michelle King and Gus Haydorn,

01:12:53
Speaker 24

two people who recognized that Mimosa

01:12:56
Speaker 24

Hall was a valuable natural, historic, and aesthetic asset, not only to Roswell, but to our state and beyond.

01:13:04
Speaker 24

I reached out to the Georgia Trust for Historic Preservation

01:13:07
Speaker 24

about the proposed sale.

01:13:09
Speaker 24

They placed Mimosa

01:13:11
Speaker 24

on their yearly 10 places in peril list

01:13:14
Speaker 24

because they also recognized the fact that Mimosa Hall was not just about the house.

01:13:20
Speaker 24

It was about the historic gardens,

01:13:22
Speaker 24

amazing specimen trees, and tree canopy that came together to make Mimosa Hall the amazing historic property that it is.

01:13:32
Speaker 24

Michelle and Gus

01:13:34
Speaker 24

took the ball and ran with it. Word quickly spread, and several more individuals

01:13:39
Speaker 24

who were passionate about Mimosa Hall became involved.

01:13:43
Speaker 24

And, thankfully,

01:13:45
Speaker 24

after much encouragement from from Roswell City from Roswell residents, the city agreed to buy Mimosa Hall

01:13:54
Speaker 24

in order to protect it from inappropriate

01:13:57
Speaker 24

development.

01:14:01
Speaker 24

In August of twenty seventeen, Michelle King, Gus Haydorn, Kelly Callan, Steve Gibson, and a few others, including myself, elected a board of directors for Friends of Mimosa Hall and Gardens,

01:14:12
Speaker 24

a group

01:14:14
Speaker 24

created for the sole purpose of advocating for the sustainable future of this amazing,

01:14:19
Speaker 24

truly magical place in Roswell.

01:14:21
Speaker 24

This early board dedicated so much of their time and even money to the mission of ensuring Mimosa would retain its historic integrity,

01:14:29
Speaker 24

and they also sought to add a vibrant new chapter to its story, one of community engagement,

01:14:36
Speaker 24

education, and enjoyment for decades to come.

01:14:40
Speaker 24

They rec they represented an important perspective,

01:14:43
Speaker 24

one not found

01:14:45
Speaker 24

under the dome at City Hall.

01:14:47
Speaker 24

They were the dedicated,

01:14:49
Speaker 24

passionate

01:14:50
Speaker 24

voice of Mimosa Hall and Gardens.

01:14:53
Speaker 24

So that's a little bit of history about the recent history of Mimosa.

01:14:59
Speaker 24

And I I just want to say that I know that maintaining our historic properties

01:15:04
Speaker 24

is extremely expensive,

01:15:07
Speaker 24

and I personally

01:15:08
Speaker 24

understand

01:15:09
Speaker 24

the city's desire,

01:15:11
Speaker 24

almost need,

01:15:13
Speaker 24

to monetize

01:15:15
Speaker 24

Mimosa,

01:15:18
Speaker 24

but only

01:15:19
Speaker 24

if it does not destroy the integrity of the property itself.

01:15:24
Speaker 24

Mimosa hall

01:15:26
Speaker 24

and gardens

01:15:27
Speaker 24

was worth so much more

01:15:30
Speaker 24

than the yearly income

01:15:32
Speaker 24

from an events venue.

01:15:35
Speaker 24

For those that insist that this was not clear cutting,

01:15:39
Speaker 24

we leave it to our fellow Roswell citizens to decide for themselves.

01:15:48
Speaker 24

Before.

01:15:53
Speaker 24

After.

01:15:55
Speaker 24

And I have just been made aware that they have now they have now proceeded to the East Side Of Monmouth, so where they're clear cutting for the retention pond. Miss McKenzie.

01:16:03
Speaker 2

Thank you. Yes. Your time has expired. Thank you so much.

01:16:08
Speaker 1

Thank you, Shelley.

01:16:14
Speaker 1

Thank you, Shelley.

01:16:17
Speaker 1

Madam Clerk.

01:16:21
Speaker 28

Will Cawley.

01:16:33
Speaker 29

Good evening.

01:16:35
Speaker 29

Hi, Will. My name is Will Collie.

01:16:38
Speaker 29

I own several commercial properties

01:16:40
Speaker 29

in the Roswell Historic District.

01:16:43
Speaker 29

I've developed real estate all across

01:16:47
Speaker 29

Atlanta.

01:16:48
Speaker 29

And Roswell is the best community, and I think for two reasons.

01:16:52
Speaker 29

The differentiators

01:16:53
Speaker 29

are the river and our historic assets.

01:16:57
Speaker 29

In fact, our company has saved two historic properties

01:17:01
Speaker 29

from likely destruction, one in Marietta and one in West Point, which was listed on the Georgia Trust for historic preservation

01:17:09
Speaker 29

places in Peril.

01:17:10
Speaker 29

We refurbished them and work with the state and U. S. Department of Interior to have them placed on the National Historic Register.

01:17:18
Speaker 29

So I'm particularly passionate about historic assets.

01:17:22
Speaker 29

First, I would like to thank the mayor and council,

01:17:25
Speaker 29

the staff

01:17:27
Speaker 29

for our attention and support

01:17:29
Speaker 29

of these historic assets.

01:17:32
Speaker 29

I appreciate the city putting over $5,000,000

01:17:35
Speaker 29

in the Mimosa project this year alone, plus about $700,000

01:17:39
Speaker 29

every year into the historic assets.

01:17:43
Speaker 29

And I also appreciate all the people in the community

01:17:45
Speaker 29

that offer support either financially or through hard work.

01:17:49
Speaker 29

We're celebrating the 120

01:17:52
Speaker 29

of Teddy Roosevelt's historic visit here.

01:17:55
Speaker 29

We have activated

01:17:57
Speaker 29

great events such as the

01:17:59
Speaker 29

Christkindl market at Bullock Hall.

01:18:02
Speaker 29

Ultimately, I would like to see

01:18:04
Speaker 29

many events at Mimosa, Barrington, and Bullock, and to make them self sustaining and even a greater draw to Roswell,

01:18:12
Speaker 29

where many more people

01:18:15
Speaker 29

get to come to this community

01:18:16
Speaker 29

and see these great great great houses.

01:18:20
Speaker 29

But

01:18:20
Speaker 29

I understand that

01:18:23
Speaker 29

this means parking. This means ADA compliance.

01:18:26
Speaker 29

This means fire truck as access.

01:18:30
Speaker 29

This means

01:18:31
Speaker 29

many things that have to be built

01:18:34
Speaker 29

in order for people to

01:18:36
Speaker 29

to to enjoy these over the years.

01:18:39
Speaker 29

But this is something not only for our generation, but for generations to come.

01:18:44
Speaker 29

Clearly,

01:18:45
Speaker 29

people in this room do not agree on the path on Nobody is gonna agree on the path taken.

01:18:52
Speaker 29

But I think we can agree on the goal of preserving these living monuments and creating a one of a kind

01:18:58
Speaker 29

Roswell

01:18:59
Speaker 29

experience

01:19:00
Speaker 29

that's accessible and open to the public.

01:19:04
Speaker 29

So I would encourage this body to continue their support of the historic assets

01:19:08
Speaker 29

and ensure their continued viability in the future. Thank you. Thank you, Will.

01:19:18
Speaker 6

Madam Clerk.

01:19:20
Speaker 6

Jerry Wood.

01:19:30
Speaker 30

My name is Jerry Wood.

01:19:32
Speaker 30

I live at,

01:19:34
Speaker 30

10850

01:19:35
Speaker 30

Stroop Road.

01:19:36
Speaker 30

Been in Roswell now seventy six years.

01:19:39
Speaker 30

Been in the mayor's seat for twenty.

01:19:42
Speaker 30

First, I wanna thank this council for purchasing the grass field at the corner of Hardscrabble and Chaffin Road.

01:19:48
Speaker 30

I supported the city's purchase of the 25 acres next to that in 2016.

01:19:53
Speaker 30

I support the city's plans to develop

01:19:56
Speaker 30

this property for athletic fields.

01:19:59
Speaker 30

I support the city's plans to build trails to connect

01:20:03
Speaker 30

the historic district.

01:20:05
Speaker 30

And I hope the city expands these trails to create a trail from the Chattahoochee River all the way to Cam Street.

01:20:12
Speaker 30

I do not support the unnecessary removal of 150 year old oak, cedar, and poplar trees

01:20:18
Speaker 30

to make way for parking lots and detention ponds.

01:20:22
Speaker 30

I do not support the destruction

01:20:25
Speaker 30

of the gardens at Mimosa that were planted in 1850 by John Dunwoody.

01:20:30
Speaker 30

I do not support the grading at Mimosa Hall

01:20:33
Speaker 30

was which was done before conducting an archeological

01:20:36
Speaker 30

survey as required by this city.

01:20:40
Speaker 30

I do not support the city exempting themselves

01:20:43
Speaker 30

from the rules that it makes its citizens follow follow.

01:20:46
Speaker 30

Primarily, the tree protection ordinance, which this city completely ignored.

01:20:51
Speaker 30

I do not support the city breaking the law and then trying to cover up and justify its illegal actions.

01:20:59
Speaker 30

I have been told that the city will replace the trees that John Dunwoody planted.

01:21:04
Speaker 30

If there's space to replant trees, why did the 150 year old trees have to be removed in the first place if you're just gonna tear them down and replace them?

01:21:18
Speaker 30

Does the city really believe

01:21:20
Speaker 30

it can plant new trees to replace those 150 year old trees planted by John Dunwoody?

01:21:26
Speaker 30

I have been told that the city needs

01:21:28
Speaker 30

to put a parking lot next to Mimosa Hall

01:21:31
Speaker 30

to attract visitors.

01:21:33
Speaker 30

Does the city really believe

01:21:36
Speaker 30

that a parking lot will attract more visitors than the historic gardens?

01:21:42
Speaker 30

I've been told that a parking lot is needed to generate income to maintain historic properties.

01:21:47
Speaker 30

How much does the city really expect

01:21:50
Speaker 30

to,

01:21:51
Speaker 30

earn from these special events?

01:21:53
Speaker 30

There's several other historic homes in Roswell

01:21:57
Speaker 30

that are available for specs for special events.

01:22:01
Speaker 30

None of these are making a fortune.

01:22:04
Speaker 30

Roswell's track record for generating income from special events is no better.

01:22:10
Speaker 30

As for the city's financial projections,

01:22:12
Speaker 30

the city budgeted $2,000,000

01:22:14
Speaker 30

of revenue from parking this year.

01:22:18
Speaker 30

That's the value of the city's projections. They're valueless.

01:22:23
Speaker 30

The city did not acquire Mimosa Hall to make money.

01:22:27
Speaker 30

The city purchased most of Mimosa Hall to protect it from development.

01:22:31
Speaker 30

Mimosa Hall used to be my favorite historic property

01:22:35
Speaker 30

because of the gardens, because of the trees that surrounded the house that were there when Teddy Roosevelt traveled

01:22:42
Speaker 30

from the White House in Washington DC by train and horse drawn carriage to visit his mother's home

01:22:48
Speaker 30

and friends in Roswell.

01:22:50
Speaker 30

It's no longer my favorite property. I'm ashamed of what's been done on that property.

01:22:55
Speaker 30

Alpharetta has shopping malls in a new downtown,

01:22:58
Speaker 30

and Milton has horse farms, but no one in Metro Atlanta has anything to compare to Roswell's historic district.

01:23:06
Speaker 30

Our historic district attracts more than visitors.

01:23:09
Speaker 30

It attracts people to live in Roswell and businesses to invest in Roswell.

01:23:14
Speaker 30

We cannot afford to irreparably damage our historic district for the space sake of special events parking.

01:23:24
Speaker 30

Now there's a debate about this, but I can tell you the city did not it let anyone know that the trees how many trees it planned to remove before clear cutting the 4.5 acres next to Mimosa.

01:23:34
Speaker 30

There were no public hearings.

01:23:36
Speaker 30

The Friends of Mimosa and Friends of Bullock were not told how many trees would be removed.

01:23:41
Speaker 30

Historic Preservation in the Historic Society was not told. Not even the city council was shown the final plans that showed how many trees were gonna be removed.

01:23:50
Speaker 30

Why wasn't anyone told?

01:23:53
Speaker 30

Because the city knew that if they told us

01:23:56
Speaker 30

they planned to clear cut 4.5 acres of specimen trees, the city citizens would rise up in opposition.

01:24:05
Speaker 30

I've been told that the city didn't clear cut the land.

01:24:09
Speaker 30

I agree.

01:24:11
Speaker 30

The city just didn't just clear cut the land. They raped the land. Oh my god. They removed all vegetation.

01:24:19
Speaker 30

I am Praise the ground law.

01:24:22
Speaker 30

After no trace

01:24:24
Speaker 26

There's what was there before the race. There's there's no room for that. How that construction has begun

01:24:29
Speaker 2

In this context, he's doing nothing to protect the truth. Hold on one second, sir. Didn't cut down. Mister Wood, sir, please hold on one second. One of our council members,

01:24:38
Speaker 26

wanted to speak and had a comment. There's no room for the use of the word rape in this context, sir.

01:24:44
Speaker 19

It's in a it's not a no. No. No. No.

01:24:49
Speaker 30

No. No. No. That's in there. You can use your term. I can use my term. I call it rape when

01:24:55
Speaker 2

you Alright. Yes. Yes, sir. Mister Wood, mister your mister

01:24:58
Speaker 30

Wood, your time has expired, sir. No. I've not my time has not expired because I was interrupted. Your time expired. Let me just say this. Your time expired. Is over until we say it's over. Mister Wood. And it ain't over. Mister Wood. The city has lost the trust of its citizens Your time expired, sir. Let this happen

01:25:16
Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you. Alright.

01:25:27
Speaker 2

And, certainly, mister Wood, certainly thank, everybody's,

01:25:32
Speaker 2

comments, opportunity to speak and, of course,

01:25:36
Speaker 2

with the notation,

01:25:38
Speaker 2

made by

01:25:40
Speaker 2

council member Hills.

01:25:41
Speaker 2

And also, I think it's appropriate at this point, given,

01:25:45
Speaker 2

a couple of things that you mentioned.

01:25:48
Speaker 2

You used the term breaking the law. You used the term

01:25:51
Speaker 2

illegal actions, and I think it, is only appropriate when,

01:25:55
Speaker 2

such stark allegations are made against the city,

01:26:00
Speaker 2

that,

01:26:01
Speaker 2

our chief legal counsel, mister Davidson,

01:26:03
Speaker 2

perhaps address,

01:26:05
Speaker 2

those allegations that were made.

01:26:09
Speaker 2

No, sir. Thank you, mister You're five you're five minutes is up, sir.

01:26:14
Speaker 30

Mister Davidson and the city has broken the law Sir. Sir.

01:26:18
Speaker 31

Yes. Sir. Sir. Sir. Thank you, sir. We we are well aware of the complaint. Hold on. We are well aware of the complaint,

01:26:26
Speaker 31

and I will not respond.

01:26:28
Speaker 31

I I will call on the assistant city attorney, a former prosecutor,

01:26:32
Speaker 31

and also the deputy director of the state ethics commission to come forward and address any of your concerns.

01:26:40
Speaker 2

Alright. Hold on. Hold on. Want that ethics. Hold on one second. Hold on one second, ma'am, please. Let's let's be respectful to everybody who's who's given an opportunity to speak.

01:26:49
Speaker 2

And since there were certain phrases that were mentioned, I think it's only appropriate,

01:26:53
Speaker 2

that the city, have an opportunity to respond,

01:26:57
Speaker 2

to, those terms. And I think it may bring some clarity to this discussion, which is what I think we all are here tonight, and we'll make sure that we continue to allow everyone an opportunity to speak. So thank you very much. Mister Cusack.

01:27:09
Speaker 22

Thank you, mister Knighton. I I think it's important to

01:27:13
Speaker 22

to talk about how this process went and sort of the background I'm coming from. So I served as the deputy director for the state ethics commission and,

01:27:24
Speaker 22

enforced the campaign finance and ethics in government act for all the state government,

01:27:29
Speaker 22

at the capitol.

01:27:30
Speaker 22

Government ethics is something I take very seriously, and I've spoken at the council on government ethics and,

01:27:36
Speaker 22

am a a panel member for them at their annual conference. And this was something when mister Wood,

01:27:43
Speaker 22

filed an actual police report on Friday, it came to our office to make sure that we complied with

01:27:49
Speaker 22

our ordinance and the processes that are in place.

01:27:53
Speaker 22

Mister Wood

01:27:55
Speaker 22

filed this

01:27:57
Speaker 22

complaint at the Roswell Police Department.

01:28:00
Speaker 22

When the UDC was actually adopted in 2014,

01:28:03
Speaker 22

the enforcement agency for the UDC is is code enforcement. It's not the police department. It's not,

01:28:09
Speaker 22

that's not their realm of specialty. That's not where they have the jurisdiction,

01:28:15
Speaker 22

for the UDC. It it it comes into code enforcement.

01:28:19
Speaker 22

But then he said that the city violated its own ordinance and the process behind removing these trees.

01:28:27
Speaker 22

The tree removal ordinance for this particular project

01:28:31
Speaker 22

was

01:28:32
Speaker 22

evaluated by our arborist, and it was then approved by the engineering department.

01:28:39
Speaker 22

Justification for removal of the specimen trees,

01:28:42
Speaker 22

there had to be, as part of those construction plans,

01:28:46
Speaker 22

a actual

01:28:48
Speaker 22

tree removal permit done and a justification as to why those trees were being removed. Now part of this is for a stormwater,

01:28:55
Speaker 22

detention pond,

01:28:56
Speaker 22

which is exempt under our tree ordinance.

01:29:00
Speaker 22

So what that meant was that about 40% of the trees were actually gonna be removed because they don't apply,

01:29:06
Speaker 22

on the streamer tree permit. They're exempt. Now the other 60% that dealt with the,

01:29:13
Speaker 22

with the parking lot,

01:29:15
Speaker 22

there had to be the justification for the removal there. The justification was put on those construction plans, which was evaluated by the arborist, which was then signed off by the engineering division,

01:29:25
Speaker 22

and those plans were then signed off by everyone else within the city. It's routed through community development to to the various different departments, transportation,

01:29:34
Speaker 22

and all the other departments that weigh in on a land disturbance permit. So we actually did follow our ordinance to a t.

01:29:41
Speaker 22

The city, it the proper processes were in place.

01:29:44
Speaker 22

The proper people evaluated

01:29:46
Speaker 22

what trees needed to be removed and why they were being removed and the justification

01:29:51
Speaker 22

for their removal.

01:29:52
Speaker 22

Those were evaluated by the people who have those qualifications.

01:29:57
Speaker 22

I I certainly

01:29:59
Speaker 22

sympathize with people who

01:30:02
Speaker 22

want trees to to stay here, but also there is a process for this to occur and that process occurred here.

01:30:09
Speaker 22

So

01:30:11
Speaker 22

we followed our ordinance to a tee,

01:30:14
Speaker 22

and there's there's really nothing from a procedure standpoint that we could have done any different in this matter.

01:30:20
Speaker 1

Thank you, mister Cusack.

01:30:22
Speaker 1

Alright. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your time.

01:30:25
Speaker 1

Madam clerk.

01:30:29
Speaker 6

Janet Russell.

01:30:41
Speaker 27

Good evening. My name is Janet Russell, and I've lived in Roswell in the same home since 1973

01:30:47
Speaker 27

in the historic district.

01:30:50
Speaker 27

I coined the phrase many years ago, Russell won the geography lottery.

01:30:54
Speaker 27

Someone else who was running for an elected office said they did, but, no, I did. We're the only city in Metro Atlanta that sits on rolling hills

01:31:03
Speaker 27

covered with forests

01:31:05
Speaker 27

through which creeks run down to a full river with no commercial development.

01:31:10
Speaker 27

Most cities would kill for one of those little winnings.

01:31:13
Speaker 27

Unfortunately,

01:31:14
Speaker 27

we're squandering like some lottery winners, one of the winnings, the trees.

01:31:20
Speaker 27

Roswell has a nice long history of squandering their inheritance of trees, and I'll give you a few brief ideas.

01:31:27
Speaker 27

But first, I would like to recognize

01:31:30
Speaker 27

a man named Zachary Henderson,

01:31:32
Speaker 27

who passed away last week at the age of 91.

01:31:36
Speaker 27

Zachary was an architect who lived in Roswell.

01:31:39
Speaker 27

His office was on Canton Street.

01:31:43
Speaker 27

He designed the,

01:31:45
Speaker 27

recycling center.

01:31:47
Speaker 27

He was part of the Laidolith Foundation.

01:31:49
Speaker 27

He was very active in the Young Life group and designed two projects, one in Colorado Springs and one in North Carolina.

01:31:56
Speaker 27

He also designed this area around the Faces Of War Memorial.

01:32:01
Speaker 27

So I worked with the committee to design this. I wasn't the designer, I was just one of the envelope pushers and things like that.

01:32:09
Speaker 27

But what I find interesting is,

01:32:12
Speaker 27

the last time I saw mister Henderson,

01:32:14
Speaker 27

he was a very kind, gentle man.

01:32:17
Speaker 27

His dad was a blacksmith. He grew up with a love of horses, so he and his wife had a horse rescue branch

01:32:23
Speaker 27

nearby

01:32:25
Speaker 27

till she passed away.

01:32:27
Speaker 27

However,

01:32:28
Speaker 27

one day, the last time I saw him was about maybe ten years ago in Room 220. You know I all everybody, I have a really good memory because I'm not looking at a telephone.

01:32:37
Speaker 27

I'm listening

01:32:38
Speaker 27

and I write in cursive.

01:32:41
Speaker 27

No no

01:32:42
Speaker 27

fast flash drives or any of that.

01:32:44
Speaker 27

When I sat there at that meeting that day, he was invited because we were discussing the city green,

01:32:50
Speaker 27

which I termed the city brown, because it involved clear cutting every tree on this property,

01:32:56
Speaker 27

so we could be like downtown Alpharetta.

01:33:00
Speaker 27

And,

01:33:01
Speaker 27

mister,

01:33:03
Speaker 27

Henderson

01:33:04
Speaker 27

said was called to ask talk about it because he designed the area, not the memorial.

01:33:09
Speaker 27

That was a national competition with anonymous submissions, and fairly and squarely, two sculptors from Roswell won it.

01:33:16
Speaker 27

However, he designed all of this. There's a reason that is exactly on the axis of this building. It's about aesthetics.

01:33:23
Speaker 27

And as he was discussing the need for the trees, because he was a lover of nature, he was an LEED certified architect,

01:33:30
Speaker 27

long before that was a fashionable thing, he was building sustainable properties and projects.

01:33:37
Speaker 27

He oh, he built the community center, the gathering center at the High Meadow School, among other things. He was active also in Jacob's Ladder

01:33:46
Speaker 27

and a few other things. I have to talk quickly. I'm sorry. I was talking about mister Henderson.

01:33:51
Speaker 27

But as he sat there and he discussed it,

01:33:54
Speaker 27

the then mayor,

01:33:56
Speaker 27

who has

01:33:57
Speaker 27

left the building,

01:34:00
Speaker 27

proclaimed,

01:34:01
Speaker 27

we don't have to manage anything. There's no written contract.

01:34:06
Speaker 27

Of course, in his wonderful bellicose manner.

01:34:09
Speaker 27

And, mister Henderson said, sir, there was no written contract because it was an agreement among gentlemen.

01:34:16
Speaker 27

And I thought, what a concept,

01:34:18
Speaker 27

gentlemen.

01:34:19
Speaker 27

Of course, in Georgia, I think an agreement between consent verbal agreement between consenting adults is a binding contract because our law is based on British common law.

01:34:30
Speaker 27

So that said, two

01:34:32
Speaker 27

one day, I come to the Saturday morning farmers market and there's truckloads of trees coming that are stacked up back here.

01:34:39
Speaker 27

No plans,

01:34:40
Speaker 27

no designs, no approvals, a 100 series were taken down in Friday nights and hauled off. No permissions, no designs. But we did spend $2,500,000

01:34:51
Speaker 27

on design ideas that involved moving the memorial behind the slave quarters and cutting down all these trees.

01:34:58
Speaker 27

So, they set a precedent

01:35:00
Speaker 27

for doing things behind our back and hoping we wouldn't notice.

01:35:04
Speaker 27

But we did.

01:35:05
Speaker 27

The same mayor, when they were gonna cut down a 150 year old tree down by, what they built Old Town on King on Highway 9, when we told him it was a 150 year old tree, he said, so cut it down. We'll just plant another one.

01:35:19
Speaker 27

Interesting

01:35:20
Speaker 27

to me.

01:35:21
Speaker 27

There used to be a tree at Holcomb Bridge in 9, where now it's a bank, Chase Bank.

01:35:25
Speaker 27

That had a 200 year old tree and we fought crazy

01:35:28
Speaker 27

and they didn't pay attention.

01:35:31
Speaker 27

Please be aware that the, heart of gate the heart of Ros the Gateway Project will cut down all the trees on both sides of Highway 9 in our historic district,

01:35:40
Speaker 27

and cut 70 feet into the national park,

01:35:43
Speaker 27

which means the runoff into the river

01:35:46
Speaker 27

through the water treatment plant will create a horrible sewage mess. I know my time is up. Your time has expired, ma'am. Okay. And one more thing, whoever came up with the name Founders Park, it's really boring. Thank you, ma'am.

01:35:59
Speaker 1

Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you, Janet.

01:36:03
Speaker 1

Thank you, Janet.

01:36:05
Speaker 1

Thank you, Janet. Madam Clerk.

01:36:08
Speaker 6

Mary Robuchaw.

01:36:22
Speaker 28

Good evening.

01:36:24
Speaker 28

Obviously, there's gonna be lots of speakers about Mimosa Hall and other things

01:36:29
Speaker 28

tonight.

01:36:30
Speaker 28

And I and I wanna talk about that a little bit, but I also wanna start this out from my perspective

01:36:36
Speaker 28

of reading the mayor's top priorities for 2025

01:36:39
Speaker 28

from your own website and your postings.

01:36:42
Speaker 28

And it states complete

01:36:45
Speaker 28

continue transforming

01:36:47
Speaker 28

how local government works.

01:36:50
Speaker 28

Teamwork,

01:36:51
Speaker 28

accountability,

01:36:52
Speaker 28

responsive,

01:36:53
Speaker 28

solution oriented,

01:36:55
Speaker 28

innovative,

01:36:56
Speaker 28

and stewarding with integrity.

01:36:59
Speaker 28

Read it off of the website. Lots of great projects here.

01:37:05
Speaker 28

I'm gonna say a few things.

01:37:08
Speaker 28

I've been in some of your shoe

01:37:10
Speaker 28

your shoes as an elected official.

01:37:12
Speaker 28

I think what we all have to recognize

01:37:14
Speaker 28

is that our constituents'

01:37:16
Speaker 28

perspective

01:37:18
Speaker 28

is their reality.

01:37:20
Speaker 28

I think we're having

01:37:22
Speaker 28

issues over and over and over again

01:37:26
Speaker 28

because

01:37:27
Speaker 28

I do not see a lot of active listening

01:37:30
Speaker 28

going on

01:37:31
Speaker 28

from our mayor, city council members.

01:37:35
Speaker 28

It seems that things happen,

01:37:38
Speaker 28

then the citizens

01:37:39
Speaker 28

find out about it.

01:37:42
Speaker 28

They start petitions.

01:37:44
Speaker 28

They make lots of phone calls. Trust me, I've received plenty of those also.

01:37:49
Speaker 28

But instead of asking what the citizens want beforehand

01:37:54
Speaker 28

and being totally transparent and open,

01:37:58
Speaker 28

that's not what happened here. Even in the pres five minute presentation before,

01:38:03
Speaker 28

you said what was shown to many people

01:38:05
Speaker 28

was the initial design or the high level design.

01:38:10
Speaker 28

You had a high level design

01:38:12
Speaker 28

that was completed according to what I believe I saw was on April

01:38:19
Speaker 28

of this year.

01:38:21
Speaker 28

But was also stated on May 15,

01:38:24
Speaker 28

you once again showed only the high level design

01:38:27
Speaker 28

to the Friends of Mimosa Hall.

01:38:30
Speaker 28

I don't understand why that would have been done.

01:38:34
Speaker 10

Then

01:38:37
Speaker 28

May but but in between, April 18 is when you had your final design given to the city from what was stated.

01:38:44
Speaker 28

You went ahead and got permits on May 1

01:38:47
Speaker 28

issued by the city.

01:38:49
Speaker 28

You then went ahead and, again, showed only the high level design on May 15

01:38:56
Speaker 28

to Friends of Mimosa Hall,

01:38:58
Speaker 28

and yet the cutting started May '26, eleven days later.

01:39:03
Speaker 28

I've you know, it's it's difficult as a citizen

01:39:07
Speaker 28

to understand

01:39:08
Speaker 28

why were these things this high level only shown to certain people.

01:39:13
Speaker 28

My problem also I think a lot of us, our problems is this isn't the first time, unfortunately, this has happened or that it appears to have happened.

01:39:21
Speaker 28

The Masonic Lodge, it was done and then, of course, citizens

01:39:26
Speaker 28

rallied,

01:39:27
Speaker 28

petitioned, called, sent emails,

01:39:29
Speaker 28

you know. And and I know I know what that's like.

01:39:33
Speaker 28

In my time, on average, on some issues, I would see receive a thousand a day.

01:39:40
Speaker 28

I always try to respond to all of them and it's difficult

01:39:43
Speaker 28

or to at least try to talk to people beforehand.

01:39:46
Speaker 28

I think we're getting into this cycle

01:39:49
Speaker 28

that

01:39:50
Speaker 28

the closure of Canton Street for, you know, for parking. Our parking situation that all of it was at one time it was gonna be paid, one time it's not.

01:39:57
Speaker 28

We get into issues, the Rousing Housing Authority.

01:40:01
Speaker 28

I understand, but you appoint the people that sit on that authority.

01:40:05
Speaker 28

It is appointed through the mayor.

01:40:08
Speaker 28

So when when we ask

01:40:10
Speaker 28

why are we not informed fully or our input given

01:40:14
Speaker 28

before these decisions

01:40:16
Speaker 28

are made

01:40:17
Speaker 28

or even discussed.

01:40:19
Speaker 28

Citizens should be brought into the discussion and listened to

01:40:23
Speaker 28

early

01:40:23
Speaker 28

and often.

01:40:25
Speaker 28

It's a hard thing to do.

01:40:27
Speaker 28

Trust me. I know how hard it is.

01:40:30
Speaker 28

It's hard to do.

01:40:32
Speaker 28

But that, to me, is how we have that conversation

01:40:35
Speaker 28

back and forth as you talked about as we talked about.

01:40:38
Speaker 28

That's the way we all want to be governed, and that's the way I would hope you consider

01:40:44
Speaker 28

moving forward at some point listening

01:40:46
Speaker 28

before these kinds of decisions are made behind

01:40:50
Speaker 28

closed doors because that's what's happened here. Because, again, from our perspective,

01:40:54
Speaker 28

you're paving over the history

01:40:56
Speaker 28

to put up a parking lot. And once again, you don't even seem to know what we've got till it's gone, and it's gone.

01:41:03
Speaker 28

Thank you.

01:41:14
Speaker 1

Thank you, Mary.

01:41:16
Speaker 1

Madam Clerk?

01:41:17
Speaker 6

Arandara Bromley.

01:41:30
Speaker 14

Good evening. My name is Erin Bromley. I live in Martin's Landing. Good evening. I wanna read a statement from a friend because it clearly states what many of us think about one specific aspect of this project.

01:41:42
Speaker 14

And she said,

01:41:43
Speaker 14

I implore Roswell Leadership to step back and rethink their approach to this park, including its name. As an African American resident of Roswell for almost twenty years, I will not be at all excited about a new park that once again focuses on uplifting the antebellum

01:42:00
Speaker 14

period

01:42:01
Speaker 14

and our slave owning fathers.

01:42:04
Speaker 14

That does not diminish their positive contributions.

01:42:07
Speaker 14

This is about using cultural awareness and racial empathy to avoid putting an ever bigger spotlight on one specific time period in Roswell's history.

01:42:18
Speaker 14

Roswell doesn't begin and end with the slave owners who formally established the city.

01:42:24
Speaker 14

There is important history related to this land that happened before that.

01:42:28
Speaker 14

There is important and compelling history that happened in Roswell during the twentieth century.

01:42:34
Speaker 14

At this point, it feels like a very stubborn and different determination

01:42:38
Speaker 14

of the part part of the city

01:42:40
Speaker 14

to get deeper into a problematic position because god knows the city has done more than enough to at least these men.

01:42:48
Speaker 14

It's an uninspired

01:42:50
Speaker 14

and limited park name.

01:42:53
Speaker 14

Now, that was her. Personally, I think that name is inappropriate for two reasons.

01:42:59
Speaker 14

One is that it gives a heroic effect to the people who established this city using enslaved labor and built plantations

01:43:06
Speaker 14

that further exploited and enslaved people.

01:43:09
Speaker 14

Two,

01:43:10
Speaker 14

the Cherokee inhabited this area.

01:43:13
Speaker 14

This part of Georgia was called the Cherokee Nation.

01:43:16
Speaker 14

So if we wanna make it about founders,

01:43:19
Speaker 14

they were here first.

01:43:24
Speaker 14

Albeit

01:43:25
Speaker 14

one of during the Cherokee removal by president Andrew Jackson.

01:43:30
Speaker 14

A name like Founders

01:43:32
Speaker 14

chosen to celebrate the families of Roswell King

01:43:36
Speaker 14

further erases native Americans from Georgia history.

01:43:41
Speaker 14

So that's one part. The rest, I'm also not happy about seeing this part complete compete with other Roswell small businesses such as event menus and restaurants.

01:43:51
Speaker 14

And I definitely don't wanna be in the news because my city is officially holding plantation weddings in the year of our lord 2025.

01:44:03
Speaker 14

Another friend,

01:44:05
Speaker 14

and I'm gonna put another friend,

01:44:07
Speaker 14

He said, we are in the parking business. We're in the real estate business. We're entering the wedding and event businesses and the soccer business.

01:44:16
Speaker 14

How about concentrating on the government business?

01:44:19
Speaker 14

But to die to that, I reply,

01:44:22
Speaker 14

let's reframe our vision.

01:44:25
Speaker 14

Why don't we stop running our city as a business?

01:44:28
Speaker 14

Our government is not supposed to make profits its main priority.

01:44:33
Speaker 14

Does fixing potholes generate a profit?

01:44:36
Speaker 14

Does picking up trash generate a profit?

01:44:39
Speaker 14

Does providing a library provide a profit?

01:44:42
Speaker 14

No. Our local government is supposed to make life better and safe for all its residents regardless of personal preferences in entertainment

01:44:52
Speaker 14

or age or income. So let's reframe our work. Thank you.

01:44:57
Speaker 12

Yeah.

01:45:06
Speaker 1

Thank you, Aaron.

01:45:07
Speaker 2

Go ahead. Do it now?

01:45:09
Speaker 2

Yeah. Do it one more. Yeah. Okay.

01:45:11
Speaker 2

One more. Madam Clerk.

01:45:14
Speaker 6

Richard O'Donnell.

01:45:38
Speaker 32

Hello, all.

01:45:39
Speaker 32

Richard O'Donnell, 555

01:45:41
Speaker 32

Lakemont

01:45:42
Speaker 32

Court, Roswell.

01:45:45
Speaker 32

Ten years, Roswell Planning Commission, twelve years, Roswell Board of Zoning Appeals, thirty six years.

01:45:53
Speaker 32

In Roswell, forty three year Georgia

01:45:56
Speaker 32

attorney.

01:45:59
Speaker 32

I'm here to talk about the tree ordinance. There seems to be a fair amount

01:46:05
Speaker 32

of dispute about it, and I certainly dispute some of the remarks that mister Cusack,

01:46:11
Speaker 32

has made.

01:46:14
Speaker 32

Let me start by dispelling

01:46:17
Speaker 32

the

01:46:17
Speaker 32

misimpression

01:46:19
Speaker 32

that apparently someone on the council have, multiple members have had, they've expressed to

01:46:26
Speaker 32

this group

01:46:28
Speaker 32

that,

01:46:29
Speaker 32

the city is exempt from the tree ordinance.

01:46:32
Speaker 32

Clearly not.

01:46:33
Speaker 32

Not in the twenty two years that I was on boards and commissions.

01:46:37
Speaker 32

Was that the case?

01:46:39
Speaker 32

And it was never the case when it was enacted in 1994

01:46:44
Speaker 32

that the city was ever to be

01:46:48
Speaker 32

exempt from the ordinances.

01:46:51
Speaker 32

Certainly not as

01:46:52
Speaker 32

a property owner. As a property owner, the city is subject to the same regulations,

01:46:58
Speaker 32

and it's very clear in the tree ordinance and in the UDC in its entirety, it applies to all property.

01:47:06
Speaker 32

There are exemptions

01:47:07
Speaker 32

listed in the tree ordinance. None of them apply to the city as land.

01:47:14
Speaker 32

And just to make it crystal clear,

01:47:18
Speaker 32

I point you all to,

01:47:22
Speaker 32

page.

01:47:27
Speaker 2

Can we get the Yeah. We'll get we'll get that

01:47:31
Speaker 2

I'll stop your time there. I'll stop your time for a moment. We got it in just a second. Thank you then. Let me cheat in the meanwhile.

01:47:39
Speaker 2

You could you can you can place it there now, and we'll restart your time, sir, when you begin speaking.

01:47:57
Speaker 32

Do that language

01:47:59
Speaker 32

by taking off my glasses.

01:48:01
Speaker 32

Note one,

01:48:03
Speaker 32

provisions for pretree

01:48:05
Speaker 32

protection of the site shall be as a minimum in conformance with the requirements of the latest edition of the City Of Roswell

01:48:12
Speaker 32

tree protection

01:48:14
Speaker 32

ordinance,

01:48:15
Speaker 32

zoning ordinance, and administrative

01:48:17
Speaker 32

guidelines

01:48:18
Speaker 32

pertaining

01:48:19
Speaker 32

to tree protection. So

01:48:22
Speaker 32

the city admits in this project that it's subject to the t tree protection ordinance.

01:48:28
Speaker 32

So what does that mean?

01:48:30
Speaker 32

Well, it means that

01:48:32
Speaker 32

there was a tree survey that was supposed to be done and submitted to the city arborist.

01:48:37
Speaker 32

We've requested we never got

01:48:39
Speaker 32

any tree survey.

01:48:41
Speaker 32

Then the arborist had ten days in which to inspect

01:48:45
Speaker 32

and then was supposed to make written

01:48:48
Speaker 32

notations

01:48:49
Speaker 32

on any suggest change to the tree survey. We never got any of that.

01:48:55
Speaker 32

Then there was supposed to be a tree

01:48:58
Speaker 32

removal permit obtained,

01:49:01
Speaker 32

and

01:49:03
Speaker 32

this is as close as the city got. And this is from

01:49:08
Speaker 32

the actual

01:49:12
Speaker 32

Open Records Act request.

01:49:20
Speaker 32

Cool.

01:49:21
Speaker 32

This is the

01:49:22
Speaker 32

permit

01:49:24
Speaker 32

of today.

01:49:26
Speaker 32

O6042024.

01:49:32
Speaker 16

Note the statement.

01:49:35
Speaker 32

Permit issued,

01:49:36
Speaker 32

tires

01:49:37
Speaker 32

six months

01:49:38
Speaker 32

after

01:49:41
Speaker 32

issuance. This is

01:49:43
Speaker 32

expired.

01:49:45
Speaker 32

And then

01:49:46
Speaker 32

we learn

01:49:48
Speaker 32

from

01:49:52
Speaker 32

mister Cusack

01:49:55
Speaker 32

that there,

01:49:57
Speaker 32

were justifications

01:49:59
Speaker 32

for

01:50:00
Speaker 32

as is required

01:50:02
Speaker 32

by

01:50:03
Speaker 32

the tree ordinance.

01:50:05
Speaker 32

Classification

01:50:06
Speaker 32

for removal.

01:50:08
Speaker 32

Provide a written explanation as to why specimen trees cannot be contained.

01:50:14
Speaker 32

Every tree,

01:50:15
Speaker 32

the city admits,

01:50:18
Speaker 32

it took 35 specimen trees.

01:50:21
Speaker 32

Where is the justification

01:50:23
Speaker 32

for each one of those? We never got it. The city didn't do it despite mister Cusack saying that it's in the plans.

01:50:32
Speaker 32

I went through that comprehensive plan. One,

01:50:36
Speaker 32

the tree protection plan is supposed to be completely separate document.

01:50:41
Speaker 32

It's not. They tried to include it in the comprehensive

01:50:45
Speaker 32

plan. In response to the open records

01:50:48
Speaker 32

request, the city said

01:50:50
Speaker 32

that the justifications

01:50:53
Speaker 32

are in the plan. I went through every note on that thing. It's not there.

01:50:59
Speaker 32

All there is

01:51:00
Speaker 2

is save Mister O'Donnell, sir,

01:51:03
Speaker 2

your your time has expired. Thank you very much. Thank you.

01:51:16
Speaker 2

Alright.

01:51:17
Speaker 2

Yes.

01:51:18
Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you,

01:51:20
Speaker 2

thank you, mister O'Donnell, for your comments, and thank you everybody for, your patience thus far. We're just gonna take about a ten minute break, just ten minutes, and then we'll resume right at about 09:00 at 09:00. Take about a ten minute break, resume at 09:00, and We'll begin again,

01:51:35
Speaker 2

calling out people to to bring forth public comments. So again, thank you very much for your patience, and thank you for the manner in which you have handled the the meeting tonight. We certainly appreciate it.

02:03:15
Speaker 31

You good? Mhmm.

02:03:21
Speaker 1

Allen.

02:03:46
Speaker 16

Get out. Out and back out.

02:04:05
Speaker 1

Madam Clerk, would you call the next speaker, please?

02:04:11
Speaker 6

Jennifer Felipe.

02:04:13
Speaker 2

We could have everybody come to order. We are ready to resume. Again, thank you very much for your patience this evening. We look forward

02:04:20
Speaker 2

to continuing to matriculate

02:04:22
Speaker 2

through all of the comment cards to ensure that everyone

02:04:25
Speaker 2

is heard,

02:04:26
Speaker 2

fully and completely. So thank you very much for your attention.

02:04:31
Speaker 6

Madam Clerk. Jennifer Felipe.

02:04:45
Speaker 33

Good evening.

02:04:46
Speaker 33

Jennifer Phillippe, 3025

02:04:48
Speaker 33

Manor Creek Court.

02:04:49
Speaker 33

I'm speaking tonight as a concerned citizen, a Phoenix Circle member.

02:04:53
Speaker 33

I remember back in 2017 when my good friend, Gus Hadorn,

02:04:57
Speaker 33

brought to the attention of our Earth Ministries group the threat of Mimosa Hall being purchased by a developer.

02:05:04
Speaker 33

He spoke eloquently about the very old specimen trees found on the property,

02:05:08
Speaker 33

the habitats they created, and their enormous carbon capture abilities.

02:05:13
Speaker 33

He and the rest of us at Earth Ministries cared about the historic home, but more than anything,

02:05:18
Speaker 33

we cared about protecting the natural resources found on the property.

02:05:23
Speaker 33

Then came the devastating day when we awoke to the news that this beautiful land had been clear cut.

02:05:29
Speaker 33

We were beside ourselves. How could this happen?

02:05:33
Speaker 33

Several of the original members of Friends of Mimosa reconvened

02:05:37
Speaker 33

with the most immediate concern in mind, saving the black walnut tree that still stood.

02:05:42
Speaker 33

Now there has been a public statement that the walnut and a couple of other trees will be saved. The attention has now turned to understanding how this has happened and preventing it from happening again.

02:05:53
Speaker 33

The city has indicated that it has followed all approval processes,

02:05:57
Speaker 33

which include communication with this council as well as with the historic society. But we are not seeing representatives

02:06:03
Speaker 33

from either group stand up and own this decision.

02:06:06
Speaker 33

Instead, we are hearing that everyone is surprised.

02:06:09
Speaker 33

So what happened?

02:06:12
Speaker 33

As the COO of my own company, I know that I cannot make assumptions or rely on vague plans.

02:06:17
Speaker 33

I must look for the missing details and ask enough questions to ensure that visions align.

02:06:23
Speaker 33

Is that the step that was missed

02:06:25
Speaker 33

here? Or as some suspect, were members of these groups intentionally misled?

02:06:32
Speaker 33

Neither answer is okay. And until we understand exactly how we got here, we are vulnerable to repeating this mistake again and again.

02:06:40
Speaker 33

So my two final questions for you are,

02:06:43
Speaker 33

please provide the, specifics of the justifications

02:06:48
Speaker 33

and

02:06:49
Speaker 33

how were the residents kept in the dark?

02:06:52
Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you, Jennifer.

02:07:02
Speaker 1

Carrie, you got questions?

02:07:04
Speaker 1

Thank you so much. Madam Clerk.

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Speaker 6

Michelle King.

02:07:18
Speaker 10

Hi. Thank you for having us this evening. I'm Michelle King. And as Sally McKenzie mentioned,

02:07:24
Speaker 10

I was one of the first people along with Gus Haydorn

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Speaker 10

and the many other folks that joined us on the Friends of Mimosa Hall and Gardens board, actually, before the city had even concluded the purchase of this home

02:07:37
Speaker 10

because we did not wanna see the property

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Speaker 10

destroyed.

02:07:42
Speaker 10

I have a a really important message I wanna share with you. It comes from the sixth generation

02:07:48
Speaker 10

owner of Mimosa Hall and Gardens,

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Speaker 10

miss Sally Hansel.

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Speaker 10

Her family owned this home

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Speaker 10

for over a hundred years, and she wants you to know that she is profoundly shocked,

02:08:00
Speaker 10

saddened, and feels betrayed by the current administration

02:08:04
Speaker 10

and city of Roswell.

02:08:05
Speaker 10

In selling Mimosa Hall to the previous administration,

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Speaker 10

she trusted the home and gardens would be well taken care of and used for the greater good. As her father used to say to her family,

02:08:17
Speaker 10

we are just the custodians

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Speaker 10

of this cherished

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Speaker 10

historical monument.

02:08:22
Speaker 10

Now you have assaulted Mimosa Hall's very soul.

02:08:27
Speaker 10

Why have you perpetrated

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Speaker 10

such violence

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Speaker 10

on this property

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Speaker 10

that once offered

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Speaker 10

such serenity

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Speaker 10

for the citizens of Roswell.

02:08:36
Speaker 10

For what?

02:08:38
Speaker 10

So you can make as much money as possible from as many people

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Speaker 10

as possible that you can fit onto these grounds.

02:08:46
Speaker 10

Understandably,

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Speaker 10

infrastructure is needed to accommodate large groups of people,

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Speaker 10

but the craven, thoughtless, obscene manner in which this was executed is unconscionable.

02:08:57
Speaker 10

People of many walks have worked decades to preserve Roswell's history

02:09:03
Speaker 10

and then current mayor and council Parks and Recs,

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Speaker 10

we're not sure who all else is involved,

02:09:10
Speaker 10

have desecrated

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Speaker 10

overnight

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Speaker 10

these trees in this property.

02:09:16
Speaker 10

She wants to give special thanks to Simone DeBois, Kelly Callan, and Gierwood.

02:09:21
Speaker 10

And then from me, my questions are,

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Speaker 10

what's well, no. Who's gonna ask that? I would like to know how many of the members of council

02:09:31
Speaker 10

know the history, the full history

02:09:33
Speaker 10

of Mimosa Hall And Gardens,

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Speaker 10

its property, and its trees. I would like to know how many of the council members know who Neil Reed is

02:09:42
Speaker 10

and know what part

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Speaker 10

he played

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Speaker 10

in this valuable property.

02:09:48
Speaker 10

And lastly, I wanna give you a message from my 16 year old son who's been working on this project with me with since he was seven.

02:09:55
Speaker 10

I made him go with me to look at this property because I knew just from seeing the snapshots that there was no way I could go and look at this property alone. I would need the support of my

02:10:06
Speaker 10

16 year old son to go with me.

02:10:08
Speaker 10

I just expected him to be staring at his phone, not interested at all.

02:10:13
Speaker 10

And the things that he said out loud when he saw

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Speaker 10

the trees were completely gone, where he'd had his Christmas pic picture taken every single year with Santa Claus, where he saw his mother tirelessly work

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Speaker 10

forty plus hours for years to save this property,

02:10:30
Speaker 10

the words that came up out of his mouth are not words I'm allowed to use here this evening.

02:10:36
Speaker 10

The youth of this community

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Speaker 10

care.

02:10:39
Speaker 10

The middle class care. The middle aged people care. What has happened,

02:10:45
Speaker 10

it cannot be undone, and it's just

02:10:48
Speaker 10

my heart is broken.

02:10:50
Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you.

02:11:00
Speaker 1

Madam Clark? Kelly Callan.

02:11:11
Speaker 35

Mayor, council,

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Speaker 35

my name is Kelly Callan, and I am a 14 plus Roswell resident, a founding member, and past board member serving eight years on the board, a Friends of Mimosa Hall and Gardens along with Michelle King and Gus Hadorn and,

02:11:29
Speaker 35

Sally McKenzie said in the beginning with us.

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Speaker 35

I am also a retired executive assistant to Atlanta architect and developer John c Portman junior,

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Speaker 35

who I was working for at the time that,

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Speaker 35

Imosa was purchased.

02:11:46
Speaker 35

And, really, the reason that I'm still standing up here today talking about Mimosa

02:11:51
Speaker 35

was a comment that he had

02:11:54
Speaker 35

shortly after we had become a board

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Speaker 35

and had,

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Speaker 35

discovered

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Speaker 35

through Simone Dubois, who I hope will be speaking soon, and her partner that they had come up with

02:12:06
Speaker 35

a way an innovative way that we could make Mimosa Holland Gardens,

02:12:11
Speaker 35

which needed a new roof. It had its original roof of a 100

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Speaker 35

years at that time. It needed a new roof,

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Speaker 35

that we could make it a solar integrated roof.

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Speaker 35

And in achieving that and running it for a full year once it's occupied after doing so, it would be, at that time and still to this day, I believe, once we get back in it, the oldest net zero home in the country.

02:12:44
Speaker 35

I shared that with mister Portman who at the time,

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Speaker 35

even at his, advanced age of, I think it was 90 at the time,

02:12:54
Speaker 35

he was a man of few words, but he was also somebody who,

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Speaker 35

was not astounded easily.

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Speaker 35

And the day I told him that, he stopped,

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Speaker 35

which he normally did not. I was normally chasing after him. And he said, Kelly, if you guys could do that, that would be remarkable.

02:13:14
Speaker 35

I had never heard him use the word remarkable before, but I thought to myself as he got into the elevator, if John Portman thinks this would be remarkable, then who am I to say

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Speaker 35

it isn't? And so I went back and reported to those of us who are working

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Speaker 35

alongside Simone and her partner to make this happen and said, you know, I think I think this is worth really,

02:13:38
Speaker 35

exploring.

02:13:40
Speaker 35

So I wish somebody had, read, and, Gus, I hope you do, read the actual mission statement, which I believe is still in place today for Friends of Mimosa

02:13:50
Speaker 35

Hall and Gardens. But a big piece of that was sustainability and ensuring that we were preserving and protecting

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Speaker 35

Mimosa and the grounds and,

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Speaker 35

and being a beacon of inspiration.

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Speaker 35

And that was, in a nutshell, what we were hoping to achieve.

02:14:08
Speaker 35

Here we are now with the landscape that is scarred and devoid of ages old specimen trees.

02:14:15
Speaker 35

We I I believe not just those of us who have loved Mimosa

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Speaker 35

for many, many years, but the residents who may not have been aware of this jewel in our backyard,

02:14:22
Speaker 35

residents who may not have been aware of this jewel in our backyard

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Speaker 35

really feel,

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Speaker 35

this has been an irreparably

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Speaker 35

harmed by the removal of these historic cheap trees, which changes the entire feel and the impact of the beauty of Mimosa Hall and its surrounding property.

02:14:41
Speaker 35

Again, Mimosa Hall And Gardens was supposed to be a beacon of inspiration

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Speaker 35

for what was possible with historic properties,

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Speaker 35

not a cautionary tale, which is what I fear we have become.

02:14:53
Speaker 35

We have but one simple request at this point. You can't bring the trees back. That's true. But we could put an immediate stop order and halt any further destruction of the property and grounds in Mimosa,

02:15:08
Speaker 35

and as many people have mentioned,

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Speaker 35

find out what happened with an independent investigation.

02:15:17
Speaker 35

The second point is we'd like to present the final updated construction plans, the ones that,

02:15:24
Speaker 35

were from April, the final construction plans, not the not the high above plans, to the historic preservation commission and give them the opportunity to review the plans and walk the property and give feedback as they should have done in April.

02:15:39
Speaker 35

And finally, to accept the public comment on these plans, the final plans for the property going forward.

02:15:46
Speaker 35

There's been a lot of talk. I think a couple of people have mentioned tonight that,

02:15:52
Speaker 35

for whatever reason, not everybody agrees that it was a clear cut.

02:15:56
Speaker 35

Again, I just wanna put up the, is there some way to turn

02:16:01
Speaker 2

Alright.

02:16:02
Speaker 2

I apologize your time. Let's make sure we get this up first and then

02:16:06
Speaker 2

we'll we'll presume your time. Thank you. Thank you.

02:16:10
Speaker 35

This is what it looked like before. I mean, if you look around it, you you can't hardly see anything but green and dense woods.

02:16:20
Speaker 35

Haven't had a chance to get by.

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Speaker 35

This is what it looks like today. So Miss Callan.

02:16:28
Speaker 35

We leave it to the Roswell citizens to decide if whether or not that's a clear cut. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

02:16:42
Speaker 1

Thank you, miss Kelly.

02:16:44
Speaker 1

Madam Clerk?

02:16:45
Speaker 6

Susan Tizer.

02:16:54
Speaker 36

I'm Susan Tyser,

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Speaker 36

and, I live in Downtown Roswell.

02:17:00
Speaker 36

Everybody has basically said a lot of what I wanna say. So I'm only going to just comment

02:17:07
Speaker 36

that,

02:17:08
Speaker 36

mayor and council, you're you've been a little tone deaf on this one.

02:17:14
Speaker 36

And what I mean by that is

02:17:16
Speaker 36

you are not listening.

02:17:18
Speaker 36

You are not hearing

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Speaker 36

what your constituents want.

02:17:22
Speaker 36

You are simply telling them what you're going to do no matter what.

02:17:27
Speaker 36

This is very reminiscent

02:17:29
Speaker 36

of the closing Canton Street issue,

02:17:31
Speaker 36

and it, reminds me of the fire ready aim

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Speaker 36

type of philosophy.

02:17:37
Speaker 36

That's the wrong kind of a philosophy

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Speaker 36

for Roswell.

02:17:41
Speaker 36

We need to know upfront what is happening

02:17:44
Speaker 36

so that this kind of a thing never happens again. Thank you. Thank you, Susan.

02:17:56
Speaker 1

Thank you, Susan. Madam Clark?

02:17:59
Speaker 6

Denise

02:18:09
Speaker 12

Roche.

02:18:10
Speaker 12

Denise Rao, 170 Charleston Circle, Roswell, Georgia.

02:18:15
Speaker 12

Well, the great

02:18:16
Speaker 12

late

02:18:17
Speaker 12

queen Elizabeth the second once said

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Speaker 12

recollections may vary.

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Speaker 12

And that is certainly true tonight

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Speaker 12

because my recollections

02:18:27
Speaker 12

of Mimosa Hall

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Speaker 12

are pretty much opposite of almost everything that I heard tonight.

02:18:33
Speaker 12

I wanna go back to 02/2017.

02:18:37
Speaker 12

The city did quite an extensive outreach

02:18:41
Speaker 12

to the residents

02:18:42
Speaker 12

and asked them

02:18:44
Speaker 12

different questions about Mimosa Hall. One of them being, how do you wanna finance it? And it was very clear overwhelmingly

02:18:52
Speaker 12

that the citizens of Roswell, the taxpayers of Roswell,

02:18:55
Speaker 12

wanted Mimosa Hall to be self sustaining.

02:18:59
Speaker 12

And, you know, we're a a pretty smart group, so we actually

02:19:03
Speaker 12

gave

02:19:04
Speaker 12

the elected officials

02:19:06
Speaker 12

a path to achieve that.

02:19:08
Speaker 12

Basically, we said

02:19:10
Speaker 12

we wanna do that by three

02:19:12
Speaker 12

a three

02:19:14
Speaker 12

pillared approach,

02:19:15
Speaker 12

historic preservation

02:19:17
Speaker 12

combined with

02:19:19
Speaker 12

traditional visitors,

02:19:21
Speaker 12

combined with economic development,

02:19:24
Speaker 12

specifically an event center.

02:19:26
Speaker 12

So I totally disagree with that very loud man who is here,

02:19:32
Speaker 12

who

02:19:33
Speaker 12

who's making me come back with very bad memories.

02:19:37
Speaker 12

From the very beginning,

02:19:39
Speaker 12

Mimosa Hall was scheduled.

02:19:41
Speaker 12

The citizens of Roswell wanted it to be an event center.

02:19:47
Speaker 12

Now a lot of people drop in and out of conversations as these things happen.

02:19:51
Speaker 12

This has been going on for a really long time. I actually went back and listened to some discussions from 2020

02:19:58
Speaker 12

that involved Melissa Hall.

02:20:00
Speaker 12

Again,

02:20:01
Speaker 12

some really bad times back in 02/2020.

02:20:05
Speaker 12

But then again but then

02:20:07
Speaker 12

the conversation kept on going along. A lot of people don't realize that.

02:20:12
Speaker 12

They drop in, they drop out.

02:20:14
Speaker 12

So, again, I tuned in a year ago. I know when you started talking about Founders Park,

02:20:22
Speaker 12

I specifically

02:20:23
Speaker 12

tuned into the mayor and council meeting of September 23.

02:20:27
Speaker 12

And then I also tuned into the HPC meeting,

02:20:32
Speaker 12

October 9,

02:20:33
Speaker 12

where the city was notifying the HPC of the changes that would take place,

02:20:39
Speaker 12

in phase one,

02:20:42
Speaker 12

using the ARPA funds,

02:20:44
Speaker 12

which, by the way,

02:20:45
Speaker 12

brilliant move to use ARPA funds to get this done.

02:20:51
Speaker 12

So I guess what I would say is it was a very good discussion,

02:20:55
Speaker 12

great presentation.

02:20:57
Speaker 12

I disagree with mister Malone.

02:21:00
Speaker 12

Maybe this is a case of,

02:21:02
Speaker 12

men are from Mars, women are from Venus.

02:21:06
Speaker 12

I took away as a regular citizen

02:21:08
Speaker 12

incredible amounts of information

02:21:11
Speaker 12

provided by the HPC, actually.

02:21:13
Speaker 12

New information. I didn't know that the walkway was actually in the shape of a champagne

02:21:18
Speaker 12

glass. But what's more, one of the commissioners made the point

02:21:22
Speaker 12

of asking where the facilities were gonna be. And it was clear, the the

02:21:28
Speaker 12

new structures were gonna be in a place that had been cleared

02:21:32
Speaker 12

eighty years

02:21:33
Speaker 12

ago.

02:21:35
Speaker 12

So

02:21:36
Speaker 12

as I listened to the rest of the meeting,

02:21:39
Speaker 12

I was really struck by the fact that the city

02:21:42
Speaker 12

was really trying to be faithful

02:21:45
Speaker 12

to that 2017

02:21:47
Speaker 12

directive

02:21:49
Speaker 12

of the citizens of Roswell

02:21:51
Speaker 12

that Mimosa Hall should be self sustaining.

02:21:56
Speaker 12

And the way we would do that is by combining a plan

02:22:00
Speaker 12

that

02:22:00
Speaker 12

had historic preservation

02:22:03
Speaker 12

with traditional

02:22:04
Speaker 12

visitors'

02:22:05
Speaker 12

tourism

02:22:07
Speaker 12

plus economic

02:22:08
Speaker 12

development that involved an event center.

02:22:12
Speaker 12

And it seems to me that is exactly

02:22:14
Speaker 12

what this plan is doing.

02:22:17
Speaker 12

I went down there. I was, with a fellow citizen. He was,

02:22:22
Speaker 12

an architect. He said his specialty

02:22:24
Speaker 12

was,

02:22:26
Speaker 12

historic preservation.

02:22:27
Speaker 12

And he made the point that

02:22:30
Speaker 12

when this was done, it was gonna be beautiful.

02:22:33
Speaker 12

And not and I agree.

02:22:35
Speaker 12

And quite frankly, we talked. And the thing that we talked about is that

02:22:40
Speaker 12

these historic gems

02:22:42
Speaker 12

are living, breathing

02:22:45
Speaker 12

entities,

02:22:46
Speaker 12

and that's the way that we should treat them. They should go on living.

02:22:50
Speaker 12

We can't lock them up and ask for them never to change.

02:22:55
Speaker 12

So,

02:22:56
Speaker 12

he and I agreed and we parted ways, and I kinda wish I had got his name because I think he would be a great,

02:23:01
Speaker 12

addition to the HBC.

02:23:04
Speaker 12

But all in all,

02:23:05
Speaker 12

my perspective just as an ordinary citizen is just very different.

02:23:10
Speaker 12

I was able to follow the public

02:23:12
Speaker 12

conversation very well. Thank you.

02:23:15
Speaker 1

Thank you, Denise.

02:23:16
Speaker 1

Thank you very much for your comments.

02:23:21
Speaker 1

Madam Clerk.

02:23:23
Speaker 6

Gus Haydorn.

02:23:32
Speaker 31

Mayor Wilson,

02:23:34
Speaker 31

council members of the council.

02:23:37
Speaker 31

I've lived in Pine Valley for forty years.

02:23:42
Speaker 31

We need a government that practices democracy

02:23:46
Speaker 31

and listens

02:23:47
Speaker 31

to those

02:23:49
Speaker 31

that it serves.

02:23:51
Speaker 31

In Roswell,

02:23:52
Speaker 31

hubris is in play

02:23:55
Speaker 31

and decisions are made

02:23:57
Speaker 31

from the top.

02:24:01
Speaker 31

Had the net been cast wider, if the voices of citizens had been heard, the disaster

02:24:08
Speaker 31

at Mimosa

02:24:09
Speaker 31

would never have occurred.

02:24:12
Speaker 31

If those elected

02:24:13
Speaker 31

had not been so disconnected

02:24:16
Speaker 31

from the natural world,

02:24:19
Speaker 31

this would never have happened.

02:24:23
Speaker 31

We're here tonight to make clear common resources

02:24:26
Speaker 31

are not for sale.

02:24:28
Speaker 31

They belong to the future.

02:24:31
Speaker 31

We cannot monetize

02:24:33
Speaker 31

trees that have witnessed

02:24:35
Speaker 31

our behavior for more than a hundred years.

02:24:40
Speaker 31

At Mimosa,

02:24:41
Speaker 31

the trees were worth more than the historic homes.

02:24:45
Speaker 31

They gave context and beauty and distinction

02:24:48
Speaker 31

and utility,

02:24:51
Speaker 31

not just to the historic

02:24:54
Speaker 31

district, but to Roswell,

02:24:56
Speaker 31

confirming our history,

02:24:58
Speaker 31

our identity

02:25:00
Speaker 31

as a historic city

02:25:02
Speaker 31

in the trees

02:25:04
Speaker 31

on the Chattahoochee,

02:25:05
Speaker 31

an identity

02:25:07
Speaker 31

that separates us

02:25:09
Speaker 31

or did separate us from the surrounding sprawl.

02:25:14
Speaker 31

But your best idea was a parking lot in a prominent place

02:25:19
Speaker 31

in the middle of our most historic site

02:25:22
Speaker 31

requiring

02:25:24
Speaker 31

or access

02:25:25
Speaker 31

destruction

02:25:27
Speaker 31

of our finest

02:25:28
Speaker 31

urban forest.

02:25:32
Speaker 31

For rendering place,

02:25:34
Speaker 31

identity and opportunity

02:25:36
Speaker 31

to ensure that bribes from rich families can come and go with ease.

02:25:43
Speaker 31

Eight years ago, when the for sale sign went up at Mimosa,

02:25:47
Speaker 31

it was a small group of citizens who recognized the value

02:25:51
Speaker 31

and the opportunity

02:25:53
Speaker 31

and rallied the mayor and council

02:25:55
Speaker 31

to to secure this opportunity for all of us.

02:25:59
Speaker 31

A new board of unpaid citizens with a focus

02:26:03
Speaker 31

on preservation

02:26:04
Speaker 31

and sustainability

02:26:06
Speaker 31

moved quickly

02:26:08
Speaker 31

to build new possibilities.

02:26:10
Speaker 31

An integrated

02:26:11
Speaker 31

solar roof

02:26:13
Speaker 31

designed and financed

02:26:15
Speaker 31

by the philanthropy of citizens

02:26:17
Speaker 31

gave expression to a new direction.

02:26:21
Speaker 31

We worked cooperatively with the city,

02:26:24
Speaker 31

bring the past into the future

02:26:27
Speaker 31

for all citizens

02:26:29
Speaker 31

by building on the foundation of architecture

02:26:32
Speaker 31

and the surrounding natural beauty.

02:26:34
Speaker 31

We created a meeting place,

02:26:37
Speaker 31

and we're working on a model for sustainable living, a place where people could learn together

02:26:43
Speaker 31

or work together building community and finding new direction

02:26:47
Speaker 31

for changing times.

02:26:49
Speaker 31

A place for repose

02:26:52
Speaker 31

in the heart of a busy city where people could step away from an exhausting urban reality

02:26:58
Speaker 31

to unwind,

02:27:00
Speaker 31

relax, and connect with nature

02:27:02
Speaker 31

and with each other.

02:27:04
Speaker 31

Artists began working on the grounds.

02:27:06
Speaker 31

Concerts and socials were happening in the house.

02:27:10
Speaker 31

We had cultivated corporate

02:27:12
Speaker 31

sponsorship and community partnerships with UGA

02:27:16
Speaker 31

and the Carter Center.

02:27:18
Speaker 31

The city did good work updating the house and the immediate grounds,

02:27:24
Speaker 31

But a few

02:27:25
Speaker 31

with the city had other ideas

02:27:28
Speaker 31

and they had the power.

02:27:30
Speaker 31

Their initial decision to connect

02:27:32
Speaker 31

the historic district

02:27:34
Speaker 31

was well received,

02:27:36
Speaker 31

but soon it was clear that they had no interest in what the board had been working on for years.

02:27:43
Speaker 31

Federal money became available

02:27:46
Speaker 31

and there was a rush to spend it.

02:27:48
Speaker 31

The big dogs had the power and they wanted to do things the way that it had always been done.

02:27:54
Speaker 31

Scrape the earth, start over, think maintenance,

02:27:57
Speaker 31

build a parking lot.

02:28:00
Speaker 31

Apparently,

02:28:01
Speaker 31

no thought was given to the fact that they would be feeding our greatest problem, traffic,

02:28:07
Speaker 31

bringing cars into our most pedestrian

02:28:10
Speaker 31

district,

02:28:11
Speaker 31

which was

02:28:13
Speaker 31

while there were much better options available.

02:28:16
Speaker 31

But perhaps the most troubling of all, it seems no one in a position of authority raised questions

02:28:24
Speaker 31

and no one stood up to the decision makers.

02:28:28
Speaker 31

Nationwide,

02:28:29
Speaker 31

democracy

02:28:30
Speaker 31

is under attack.

02:28:31
Speaker 31

If it is to survive,

02:28:34
Speaker 31

we must make it so here.

02:28:36
Speaker 31

Our natural world that our lives depend on

02:28:40
Speaker 31

is slipping away,

02:28:41
Speaker 31

and we somehow

02:28:43
Speaker 31

accept that. Mister Haydorn. The state stripped 400,

02:28:47
Speaker 31

and we went along. Sir? The city covered our playing field, and we started to fire. And

02:28:53
Speaker 31

we remain spectators.

02:28:55
Speaker 31

Sir? The loss of Sir, respect for me. Your time has expired.

02:28:59
Speaker 31

Was a

02:29:29
Speaker 2

Thank you for your comments, sir. Just as a reminder, we wanna make sure that we stay within the bounds of time simply because it's fair and equitable for everybody

02:29:38
Speaker 2

to have have the same amount of time to speak and certainly appreciate your comments and everybody's comments tonight. Thank you.

02:29:45
Speaker 1

Thank you, Gus. Madam Clark.

02:29:47
Speaker 6

Liz Jackson.

02:29:57
Speaker 34

Good evening. I'm

02:29:59
Speaker 34

Liz Jackson.

02:30:00
Speaker 34

I live on Wordsworth Drive and have lived there since 1979.

02:30:07
Speaker 34

My husband and I have been fortunate, as have many in this room, that we have raised our family

02:30:14
Speaker 34

in this great historic town,

02:30:17
Speaker 34

and many of the people in this room have helped

02:30:21
Speaker 34

to shape the lives of our children.

02:30:25
Speaker 34

Our children now live away from Roswell,

02:30:29
Speaker 34

but they stay in touch and they read,

02:30:35
Speaker 34

newspapers,

02:30:37
Speaker 34

social media

02:30:38
Speaker 34

from all around.

02:30:41
Speaker 34

I received

02:30:42
Speaker 34

a text

02:30:44
Speaker 34

from our youngest son

02:30:46
Speaker 34

who happens to be in his forties. I know you can't believe that, but, yes, it is true. He is in his forties,

02:30:53
Speaker 34

and I would like to share with you

02:30:56
Speaker 34

the impact

02:30:58
Speaker 34

that decisions

02:31:00
Speaker 34

that are being made here

02:31:02
Speaker 34

still have

02:31:04
Speaker 34

on

02:31:05
Speaker 34

Roswell's children.

02:31:09
Speaker 34

The shameful

02:31:10
Speaker 34

development

02:31:11
Speaker 34

and sprawl has continued

02:31:14
Speaker 34

almost unabated

02:31:16
Speaker 34

from a mysterious

02:31:18
Speaker 34

fire burning a historic church,

02:31:20
Speaker 34

which conveniently

02:31:22
Speaker 34

made way for a bank headquarters,

02:31:25
Speaker 34

through the fiasco

02:31:26
Speaker 34

at the Masonic Hall,

02:31:29
Speaker 34

and now to this.

02:31:31
Speaker 34

The first election I ever voted in included the mayoral

02:31:36
Speaker 34

election

02:31:37
Speaker 34

of the honorable

02:31:38
Speaker 34

mayor Wood

02:31:39
Speaker 34

on his campaign

02:31:41
Speaker 34

of stop the sprawl.

02:31:44
Speaker 34

But, unfortunately,

02:31:46
Speaker 34

no man has been able to stop the outright destruction

02:31:51
Speaker 34

and heartbreaking

02:31:52
Speaker 34

devastation

02:31:54
Speaker 34

of the historic places

02:31:56
Speaker 34

and those cherished wild spaces

02:31:59
Speaker 34

where I spent countless

02:32:01
Speaker 34

hours, days, weeks, and months

02:32:04
Speaker 34

as a young boy.

02:32:06
Speaker 34

Accordingly,

02:32:08
Speaker 34

I took my talents,

02:32:10
Speaker 34

including

02:32:11
Speaker 34

hundreds of hours

02:32:13
Speaker 34

volunteering

02:32:14
Speaker 34

as a docent

02:32:15
Speaker 34

and interpretive

02:32:17
Speaker 34

guide of historic sites

02:32:20
Speaker 34

elsewhere,

02:32:21
Speaker 34

and I now enjoy

02:32:23
Speaker 34

wild spaces that are protected

02:32:26
Speaker 34

for future generations.

02:32:29
Speaker 34

I now visit

02:32:31
Speaker 34

historic sites

02:32:33
Speaker 34

properly

02:32:34
Speaker 34

enshrined

02:32:35
Speaker 34

in perpetuity.

02:32:38
Speaker 34

History is full of lessons

02:32:41
Speaker 34

if only

02:32:43
Speaker 34

we care

02:32:44
Speaker 34

to listen.

02:32:46
Speaker 34

I am your children,

02:32:48
Speaker 34

Roswell,

02:32:50
Speaker 34

and I decided

02:32:52
Speaker 34

somewhere else is better

02:32:55
Speaker 34

because of what I saw happening

02:32:58
Speaker 34

with my own eyes.

02:33:00
Speaker 34

It's an absolute shame

02:33:02
Speaker 34

I needed to move over 500 miles

02:33:05
Speaker 34

away from the only home I had known

02:33:09
Speaker 34

to find the things I loved as a boy in my hometown.

02:33:15
Speaker 34

Actions come with consequences.

02:33:18
Speaker 34

And, Roswell,

02:33:20
Speaker 34

your actions have once more

02:33:23
Speaker 34

broken my heart.

02:33:25
Speaker 34

And for what?

02:33:27
Speaker 34

It would seem to be for merely

02:33:30
Speaker 34

a few more pieces

02:33:32
Speaker 34

of silver.

02:33:34
Speaker 34

Thank you.

02:33:46
Speaker 1

Thank you, Liz. Madam clerk?

02:33:49
Speaker 6

Larissa Perera.

02:34:01
Speaker 37

Good evening, mayor, council, and my fellow Roswell citizens.

02:34:06
Speaker 37

I'm Marissa Perera. I live off Gramps Bridge Road for the last, twenty eight and a half years.

02:34:12
Speaker 37

It stands to reason that we in Roswell are in the news yet again

02:34:17
Speaker 37

with the citizens protesting.

02:34:21
Speaker 37

Let me quote the Georgia Bill of Rights, article one, section two,

02:34:27
Speaker 37

paragraph one.

02:34:29
Speaker 37

Origin and foundation of government.

02:34:32
Speaker 37

I quote,

02:34:34
Speaker 37

all government of right originates

02:34:36
Speaker 37

with the people,

02:34:38
Speaker 37

is founded upon their will

02:34:41
Speaker 37

only and is instituted

02:34:42
Speaker 37

solely for the good of the whole.

02:34:46
Speaker 37

Public officers

02:34:47
Speaker 37

are the trustees and servants of the people

02:34:51
Speaker 37

and are at all times amenable to them, unquote.

02:34:56
Speaker 37

I've been beating the drum for years about the lack of process

02:35:00
Speaker 37

or the refusal to follow even limited process and codes

02:35:04
Speaker 37

set in our Roswell ordinances.

02:35:08
Speaker 37

Our mayor and council have turned a blind eye and deaf ear to this reality

02:35:14
Speaker 37

and proceeded steadfastly

02:35:17
Speaker 37

within this status quo

02:35:19
Speaker 37

because

02:35:20
Speaker 37

following a process would mean transparency,

02:35:24
Speaker 37

thorough review,

02:35:26
Speaker 37

and accountability

02:35:27
Speaker 37

in sign offs and implementation.

02:35:30
Speaker 37

Of course, this would be in stark contradiction

02:35:35
Speaker 37

to the current prevailing goal of bragging rights

02:35:38
Speaker 37

for getting getting

02:35:40
Speaker 37

items checked off the list

02:35:42
Speaker 37

in record time

02:35:44
Speaker 37

with zero citizen input.

02:35:48
Speaker 37

Imagine the concept of projects

02:35:51
Speaker 37

actually

02:35:52
Speaker 37

being done right.

02:35:54
Speaker 37

Mayor and council,

02:35:56
Speaker 37

no one expects you to know everything about everything.

02:36:01
Speaker 37

Roswell is blessed with talented citizens

02:36:04
Speaker 37

who have superior knowledge

02:36:06
Speaker 37

on various topics and could easily offer counsel as necessary

02:36:11
Speaker 37

to deliver optimum results for Roswell.

02:36:15
Speaker 37

Unfortunately,

02:36:17
Speaker 37

by excluding the voice of the people,

02:36:20
Speaker 37

not only are you derelict in your duty to serve the citizens,

02:36:25
Speaker 37

you've set yourselves as the authority

02:36:28
Speaker 37

on every topic.

02:36:31
Speaker 37

We, the citizens, are tired of being ostracized

02:36:35
Speaker 37

from discussion

02:36:36
Speaker 37

discussions or plans

02:36:38
Speaker 37

for our city,

02:36:40
Speaker 37

especially

02:36:41
Speaker 37

when it's our money you spend to deliver

02:36:45
Speaker 37

substandard

02:36:46
Speaker 37

results.

02:36:47
Speaker 37

We're tired of the lack of process,

02:36:50
Speaker 37

transparency,

02:36:51
Speaker 37

and accountability.

02:36:53
Speaker 37

We're tired of you doing whatever you please

02:36:56
Speaker 37

and then offering

02:36:58
Speaker 37

either the nonchalant

02:37:00
Speaker 37

mea culpa

02:37:03
Speaker 37

or a shrug of your collective shoulders,

02:37:06
Speaker 37

or better yet, a convoluted

02:37:08
Speaker 37

rearrangement

02:37:09
Speaker 37

of the facts

02:37:10
Speaker 37

to justify your wrong actions.

02:37:13
Speaker 37

We deserve better.

02:37:16
Speaker 37

My fellow citizens,

02:37:17
Speaker 37

the gateway project

02:37:19
Speaker 37

was also approved

02:37:21
Speaker 37

based on pretty pictures.

02:37:24
Speaker 37

Just wait till you see the clear cutting there.

02:37:29
Speaker 37

In this Mimosa case, while mayor

02:37:31
Speaker 37

and one councilwoman

02:37:33
Speaker 37

appear to be the primary decision makers,

02:37:37
Speaker 37

the rest of council fell down on your duty when you signed off on the project

02:37:43
Speaker 37

without supposedly knowing what you were signing off on.

02:37:48
Speaker 37

It would behoove you to remember

02:37:51
Speaker 37

that you are public servants

02:37:53
Speaker 37

and stop acting

02:37:55
Speaker 37

like the worst definition

02:37:57
Speaker 37

of politicians.

02:37:59
Speaker 37

Thank you.

02:38:11
Speaker 1

Thank thank you for your comments, Marissa.

02:38:14
Speaker 1

Madam clerk.

02:38:16
Speaker 27

Dawn Horton.

02:38:25
Speaker 2

You need the overhead, we'll get that set up for you, sir.

02:38:31
Speaker 2

Can someone assist

02:38:34
Speaker 2

mister Horton there?

02:38:43
Speaker 2

It's just a moment. We'll get that set up. There we go. I think we will

02:38:48
Speaker 2

come up in just a second.

02:38:52
Speaker 38

My name is Don Horton.

02:38:54
Speaker 38

Good evening, mayor, council.

02:38:56
Speaker 38

I live at 9885

02:38:58
Speaker 38

Robinwood Lane in Roswell.

02:39:00
Speaker 38

I've sat in those chairs,

02:39:02
Speaker 38

a number of years ago.

02:39:04
Speaker 38

In fact,

02:39:06
Speaker 38

when the

02:39:08
Speaker 38

Mimosa property came up for sale,

02:39:10
Speaker 38

and I learned about it through

02:39:12
Speaker 38

individuals with the Friends of Mimosa,

02:39:16
Speaker 38

I went to Sally

02:39:18
Speaker 38

Hansel, miss Sally Hansel,

02:39:20
Speaker 38

to talk to her about the possibility of the city acquiring the property.

02:39:26
Speaker 38

I didn't talk to anybody else on on council or the mayor at the time.

02:39:31
Speaker 38

The property had already gone under contract at that time,

02:39:35
Speaker 38

but I asked her before she actually made a final commitment

02:39:39
Speaker 38

to please let me have a chance to talk to mayor and council

02:39:43
Speaker 38

to see if I could convince people

02:39:45
Speaker 38

to, change their mind about

02:39:48
Speaker 38

about the property because originally they said they didn't want to have another

02:39:52
Speaker 38

historic property on the

02:39:55
Speaker 38

as part of their real estate.

02:39:58
Speaker 38

But with that,

02:39:59
Speaker 38

I not only was talking with members of council, but I also met with the executive director of the Roswell I'm sorry, of the Georgia Trust for Historical Preservation.

02:40:09
Speaker 38

And I met with, members of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources, their historic preservation area.

02:40:16
Speaker 38

And, and they told me a lot of things that that, you've already heard some of those things tonight. But, one of the things that they said that you absolutely must require of anybody that wants to develop the property

02:40:27
Speaker 38

is to have a,

02:40:29
Speaker 38

an archeological

02:40:31
Speaker 38

an archeological

02:40:32
Speaker 38

survey

02:40:33
Speaker 38

of the property

02:40:34
Speaker 38

as well as, ground penetrating radar

02:40:37
Speaker 38

to see what might be under the property. There was some concern

02:40:41
Speaker 38

that,

02:40:41
Speaker 38

there might be

02:40:43
Speaker 38

slave graves,

02:40:44
Speaker 38

that was,

02:40:45
Speaker 38

one of the things that they did during that period of time.

02:40:49
Speaker 38

And because of the fact that it was,

02:40:52
Speaker 38

originally

02:40:53
Speaker 38

Native American land,

02:40:55
Speaker 38

the Cherokee Indians

02:40:58
Speaker 38

occupied this land for a long time before,

02:41:02
Speaker 38

people from,

02:41:04
Speaker 38

the South Of Georgia came here to, develop,

02:41:07
Speaker 38

Roswell.

02:41:09
Speaker 38

So in any way any case,

02:41:13
Speaker 38

the

02:41:14
Speaker 38

recommendations

02:41:15
Speaker 38

that the two entities that I met with, suggested,

02:41:20
Speaker 38

actually did take place. I think,

02:41:23
Speaker 38

Dana Dana Bush

02:41:26
Speaker 38

This is Dana Bush was one of the individuals that's on city,

02:41:32
Speaker 38

payroll

02:41:32
Speaker 38

who,

02:41:34
Speaker 38

the the archaeological survey was written for her,

02:41:39
Speaker 38

or her request in any case.

02:41:42
Speaker 38

This

02:41:43
Speaker 38

archaeological survey,

02:41:45
Speaker 38

one of the conclusions was that when one looks at the nineteenth century finds, a clear concentration of artifacts is evident behind Mimosa Hall around the gravel circle and in the immediate

02:41:56
Speaker 38

north and west of the circle. If this artifact density is consistent across the portion of the property, then one can surmise that thousands of artifacts still lie subsurface

02:42:06
Speaker 38

in the area around Mimosa Hall. And that would include now this was just a subsurface,

02:42:11
Speaker 38

just a very light surface,

02:42:14
Speaker 38

superficial,

02:42:15
Speaker 38

analysis.

02:42:16
Speaker 38

They didn't go down deep enough to find any of the Native American artifacts.

02:42:22
Speaker 38

So one of the questions I have for counsel is

02:42:26
Speaker 38

before the decision was made

02:42:29
Speaker 38

to

02:42:29
Speaker 38

clear cut the property

02:42:31
Speaker 38

and

02:42:32
Speaker 38

and,

02:42:34
Speaker 38

go forward with this plan,

02:42:36
Speaker 38

Was anything done to review this

02:42:40
Speaker 38

archaeological survey that's in your possession?

02:42:43
Speaker 38

And if not, why not?

02:42:46
Speaker 38

And then on top of that,

02:42:48
Speaker 38

why wasn't a more in-depth survey done so you could find not only the, Civil War artifacts, but also the artifacts,

02:42:56
Speaker 38

for,

02:42:58
Speaker 38

Native Americans?

02:42:59
Speaker 38

In any case,

02:43:01
Speaker 38

I'm not certain where the recommendation for clear cutting, property was initiated.

02:43:06
Speaker 38

If it was by a consultant and certainly if it was by the same consultant that, recommended tearing down the old Methodist church, then you should fire them immediately.

02:43:16
Speaker 38

They absolutely have no they have total

02:43:19
Speaker 38

have total disregard for the significant history of the city of Roswell. There is no excuse for what has been done to the grounds of Mimosa Hall. The level of destruction is beyond anything I could ever have imagined.

02:43:30
Speaker 38

Some of those specimen trees were over a 100 years old and will not in our lifetimes

02:43:34
Speaker 38

get to where they are today or where they were.

02:43:38
Speaker 38

Where careful surgical removal of a few trees should have been done, you allowed chainsaws and bulldozers to clear cut a beautiful and historic property.

02:43:47
Speaker 38

What you don't realize is that Roswell is the envy of the cities around us. Most of the cities around us had to create something out of nothing. Mister Horton? We had it all here. All of the assets, our rich history was right here. Mister Hofer. How could you know the effect this would have on our Time is inspired. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much.

02:44:15
Speaker 1

Thank thank you, Don. Cara, I can't see the questions up. Are they up on the last two speakers?

02:44:26
Speaker 1

We're good to go. Thank you, ma'am.

02:44:28
Speaker 1

Madam Clerk.

02:44:29
Speaker 6

Simone DeBois.

02:44:40
Speaker 1

Yes, ma'am.

02:44:43
Speaker 2

Alright. We'll get it,

02:44:45
Speaker 2

transferred over to overhead.

02:44:47
Speaker 2

Just a moment.

02:45:17
Speaker 25

Good evening.

02:45:19
Speaker 25

My name is Simone Dubois.

02:45:21
Speaker 25

I'm a licensed architect,

02:45:23
Speaker 25

lead certified,

02:45:24
Speaker 25

and, I was the former,

02:45:26
Speaker 25

vice chair for the HBC.

02:45:31
Speaker 25

I have several questions,

02:45:33
Speaker 25

and concerns,

02:45:35
Speaker 25

about,

02:45:36
Speaker 25

Mimosa Hall.

02:45:39
Speaker 27

The first

02:45:42
Speaker 25

is looking at,

02:45:43
Speaker 25

I'd like to ask, Steve Malone,

02:45:46
Speaker 25

because he talked about,

02:45:49
Speaker 25

the,

02:45:50
Speaker 25

HPC standards.

02:45:55
Speaker 25

As a licensed professional,

02:45:57
Speaker 25

I'm quite concerned because,

02:45:59
Speaker 25

first of all, I'd like to know how

02:46:03
Speaker 25

you satisfied the secretary

02:46:05
Speaker 25

of the interior standards for the treatment of historic properties.

02:46:09
Speaker 25

This is a requirement of the UDC, and it is found,

02:46:16
Speaker 25

age 113

02:46:18
Speaker 25

of the UDC.

02:46:19
Speaker 25

The first one is a property shall be used as it was historically,

02:46:25
Speaker 25

or be given

02:46:27
Speaker 25

a new use that requires minimal change to its distinctive materials,

02:46:31
Speaker 25

features,

02:46:32
Speaker 25

spaces,

02:46:34
Speaker 25

and spatial relationships.

02:46:35
Speaker 25

Now we've heard several people say here

02:46:38
Speaker 25

that,

02:46:39
Speaker 25

it is the belief of many, and not only many of the citizens, but many professionals

02:46:45
Speaker 25

that the grounds were as important

02:46:48
Speaker 25

as

02:46:49
Speaker 25

the building.

02:46:50
Speaker 25

Okay? The next question is, how did you satisfy

02:46:54
Speaker 25

number three?

02:46:55
Speaker 25

Each property

02:46:57
Speaker 25

shall be recognized

02:46:59
Speaker 25

as a physical record of time,

02:47:01
Speaker 25

place, and use.

02:47:04
Speaker 25

How could you have satisfied that when you have removed

02:47:08
Speaker 25

so much of the essence of Mimosa Hall?

02:47:11
Speaker 25

Number four, I'd like to know how you satisfied.

02:47:15
Speaker 25

Changes to a property that have acquired

02:47:17
Speaker 25

historic significance

02:47:19
Speaker 25

in their own right

02:47:21
Speaker 25

shall be retained

02:47:23
Speaker 25

and preserved.

02:47:25
Speaker 25

Not saying that either.

02:47:27
Speaker 25

And this is one that many people are very concerned about, as am I.

02:47:31
Speaker 25

Not only did I get my architectural degree from Georgia Tech, but I also studied archeology.

02:47:37
Speaker 25

Now the reason that I did that is because I felt it was imperative

02:47:42
Speaker 25

to understand

02:47:44
Speaker 25

and respect

02:47:45
Speaker 25

where we have come from

02:47:48
Speaker 25

to help us make better decisions

02:47:50
Speaker 25

on where we want to go.

02:47:52
Speaker 25

Not only do I think that, but also the secretary of the interior thinks that too.

02:47:57
Speaker 25

So they state in number eight, and I'd like to know how you did this and this was mentioned by the previous speaker, Don.

02:48:04
Speaker 25

Archaeological

02:48:05
Speaker 25

resources shall be protected

02:48:07
Speaker 25

and preserved in place.

02:48:09
Speaker 25

If such resources

02:48:11
Speaker 25

must be disturbed,

02:48:13
Speaker 25

mitigation

02:48:14
Speaker 25

measures shall be undertaken.

02:48:17
Speaker 25

I don't see any evidence that that was done.

02:48:21
Speaker 17

Okay?

02:48:25
Speaker 25

Now I'd like to go

02:48:37
Speaker 25

I'd like to also know how

02:48:39
Speaker 25

you met requirements

02:48:41
Speaker 25

that are outlined in section thirteen point seven point ten, and this is b three.

02:48:47
Speaker 25

The horse the Historic Preservation Commission will approve with or without conditions the application and issue a

02:48:52
Speaker 25

on

02:49:04
Speaker 25

aesthetic,

02:49:05
Speaker 25

historical on aesthetic,

02:49:07
Speaker 25

historical, or architectural

02:49:09
Speaker 25

significance

02:49:10
Speaker 25

and value of the historic property.

02:49:13
Speaker 25

Okay?

02:49:14
Speaker 25

I I couldn't find that.

02:49:18
Speaker 25

Now some of the other things,

02:49:20
Speaker 25

that,

02:49:21
Speaker 25

I'm concerned about is when I served on HPC,

02:49:25
Speaker 25

we actually visited the sites.

02:49:29
Speaker 25

I don't see any

02:49:31
Speaker 25

record

02:49:32
Speaker 25

that there was any visitation to the site. The reason we did that is because we needed to understand

02:49:39
Speaker 25

what was existing

02:49:41
Speaker 25

and what was being proposed.

02:49:46
Speaker 25

The other thing that I'm concerned about is,

02:49:50
Speaker 25

the lack of openness

02:49:53
Speaker 25

and the things that were

02:49:55
Speaker 25

proposed that I believe are, inappropriate

02:49:58
Speaker 25

additions and removals

02:50:00
Speaker 25

to the historic property.

02:50:02
Speaker 25

An event space for 200 plus guests.

02:50:07
Speaker 25

How was that designed?

02:50:09
Speaker 25

Was there a charrette?

02:50:11
Speaker 25

I

02:50:15
Speaker 25

Again, as a licensed professional working in the city, when I wanted to make,

02:50:21
Speaker 25

changes or additions

02:50:23
Speaker 25

to properties that were in the HPC,

02:50:26
Speaker 25

I had to put a sign up. I had to invite the neighborhoods.

02:50:30
Speaker 25

We had to have a meeting, and then we had to have a meeting at City Hall. I don't see that any of that No. Was done. To what?

02:50:37
Speaker 25

Your time has expired? Okay. I would like to just say one one,

02:50:42
Speaker 25

last thing is that the other thing that I'm really concerned about is the discrepancy in the tree totals. The Founders Park plan show a 136

02:50:50
Speaker 25

total trees. Thank you very much. Living trees and the Bartlett survey are 229.

02:50:56
Speaker 25

That's 93 undocumented Your time

02:51:15
Speaker 1

Hey, Kara.

02:51:17
Speaker 1

Five questions. You got five?

02:51:21
Speaker 1

Okay.

02:51:36
Speaker 39

Mister mayor, we apologize. We didn't get down the,

02:51:39
Speaker 39

wording for each question. But if, mister Malone

02:51:43
Speaker 39

can,

02:51:44
Speaker 39

get back with the resident on the specifics,

02:51:48
Speaker 1

that would be great. I I wouldn't mind answering though at the end of the evening. I wanna make sure we answer those questions. I think they're

02:51:55
Speaker 1

all relevant questions to the matter at hand, and I think we can answer those. Right, Steven? And so now I just wanna make sure we get the exact nature of someone's questions.

02:52:06
Speaker 39

The information here, and we will add those questions to the list. Thank you. Thanks so much.

02:52:13
Speaker 1

She she gave her she gave her. She Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

02:52:17
Speaker 6

Madam Clerk?

02:52:19
Speaker 27

Allison Froelich.

02:52:29
Speaker 2

You need the overhead as well. So if we can convert to overhead projection, please.

02:52:38
Speaker 2

Give us just a moment.

02:52:49
Speaker 36

Hey. Good evening. My name is Allison Vroelich.

02:52:52
Speaker 36

I live on Park Avenue here in Roswell. I'm a local attorney and previously served on the planning commission as well as on several other committees throughout the years. I'm here to talk about the process, what should have happened but didn't.

02:53:05
Speaker 36

First, while it's true that city owned historic properties do not need to go through the same review as non city owned historic properties,

02:53:12
Speaker 36

that doesn't mean they don't need to go through any review. In our code of ordinances, article 9.1 applies to city owned historic properties.

02:53:21
Speaker 36

Section nine point one point two is entitled submission to historic preservation commission required

02:53:26
Speaker 36

for structural change or major modification.

02:53:29
Speaker 36

That section states, and I've got it up here on the overhead,

02:53:33
Speaker 36

prior to undertaking any changes to historical property that would otherwise require a certificate of appropriateness,

02:53:39
Speaker 36

the city shall notify the historic preservation commission of the proposed changes and allow the commission forty five days to comment.

02:53:46
Speaker 36

So the actual changes that will be proposed

02:53:50
Speaker 36

must be presented to the HPC.

02:53:52
Speaker 36

The section continues, recommendations of the commission shall not be binding on the city unless,

02:53:58
Speaker 36

in the commission's opinion, the proposed changes would threaten the historical integrity

02:54:02
Speaker 36

of the structure

02:54:04
Speaker 36

question. And I'd respectfully submit very simply put, this review did not happen.

02:54:11
Speaker 36

First, it's important to point out that section nine point one point two clearly contemplates this review process to take the place of the review of a certificate of appropriateness

02:54:20
Speaker 36

application

02:54:21
Speaker 36

that normally occurs for non city owned properties.

02:54:24
Speaker 36

So the changes to be considered by HPC

02:54:27
Speaker 36

should be the changes that would normally be included

02:54:30
Speaker 36

in the application for the certificate of appropriateness.

02:54:34
Speaker 36

Here, a preliminary rendering was presented to the HPC on October 2024.

02:54:42
Speaker 36

Online, there's no video for HPC meetings, but there are a bunch of different renderings that you all saw in September.

02:54:51
Speaker 17

I'm guessing

02:54:52
Speaker 36

that it was probably one of these.

02:55:00
Speaker 36

So,

02:55:02
Speaker 36

these are two very different images that I think were shown to you guys. I got these off of the video from your meeting in September.

02:55:11
Speaker 36

I don't know exactly what was shown to them, but I think we can all agree that an artist's rendering alone

02:55:17
Speaker 36

would not normally be sufficient to satisfy the requirements of an application for a certificate of appropriateness.

02:55:24
Speaker 36

Since it wouldn't satisfy the requirements for a non city owned property,

02:55:32
Speaker 36

property.

02:55:33
Speaker 36

Additionally, HPC was told at the hearing that the renderings and presentation were for informational purposes only. That's in the minutes.

02:55:42
Speaker 36

The commission was not told that they had forty five days to review and comment.

02:55:46
Speaker 36

They were not invited to submit proposed changes.

02:55:49
Speaker 36

What they were presented was merely the concept of a plan.

02:55:53
Speaker 36

No tree removal plan,

02:55:55
Speaker 36

no engineering plans, just these pretty pictures still showing an extensive tree cover on the property.

02:56:02
Speaker 36

Nothing to allow them to conduct a meaningful

02:56:04
Speaker 36

substantive

02:56:05
Speaker 36

historical review. Nothing about presentation the presentation in October 2024

02:56:11
Speaker 36

satisfied

02:56:12
Speaker 36

section nine point one point two. So now in April 2025, the actual construction plans were submitted to the city. The actual plans were quite different from these concepts of plan renderings that were presented in the fall.

02:56:25
Speaker 36

Now, finally, the time was ripe for presenting the plan to HPC in a public meeting affording the public a chance to comment and HPC forty five days to review and submit recommend recommendations,

02:56:38
Speaker 36

potentially binding

02:56:39
Speaker 36

recommendations.

02:56:40
Speaker 36

However, that did not happen.

02:56:42
Speaker 36

HPC was not presented with these final construction plans. The plans never saw the light of day at any public hearing. Instead, we're all blindsided when bulldozers

02:56:52
Speaker 36

started ripping out the historical landscape surrounding Mimosa Hall, including the removal of many irreplaceable specimen trees

02:57:00
Speaker 36

without going through any historical review process.

02:57:04
Speaker 36

After public outcry, the city posted renderings on a website, renderings

02:57:08
Speaker 36

which are different there's a lot of different renderings on that website. They're different from these two things.

02:57:15
Speaker 36

And also on that website was the statement,

02:57:18
Speaker 36

all decisions were based on approved construction plans and were reviewed by the historic preservation commission.

02:57:25
Speaker 36

As I've just outlined, this is completely untrue.

02:57:28
Speaker 36

What the HPC was presented in October

02:57:31
Speaker 36

for informational purposes was a preliminary

02:57:34
Speaker 36

rendering the concept of a plan. They were never asked to review the final construction plans as required

02:57:41
Speaker 36

by nine point one point two.

02:57:43
Speaker 36

This needs to be made as right as it can be made at this point in time given that the process called for in our city ordinance

02:57:51
Speaker 36

was not followed.

02:57:53
Speaker 36

Thank you.

02:58:05
Speaker 1

Thank you, Allison.

02:58:07
Speaker 1

Cara, we got those?

02:58:09
Speaker 1

We got those. Okay.

02:58:15
Speaker 1

Madam clerk.

02:58:16
Speaker 27

Ashley Glass.

02:58:46
Speaker 20

I'm Ashley Glass, and, you can start the timer. I'm just going to play what I recorded since I'm blind in one eye and didn't wanna have to read.

02:58:56
Speaker 20

Tonight, not just as a resident, but as someone who believed you when you campaigned on transparency,

02:59:02
Speaker 20

historic preservation,

02:59:04
Speaker 20

public safety,

02:59:05
Speaker 20

and support for our downtown businesses.

02:59:09
Speaker 20

Like many others in Roswell, I voted with hope.

02:59:12
Speaker 20

But today, I stand here before you with disappointment and resolve.

02:59:17
Speaker 20

The promises you made to our community on on parking, transparency,

02:59:23
Speaker 20

leadership,

02:59:24
Speaker 20

safety,

02:59:25
Speaker 20

and preservation

02:59:26
Speaker 20

have been broken,

02:59:27
Speaker 20

and that breach of public trust demands accountability.

02:59:32
Speaker 20

Let's begin with the parking deck. During the 2021 campaign and the 2022 bond referendum discussions, we were repeatedly

02:59:39
Speaker 20

told the parking deck downtown would be free

02:59:43
Speaker 20

to support Canton Street businesses,

02:59:45
Speaker 20

reduce the traffic strain, and invite tourism.

02:59:48
Speaker 20

Quotes like the revenue from businesses will pay for it. That was what mayor Wilson said, or we promised Roswell voters we would use bond monies for a parking deck.

02:59:57
Speaker 20

We're echoed at public meetings and campaign events. But in 2025,

03:00:02
Speaker 20

the city budget, you plan to collect $2,200,000

03:00:06
Speaker 20

in parking fees, fees, breaking that core promise you made. Local business owners now feel betrayed

03:00:12
Speaker 20

watching other cities like Alpharetta and Woodstock thrive with free parking, while Roswell puts up pay stations and ticket threats.

03:00:21
Speaker 20

This is not what the voters approved.

03:00:24
Speaker 20

Then there's transparency.

03:00:26
Speaker 20

One of your cornerstone promises, for instance, mayor Wilson, you admitted to using personal email accounts and deleting texts,

03:00:34
Speaker 20

sidestepping the public records law you pledged to uphold.

03:00:38
Speaker 20

Council members have been left out of key communications.

03:00:41
Speaker 20

For instance, maybe a plan about Canton Street being closed down.

03:00:45
Speaker 20

That's actually

03:00:46
Speaker 20

strategic exclusion instead of transparent leadership.

03:00:50
Speaker 20

As for governance, the body promised to promote professional city city management,

03:00:55
Speaker 20

empowering a city administrator,

03:00:58
Speaker 20

not concentrating

03:00:59
Speaker 20

power in one office like you wanted to do when you wanted to change the city charter.

03:01:05
Speaker 20

Let's talk about public safety. I speak not just as a resident, but as the wife of a fireman.

03:01:13
Speaker 20

I am married to a fireman who's actually been a fireman for twenty one years and who was burned

03:01:19
Speaker 20

in a house collapse sustaining fifteen percent

03:01:22
Speaker 20

burns to his body. So I know firsthand what fire departments need to protect this community. Not only that, I was in public safety for twelve years myself.

03:01:31
Speaker 20

In 02/2019,

03:01:32
Speaker 20

Roswell leased a $1,170,000

03:01:36
Speaker 20

heavy rescue truck for major emergencies. That would be like collapses, trench rescues,

03:01:41
Speaker 20

high rise fires.

03:01:43
Speaker 20

These are

03:01:44
Speaker 20

these need to be fully staffed.

03:01:47
Speaker 20

Like, in Atlanta, for instance, there's eight people on their squad. In Cobb County, eight people. DeKalb County, they have

03:01:54
Speaker 20

a minimum of six, but mostly eight. And Roswell, how many do we have? We have two. Just two.

03:02:01
Speaker 20

So what good is a million dollar rescue apparatus when it arrives with two people? I would say that's actually not safe. That is not safe.

03:02:10
Speaker 20

And not to mention the fact that those two people are not trained on trench and many other things. If you want to dig deeper into that,

03:02:19
Speaker 20

feel free to reach out.

03:02:21
Speaker 20

And finally, let's talk about Melissa Hall. One of the most

03:02:25
Speaker 20

historic

03:02:29
Speaker 20

venues, properties in Roswell, a place that should be protected at all cost.

03:02:35
Speaker 20

Yet dozens of historic trees were removed from that site.

03:02:39
Speaker 20

Some hundreds

03:02:41
Speaker 20

of years old.

03:02:43
Speaker 20

Living

03:02:44
Speaker 20

parts of our city's legacy.

03:02:47
Speaker 20

That was not conservation.

03:02:49
Speaker 20

That was destruction.

03:02:51
Speaker 20

We are tired, tired of hearing one thing on a campaign postcard and seeing the opposite in action. Tired of trusting leadership that doesn't follow through.

03:02:59
Speaker 20

You said you would preserve our history, protect our safety, and serve with transparency.

03:03:05
Speaker 20

From now on, we are watching. We are organizing.

03:03:08
Speaker 20

We are documenting, and we will remember, not just at the next city council, but at the ballot box. We will hold every one of you accountable for the trust you've broken and the promises you've abandoned.

03:03:26
Speaker 20

And, I'm just gonna add, one more thing in my twenty six seconds.

03:03:31
Speaker 20

Let me just pull it up real quick.

03:03:34
Speaker 20

So for those of you who

03:03:37
Speaker 20

talked about the hotel,

03:03:39
Speaker 20

well, again, I was in public safety.

03:03:42
Speaker 20

And,

03:03:44
Speaker 20

eighteen

03:03:45
Speaker 20

fifteen to eighteen years ago, we had problems with that hotel.

03:03:49
Speaker 20

Y'all just decided to do something about it because it was in the news.

03:04:01
Speaker 6

Madam Clerk.

03:04:03
Speaker 6

Dottie Eitris.

03:04:09
Speaker 23

Thank you.

03:04:11
Speaker 23

I'm Dottie Etrus,

03:04:13
Speaker 23

and it was my pleasure to help create the Roswell

03:04:17
Speaker 23

CVB and services its

03:04:19
Speaker 23

executive director for over twenty seven years.

03:04:22
Speaker 23

Prior to that, I was involved in the community movement

03:04:26
Speaker 23

to create the Chattahoochee Nature Center, then I went to work with them for fourteen years. So I have a long history with Roswell,

03:04:34
Speaker 23

and value the assets that make it a wonderful city.

03:04:38
Speaker 23

To market and promote them locally, regionally,

03:04:41
Speaker 23

nationally, and internationally

03:04:43
Speaker 23

was a true joy for me.

03:04:46
Speaker 23

It's not unusual

03:04:47
Speaker 23

for a city

03:04:49
Speaker 23

to have a mill, mill ruins, or maybe a mill house or two, or to have some historic homes.

03:04:56
Speaker 23

Maybe to have a river, streams, native people history.

03:05:00
Speaker 23

To have an early farm home. To have restaurants,

03:05:03
Speaker 23

breweries, and businesses in their historic district.

03:05:07
Speaker 23

But Roswell has them all, and that is unusual.

03:05:11
Speaker 23

It is due to the diligent

03:05:13
Speaker 23

work done by many residents over numerous years,

03:05:17
Speaker 23

far too many than I could possibly mention.

03:05:21
Speaker 23

This combination makes Roswell's tourism product the envy

03:05:25
Speaker 23

of other cities throughout Georgia and I would say the Southeast.

03:05:30
Speaker 23

These assets are strong magnets for attracting residents, visitors and businesses.

03:05:36
Speaker 23

When Mimosa Hall was purchased, my staff and I were so excited about the gardens being restored.

03:05:42
Speaker 23

Those Neil Reed designed areas

03:05:45
Speaker 23

would be a strong tourism asset, and we wanted to market them to garden clubs throughout Georgia

03:05:52
Speaker 23

and in within our drive markets.

03:05:54
Speaker 23

But if those gardens are destroyed,

03:05:58
Speaker 23

that could never happen.

03:06:00
Speaker 23

Sorry. It didn't happen in my time here that that we could do that.

03:06:05
Speaker 23

When I first heard the city was going to create a park of the historic district,

03:06:09
Speaker 23

I imagined it would keep intact that historic

03:06:13
Speaker 23

integrity of the area by making it easier to cross roads, stroll stroll from one place to the next to provide connectivity.

03:06:23
Speaker 23

I was greatly disappointed

03:06:24
Speaker 23

to see the destruction

03:06:26
Speaker 23

of such a beautiful natural area

03:06:29
Speaker 23

that enhanced the ambiance of Bullock Avenue,

03:06:32
Speaker 23

Mimosa Hall, and Bullock Hall, not to mention the wildlife

03:06:37
Speaker 23

the area supported.

03:06:39
Speaker 23

If a private nonprofit like Chattahoochee Nature Center can build a bridge over Willie 0 Road to get people back and forth safely, the city should certainly be able to create connectivity

03:06:51
Speaker 23

without so drastically

03:06:53
Speaker 23

destroying a piece of a historic property.

03:06:56
Speaker 23

What many may not remember is that when we first started the tourism program in Roswell,

03:07:02
Speaker 23

it was called the Historic Roswell District Owners and Business Association.

03:07:08
Speaker 23

Its purpose was to promote the historic district and bring it back to life.

03:07:12
Speaker 23

We were funded by lodging tax, so we had to branch out.

03:07:16
Speaker 23

Later, the restaurant community exploded and gave us another wonderful asset to market along with the breweries and the many individual businesses.

03:07:25
Speaker 23

But their stories become part of our history.

03:07:29
Speaker 23

You see, history is about telling the stories

03:07:32
Speaker 23

and preserving the spaces

03:07:34
Speaker 23

in which to tell those stories, but it is ever evolving

03:07:39
Speaker 23

as more and more people become involved and as our community grows.

03:07:43
Speaker 23

I am very familiar with the events facilities in Roswell. My staff and I heavily promoted them along with other meeting spaces throughout the city.

03:07:53
Speaker 23

I witnessed many different types of businesses in the historic district

03:07:58
Speaker 23

attempt to enlarge their parking lot, add on to or modify their buildings.

03:08:03
Speaker 23

Often, they spent funds and time going back and forth to the HPC

03:08:08
Speaker 23

to get HPC's

03:08:10
Speaker 23

blessing,

03:08:11
Speaker 23

not to just present to HPC.

03:08:14
Speaker 23

Hiring architects, arborists, and experts to draw plans to scale,

03:08:18
Speaker 23

and yet they were often denied the ability to make changes to a historic property.

03:08:25
Speaker 23

Cutting and bulldozing to establish a parking lot and amenities for an events facility the city owns

03:08:32
Speaker 23

puts the local events facility businesses

03:08:35
Speaker 23

on an unlevel playing field or other businesses in the historic district.

03:08:41
Speaker 23

It definitely looks like it gives the city an unfair advantage

03:08:45
Speaker 23

by do as I say, not as I do. That may not be the way it is, but that is the way it is perceived.

03:08:53
Speaker 23

We do not we do need controls in place,

03:08:57
Speaker 23

but we'd say that the city should abide by those same controls.

03:09:01
Speaker 23

This action taken by mayor and council

03:09:04
Speaker 23

was just wrong on so many levels.

03:09:07
Speaker 23

On behalf of all the residents and businesses

03:09:10
Speaker 23

who have worked tirelessly

03:09:12
Speaker 23

throughout all of Roswell's existence

03:09:15
Speaker 23

to protect Miss Citrus.

03:09:17
Speaker 23

Roswell's historic district, I urge you not to ignore the safeguards in place.

03:09:22
Speaker 23

The damage done to Bullock Avenue and Mimosa Grounds cannot be undone. Thank you, ma'am. Yes. It may look nice one year or one day Thank you, ma'am. But it will never again be what it should be. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

03:09:45
Speaker 1

Thank you, Dottie. Madam Clerk.

03:09:47
Speaker 6

Lynn McIntyre.

03:10:00
Speaker 40

Mayor and council. My name is Lynn McIntyre, and I live in Horseshoe Bend at 2210

03:10:05
Speaker 40

Steeplechase Lane. I'm previously on the HOA

03:10:08
Speaker 40

of Horseshoe Bend.

03:10:10
Speaker 40

I serve on a number of nonprofits.

03:10:12
Speaker 40

I was a former employee

03:10:14
Speaker 40

at the Chattahoochee Nature Center like Dottie,

03:10:16
Speaker 40

and I worked closely with Dottie

03:10:19
Speaker 40

with attending the governor's tourism conferences

03:10:22
Speaker 40

to represent Roswell and our wonderful assets.

03:10:26
Speaker 40

I am the

03:10:28
Speaker 40

past president of the Georgia River Network, which is working on big issues

03:10:32
Speaker 40

like saving the Okefenokee Swamp, which just happened, thanks to the conservation fund,

03:10:40
Speaker 40

putting in $62,000,000

03:10:42
Speaker 40

to purchase the land that was going to be turned into a mine.

03:10:46
Speaker 40

So we're very happy we're celebrating those big accomplishments.

03:10:49
Speaker 40

I am a tree hugger,

03:10:51
Speaker 40

unapologetically

03:10:52
Speaker 40

a Lorax person,

03:10:54
Speaker 40

and I do believe that trees are an asset worth saving.

03:10:58
Speaker 40

I wanna ask a couple of things. I know the term clearcutting has been used a number of times tonight.

03:11:04
Speaker 40

Clearcutting, by my definition, which I got off the e Google,

03:11:08
Speaker 40

is the deliberate removal of all trees in a large area,

03:11:12
Speaker 40

usually the harvesting of the trees for some useful purpose.

03:11:17
Speaker 40

I'd like to know what the useful purpose is going to be done with those trees that were removed.

03:11:22
Speaker 40

I saw them stacked up. I have pictures.

03:11:25
Speaker 40

I don't know if we actually just sent them to the mill or what. I know the mayor, former mayor, has a mill at his house, and he could probably make some great wood out of it.

03:11:35
Speaker 40

I don't wanna discount the fact that you all have a hard job to do,

03:11:39
Speaker 40

and I appreciate the work you do.

03:11:42
Speaker 40

I'm concerned that the city is actually competing

03:11:45
Speaker 40

with the nonprofit sector and with other businesses.

03:11:49
Speaker 40

We have a lot of wedding facilities already in Roswell.

03:11:52
Speaker 40

If you're going to make a monetization

03:11:54
Speaker 40

effort

03:11:55
Speaker 40

at some place like Mimosa Hall,

03:11:58
Speaker 40

perhaps doing something different instead of the same old thing would be beneficial.

03:12:04
Speaker 40

The city actually has quite a few of these exact same kind of assets,

03:12:08
Speaker 40

And I'll just use as an example,

03:12:13
Speaker 40

Barrington Hall, Bullock Hall already have rental facilities in place, The Mill, and quite a few others. I think there are about eight right now, the River Landing.

03:12:23
Speaker 40

So you must be making some money from the cumulative

03:12:27
Speaker 40

effect of these rentals.

03:12:29
Speaker 40

If not, you're not doing the right marketing

03:12:32
Speaker 40

because, frankly,

03:12:33
Speaker 40

there's a lot of business out there that's untapped.

03:12:36
Speaker 40

People do wanna come to Roswell.

03:12:38
Speaker 40

I would like to see something like a listening room.

03:12:42
Speaker 40

At Ground And Pound in East Roswell, which has a capacity of about 50 people, we had Hal Coleman, Saturday night, do Bob Dylan songs and stories.

03:12:52
Speaker 40

The place was packed.

03:12:54
Speaker 40

A listening room is something we don't have anywhere. It's not for the cultural arts center. It needs a small, compact space, maybe a 100 people, but you could fill it up every weekend night and maybe some weeks

03:13:06
Speaker 40

as well. The idea is not everybody has weddings or expensive events, but you could do something different. I'd like to see some creativity, and maybe that's back to you all at the historic home.

03:13:19
Speaker 40

But I respect the work that they're doing, and I want to encourage you to find solutions that are out of the box. That's how we used to market the nature center when I was doing that job. We had to come up with some real clever ideas like staycations in Roswell

03:13:34
Speaker 40

because people couldn't afford to leave.

03:13:37
Speaker 40

Frankly, that's getting to be the case again.

03:13:40
Speaker 40

Your own citizens are going to be your customers.

03:13:44
Speaker 40

Don't piss them off anymore. Thank you very much.

03:13:49
Speaker 1

Thank you, Yavi.

03:13:51
Speaker 1

Thank you.

03:13:56
Speaker 1

Kara, we good on the question.

03:13:58
Speaker 1

Thank you, ma'am. Madam clerk.

03:14:01
Speaker 6

Michael Deltero.

03:14:25
Speaker 18

Right. Michael Del Cero,

03:14:27
Speaker 18

Aversham Downs. Hello, mayor. Hello, council. Good evening,

03:14:31
Speaker 18

and thank you, members and guests.

03:14:36
Speaker 18

I'm speaker number 22.

03:14:40
Speaker 18

And if my notes serve me correctly, everyone has expressed concerns.

03:14:47
Speaker 18

We've heard

03:14:49
Speaker 18

multiple times

03:14:51
Speaker 18

the organizational

03:14:52
Speaker 18

chart,

03:14:53
Speaker 18

citizens up top,

03:14:55
Speaker 18

then mayor and council.

03:15:00
Speaker 18

The citizens with taxpayer money

03:15:03
Speaker 18

bought Mimosa Hall in historic gardens.

03:15:10
Speaker 18

I demand

03:15:12
Speaker 18

an independent investigation.

03:15:17
Speaker 18

You haven't earned the trust

03:15:19
Speaker 18

to referee this evening with a q and a.

03:15:22
Speaker 18

It can't just end here.

03:15:25
Speaker 18

We have two CPAs on counsel,

03:15:28
Speaker 18

a bank auditor,

03:15:30
Speaker 18

and this is what we get.

03:15:34
Speaker 18

We heard this evening over here

03:15:37
Speaker 18

from a variety of people and experts,

03:15:40
Speaker 18

three architects,

03:15:44
Speaker 18

or three attorneys, an architect,

03:15:48
Speaker 18

a lot of questions,

03:15:50
Speaker 18

and disputes of information. For example, clear cutting. My goodness.

03:15:55
Speaker 18

A case has been made this evening,

03:15:58
Speaker 18

and a search for truth

03:16:01
Speaker 18

for the root cause

03:16:03
Speaker 18

of this disaster.

03:16:06
Speaker 18

Communication,

03:16:08
Speaker 18

sketches,

03:16:10
Speaker 18

showing high level concepts from an artist.

03:16:14
Speaker 18

A process with a clear breakdown,

03:16:18
Speaker 18

no site visits by HPC,

03:16:20
Speaker 18

the lack of flow of complete information through city hall,

03:16:25
Speaker 18

missed reviews,

03:16:28
Speaker 18

Accountability.

03:16:29
Speaker 18

Who in the city

03:16:31
Speaker 18

knew the number of trees to be actually 60?

03:16:35
Speaker 18

We need to know this.

03:16:38
Speaker 18

Transparency.

03:16:41
Speaker 18

What are the guardrails

03:16:42
Speaker 18

to protect projects in the future?

03:16:47
Speaker 18

The city has certainly bought a lot of real estate lately.

03:16:54
Speaker 18

A sweet descendant

03:16:56
Speaker 18

had ashes buried at Mimosa.

03:17:02
Speaker 18

Lots of lots of questions.

03:17:05
Speaker 18

We can't just leave here this evening saying done.

03:17:08
Speaker 18

It's just not gonna work.

03:17:11
Speaker 18

This is not an isolated situation.

03:17:14
Speaker 18

I'm a big baseball fan, so I got three strikes.

03:17:19
Speaker 18

Strike one, save Canton Street.

03:17:22
Speaker 18

Citizens spoke up.

03:17:24
Speaker 18

It's gonna have serious consequences to our community. Job losses, decreased revenue for businesses,

03:17:30
Speaker 18

reduced property values.

03:17:34
Speaker 18

City stopped,

03:17:35
Speaker 18

But it seems like it's an option for the future. Strike

03:17:40
Speaker 18

two.

03:17:41
Speaker 18

Save Roswell's history.

03:17:44
Speaker 18

Me, the honorable Jerry Wood, and others

03:17:47
Speaker 18

learned about eminent domain getting filed to seize the land

03:17:50
Speaker 18

and demolish the 1859

03:17:53
Speaker 18

historic Methodist church.

03:17:56
Speaker 18

Mayor, you approached me 05/15/2024

03:18:00
Speaker 18

at Roswell Next at Coastal Grill.

03:18:03
Speaker 18

You did a slide deck and a Q and A.

03:18:07
Speaker 18

I didn't have a question, but you came to me anyway.

03:18:12
Speaker 18

I didn't have a question, but you still came to me and put the mic to my face.

03:18:17
Speaker 18

So, I asked.

03:18:20
Speaker 18

Can there be a town hall for people to ask questions about the historic building? You said no.

03:18:26
Speaker 18

That's what open mic night is for.

03:18:29
Speaker 18

And we need to trust the mayor and council.

03:18:32
Speaker 18

You are elected.

03:18:34
Speaker 18

That's on video.

03:18:35
Speaker 18

Strike two.

03:18:37
Speaker 18

Strike three,

03:18:39
Speaker 18

it's this evening.

03:18:40
Speaker 18

Citizens are outraged.

03:18:43
Speaker 18

I'm here. It's open mic night.

03:18:47
Speaker 18

I demand an independent

03:18:49
Speaker 18

investigation get done

03:18:51
Speaker 18

just like Oxbow Road.

03:18:53
Speaker 18

To have this put on the next city council meeting agenda, a motion get made, a discussion, then have a public vote

03:19:01
Speaker 18

to have an open investigation on this.

03:19:05
Speaker 18

So my questions for our note takers,

03:19:07
Speaker 18

because these are more than statements. I want answers to my questions.

03:19:12
Speaker 18

One, who will put this on the next meeting agenda?

03:19:17
Speaker 18

Two,

03:19:18
Speaker 18

when will that meeting happen?

03:19:22
Speaker 18

Three,

03:19:23
Speaker 18

who will make a motion and second the motion?

03:19:27
Speaker 18

Thank you.

03:19:40
Speaker 6

Betty Price.

03:19:57
Speaker 41

Good evening, mister Knighton. Can you turn this up a little bit? I had a hard time hearing the last couple of people.

03:20:03
Speaker 41

You could turn up the microphone, please. I can start my time over.

03:20:07
Speaker 41

Thank you. Good evening, mister Knighton,

03:20:10
Speaker 41

mayor and council, mister Davidson.

03:20:12
Speaker 41

And I said it in that order because I believe mister Knighton is the presiding officer this evening, although I don't know why.

03:20:18
Speaker 41

My name is Betty Price. I've lived here for forty one years in Roswell, 295 Broadmeadow Cove. One of the first things I did when I moved to Roswell was join the Roswell Historical Society because I knew what importance it was in this city and the,

03:20:35
Speaker 41

special place that I lived knowing that I wanted to know as much as I possibly could about the history.

03:20:40
Speaker 41

Now some of the people behind me may see a shirt that I've got on. It says owner.

03:20:48
Speaker 41

I got that at

03:20:50
Speaker 41

a retreat

03:20:51
Speaker 41

from mayor mayor and council

03:20:53
Speaker 41

about ten years ago when I was on council.

03:20:56
Speaker 41

And I remember when the staff gave me the shirt, I thought, I'm an owner of what?

03:21:00
Speaker 41

And sometimes I think that,

03:21:03
Speaker 41

council thinks they're the owner of the city, but the owners are back here. We own the city.

03:21:12
Speaker 41

I I really have to suppress my supreme disappointment in what has happened.

03:21:17
Speaker 41

Although, frankly, I'm not surprised. It seems to be a broken record these days.

03:21:21
Speaker 41

We're getting into these situations

03:21:24
Speaker 41

repeatedly.

03:21:26
Speaker 41

And I I know it's a matter of public record, but could for the benefit of those of us in the room, could we review just who did vote for this approval of this? Was it unanimous? A show of hands if you voted for this.

03:21:39
Speaker 41

Nobody voted for it?

03:21:41
Speaker 41

Oh, nobody voted for it. Isn't that fascinating? Okay.

03:21:45
Speaker 41

Well, then what are we doing here? How did this happen?

03:21:49
Speaker 41

Well, I just have a few points, and I just wanna kinda echo and ditto what everybody else has said. I really wasn't going to speak tonight, but, I I felt compelled. I thought 22 people wasn't enough.

03:21:59
Speaker 41

We in this room

03:22:03
Speaker 31

yeah.

03:22:04
Speaker 41

We in this room

03:22:05
Speaker 41

agree that the mimosa destruction is profoundly

03:22:09
Speaker 41

heartbreaking.

03:22:10
Speaker 41

And, really, it seems to be for no valid reason.

03:22:14
Speaker 41

What is the driving force?

03:22:17
Speaker 41

Is it staff?

03:22:18
Speaker 41

Is it mayor and council? Apparently, nobody voted for it.

03:22:22
Speaker 41

Should we just follow the money? Is that what we're supposed to do?

03:22:26
Speaker 41

I asked one council person. They told me the reason given

03:22:29
Speaker 41

was that the historic homes are not paying for themselves.

03:22:33
Speaker 41

And then we heard earlier this evening that 6 mil $16,000,000

03:22:37
Speaker 41

has been allocated.

03:22:38
Speaker 41

Are we planning to recoup that? I doubt it.

03:22:42
Speaker 41

There have been so many violations.

03:22:45
Speaker 41

Transparency,

03:22:46
Speaker 41

violation of procedures,

03:22:48
Speaker 41

violation of of HPC,

03:22:51
Speaker 41

requirements, violations of the tree ordinance,

03:22:54
Speaker 41

invalid

03:22:56
Speaker 41

procedure with a tree removal permitting,

03:23:01
Speaker 41

stakeholders not solicited in a meaningful way.

03:23:04
Speaker 41

And then we have just the basic core function of government.

03:23:08
Speaker 41

It is not to run it as a business,

03:23:10
Speaker 41

but to provide essential services.

03:23:13
Speaker 41

It's not a glamorous job.

03:23:17
Speaker 41

It's it's really not a glamorous job. I know. I sat up there. It it's not glamorous.

03:23:21
Speaker 41

But competing against private business

03:23:24
Speaker 41

violates

03:23:25
Speaker 41

the core

03:23:27
Speaker 41

function of government.

03:23:32
Speaker 41

And we're told

03:23:33
Speaker 41

that Roswell is a Tree City USA community for thirty years.

03:23:38
Speaker 41

Are we supposed to gasp or cry?

03:23:41
Speaker 41

The tree ordinance was violated.

03:23:44
Speaker 41

One time, I cut down a tree without a permit.

03:23:47
Speaker 41

I was fined $300.

03:23:50
Speaker 41

Is it too late for me to ask for my money back?

03:23:54
Speaker 41

If you calculate out, what is it, 90 trees times

03:23:57
Speaker 41

anyway, it's a big sum of money. I'm wondering who's gonna get the bit get get the fine.

03:24:02
Speaker 41

Anyway, we just need to stop this project immediately,

03:24:09
Speaker 41

reassess

03:24:13
Speaker 41

reassess how to protect what is left and move forward in a responsible way. We can't turn back the clock.

03:24:20
Speaker 41

What's done is done. It's sickening.

03:24:23
Speaker 41

But we must reevaluate

03:24:25
Speaker 41

soliciting sage and wise advice

03:24:29
Speaker 41

along with broad public input

03:24:33
Speaker 41

and how we will repair this damage done

03:24:37
Speaker 41

in our

03:24:38
Speaker 41

loving

03:24:39
Speaker 41

home of Roswell.

03:24:41
Speaker 41

Thank you.

03:24:49
Speaker 2

As a as a reminder, of course,

03:24:51
Speaker 2

as we've done throughout the course of the evening,

03:24:54
Speaker 2

questions that are posed are being recorded and documented. So thank you very much.

03:24:59
Speaker 6

Madam Clerk.

03:25:01
Speaker 6

Mayor, there are no further speakers on this subject. Thank you very much.

03:25:07
Speaker 1

Steven and team, let's let's start addressing some of the questions have been raised this evening.

03:25:11
Speaker 1

Mister Leatherman, miss doctor Pannino,

03:25:16
Speaker 1

Michelle,

03:25:18
Speaker 1

mister Cusack.

03:25:23
Speaker 16

Apologies in advance, Mayor.

03:25:26
Speaker 16

I have my computer up here. I've been trying to take note. So Let's start with the I think,

03:25:31
Speaker 1

we'll start with the first question. What's the proper process for tree removal? Did the city follow that process?

03:25:38
Speaker 16

Do we answer that earlier? Yep. I'm gonna hand that over to our community development director, Michelle Alexander.

03:25:53
Speaker 17

So for a large project for a major LDP for a major land disturbance permit,

03:25:59
Speaker 17

part of that package, it's several documents. So an LDP

03:26:03
Speaker 17

isn't just an LDP for one thing. It has several disciplines

03:26:19
Speaker 17

So the tree permit is subsumed within the land disturbance

03:26:20
Speaker 17

So the tree permit is subsumed within the land disturbance permit. We absolutely filed the same process

03:26:28
Speaker 17

that we follow with any other major,

03:26:31
Speaker 17

land disturbance permit that came in as a plan,

03:26:35
Speaker 17

which is a set of documents of several different documents.

03:26:39
Speaker 17

This one, it start with that that piece of it of of the procedure.

03:26:44
Speaker 17

The tree ordinance is a set of calculations.

03:26:47
Speaker 17

Not each tree is,

03:26:50
Speaker 17

as valuable as the next. If I have a little skinny shrub or,

03:26:54
Speaker 17

a little pine tree, that is very different than when you have, obviously, as you all know and love, and I hear the love and dedication from the community about what what you've seen,

03:27:04
Speaker 17

and experience of this kind of change.

03:27:08
Speaker 17

They're not the same. So the way tree ordinances work is they'd assign a value,

03:27:12
Speaker 17

depending on the size of the tree.

03:27:15
Speaker 17

So when you go through and you it isn't enough to say I chopped five trees down,

03:27:20
Speaker 17

well, I don't know what that means. It's it doesn't mean anything for this code or for most tree ordinances.

03:27:26
Speaker 17

So I'm going to speak a little bit about the numbers and

03:27:30
Speaker 17

walk through what your certified arborist and, by the way, the person who is our certified arborist is also a registered landscape architect. So he was a very highly qualified or is a highly qualified,

03:27:43
Speaker 17

certified,

03:27:44
Speaker 17

arborist.

03:27:45
Speaker 17

The

03:27:46
Speaker 17

calculations, though, are just that. They're calculations. They come from the numbers and the size of the tree, so we absolutely had a survey. There is a tree survey.

03:27:54
Speaker 17

We had, the calculations for what was proposed of,

03:27:59
Speaker 17

being removed.

03:28:00
Speaker 17

So there was absolutely discussion,

03:28:03
Speaker 17

on the design team, that was the barge team, with the the

03:28:07
Speaker 17

the planning and site design that was presented of where the alignment should be so that you could serve and open up this site so it could have access and be more utilized and then you could draw more visitors.

03:28:19
Speaker 17

So the design

03:28:21
Speaker 17

had,

03:28:23
Speaker 17

you know, walk through the the construction

03:28:25
Speaker 17

design, determine the different limits of of the development.

03:28:30
Speaker 17

So this is a 22 acre site,

03:28:33
Speaker 17

and this is four around four acres of it that were gonna be the limits of disturbance. So within that, what are we counting? So with these four acres out of 22 of this gorgeous forest. Right? You're looking at the four acres

03:28:47
Speaker 17

and excuse me. Okay. I apologize if I'm getting my my dad. I'm not the arborist, and I'm reading from what our staff has worked together. But I also reviewed it, ourselves, and I also listened to every word of the H from when this was heard in October to sit to understand

03:29:03
Speaker 17

what did HPC hear and what did staff respond to when we, shared the excuse me. I'm so sorry. Please address us. Thank you. The etiquette. I apologize.

03:29:14
Speaker 17

So Go ahead, Michelle. The calculations, I just wanna I I don't know if you want me to walk through the calculations. I can tell you that we filed the same,

03:29:22
Speaker 17

as any other applicant that would come in. We calculate for that area based on the tree survey what is the density of what it exists today using these calculations.

03:29:31
Speaker 17

And when you use the calculation to say today, this is how much the value these numbers are of the tree

03:29:38
Speaker 17

density units, the TDUs. So this is a c series of calculations, and we look at what is there today,

03:29:44
Speaker 17

what are we discussing about removing,

03:29:47
Speaker 17

and then there's a whole another set of calculations that we have to follow. We're required to follow it to say, okay. If you're taking down a certain size tree, you're supposed to there's a recompense. You have to compensate.

03:29:58
Speaker 17

So a specimen tree is worth much more

03:30:00
Speaker 17

than any than, any of the other regular trees. So there's a set of calculations. And I just

03:30:06
Speaker 17

so that's the process, and we have all of that that we walked through the total amounts of the tree density units that were taken out,

03:30:14
Speaker 17

as well as what is anticipated to be put back. And I think it's it's just difficult to imagine

03:30:20
Speaker 17

all of the types of density coming back and over time when you plant initially

03:30:25
Speaker 17

trees at six feet as well as trees that are planting will be 14 feet, and if they grow every two, you know, two feet every two years along the whole side.

03:30:33
Speaker 17

And then we have renderings of and and

03:30:37
Speaker 17

site plans of proposals that were shared with the, with the different respective organizations.

03:30:43
Speaker 17

Don't know how much more detail you want me to go into that of the units and how much we're actually planting

03:30:49
Speaker 17

four times more than the required minimum,

03:30:52
Speaker 17

that would be required by the code,

03:30:54
Speaker 17

for any other applicant. We are planting around four times more according to our calculations.

03:31:00
Speaker 1

Did you want me to answer about HPC? Yeah. Did the city follow the process, I e, the tree ordinance?

03:31:06
Speaker 14

Yes.

03:31:08
Speaker 1

Why did existing trees need to be removed and new trees will be planted?

03:31:16
Speaker 16

Mayor, I'll I'll jump into this and I think there's some context that we can bring to the table. I'd like to just quickly

03:31:24
Speaker 16

run through the presentation very quickly that was presented at Friends of Mimosa and the Friends of Bullet Falls, September 12, your preservation commission. I just wanna make sure that we're showing the exact information that went out to the public.

03:31:36
Speaker 16

So here's where we start to go through some of the details, and I'll go through this quickly. It's not the public. This

03:31:43
Speaker 16

was the presentation that was presented at both

03:31:46
Speaker 16

Friends of Mimosa Hall and the Friends of Bullock Hall as well as the Historic Preservation Commission, which was a public

03:31:53
Speaker 16

meeting.

03:31:55
Speaker 2

Please please

03:31:56
Speaker 16

please please allow him to, proceed. Here here are the priorities that came out of our, design charrette,

03:32:03
Speaker 16

starts to identify the priorities that we were focused on. We start to lay that out on a site review

03:32:09
Speaker 16

as well as itemized phase one priority improvements.

03:32:13
Speaker 16

As we start to go through, you very quickly start to see see this plan start to zero in

03:32:19
Speaker 16

specifically on the area of Mimosa Hall and the five elements that we are,

03:32:25
Speaker 16

activating as the primary elements of this project.

03:32:28
Speaker 16

As you start to see, we did a slide and a presentation on specifically

03:32:32
Speaker 16

the Bullock Pond and the Founders Pond as it relates to this project. These are the retention ponds that were required

03:32:39
Speaker 16

as part of our,

03:32:40
Speaker 16

stormwater retention

03:32:42
Speaker 16

pieces.

03:32:43
Speaker 16

You'll also start to notice that we're on the event terrace lawn. We start to provide a little bit of those details. I'll kinda go through this a little more quickly. This just starts to show the floor plan of the supporting structure, some of the just aesthetics of that. Then you'll notice we get into the event parking slide. This was our initial primary design of the event parking lot. We very quickly, throughout this process,

03:33:06
Speaker 16

started to have a conversation about how that parking lot specifically in its design started to impede a little bit further into the property, which was a concern.

03:33:15
Speaker 16

We actually

03:33:25
Speaker 16

between Bullock Hall and Mimosa Hall. It is, has a lot of dense population in there or dense,

03:33:32
Speaker 16

vegetation in there, including a lot of invasives,

03:33:35
Speaker 16

bamboo, understory,

03:33:37
Speaker 1

and trees as well. And who is who is this presented to? This was presented to the

03:33:42
Speaker 16

Mimosa, Friends of Bullock, and this is the presentation that went to the historic preservation commission.

03:33:48
Speaker 26

Fire board?

03:33:49
Speaker 16

So here here is the additional

03:33:52
Speaker 2

If you would, please allow mister Malone to proceed and perhaps some things will be illuminated

03:33:57
Speaker 2

and, any other necessary responses,

03:34:00
Speaker 16

potentially would be made. Please, mister Malone. This is the exact presentation that was presented to the historic preservation commission.

03:34:07
Speaker 16

Here is the vendor parking. This actually is an element that we've had to remove out of the project based on cost. That's something that we've had to kinda scale back based on the budget for the project.

03:34:18
Speaker 16

This gets into a little more of the reflecting pond, some of the materials, site furnishings.

03:34:23
Speaker 16

But here at the end, we get into a very specific plant palette that we start to showcase

03:34:29
Speaker 16

some of the plantings.

03:34:31
Speaker 16

Michelle Alexander,

03:34:32
Speaker 16

talked about reforesting and replanting.

03:34:35
Speaker 16

This gets into some of that palette that we start to look at from trees that will be going back as well as shrubs that will be there presented in the ground. So this just gives you a little context. It's not it's not specific in numbers, but this just started to dig into those,

03:34:52
Speaker 16

more of the details of the project.

03:34:55
Speaker 16

That was the full presentation that was done to all three of those entities.

03:35:00
Speaker 1

Thanks, Steven.

03:35:02
Speaker 1

Hi. Can you show me the questions again? Sorry.

03:35:15
Speaker 1

Karen, can you pull up the questions?

03:35:22
Speaker 1

Thank you, Steven.

03:35:28
Speaker 1

Okay.

03:35:30
Speaker 1

Does a city believe that a parking lot will attract more visitors than his than the historic gardens?

03:35:38
Speaker 16

My interpretation, sir, is that it's not the parking lot, but the special event venue itself will attract more guests and visitors.

03:35:45
Speaker 1

How much does the city expect to earn from special events at Mimosa Hall?

03:35:50
Speaker 16

Currently, in f y twenty five, and you have to remember in f y twenty five, we'll only be afforded about half a year of opportunities because we'll still be in construction through the summer. We're anticipating and projecting about a 468,000,

03:36:05
Speaker 16

gross revenue for FY '26. And then as we're able to kick that off and we have more accessibility, meaning more dates to book because of the facilities online,

03:36:15
Speaker 16

we're starting project in year two and three an annual,

03:36:19
Speaker 16

gross revenue of approximately 861,000.

03:36:23
Speaker 1

Thank you, sir. I'm gonna keep forgive me. I'm just gonna keep throwing down the questions and Yes, sir. Seem literal, I apologize.

03:36:29
Speaker 1

Why were only high level designs for a mimosa hall project shown during public meetings? So I will tell you, we tried

03:36:44
Speaker 16

recognize that, you know, we wanna make sure that we are always looking for opportunities to improve our communication. So we'll continue to look at that as we move forward. Alright. Why is the city of Roswell focusing on business? Example, parking, real estate, etcetera etcetera,

03:37:00
Speaker 1

rather than focusing on government.

03:37:03
Speaker 1

Anybody want that?

03:37:09
Speaker 16

I can try to jump in. So Sure. So it has always been our hope and a goal that we've been working towards to try to create

03:37:18
Speaker 16

more self sustainability

03:37:20
Speaker 16

within the historic assets.

03:37:22
Speaker 16

We're we recognize

03:37:24
Speaker 16

that that is a large price tag and in some cases, an obligation

03:37:29
Speaker 16

to maintain,

03:37:30
Speaker 16

to

03:37:31
Speaker 16

create, in some cases, the capital improvement items that go with that and just the day to day operations. So I would say as we start to look at opportunities for where we can generate revenue to help offset some of those costs,

03:37:44
Speaker 16

that is a goal we strive for.

03:37:47
Speaker 42

Mister mayor, I'd also Council member sales. Yes, sir. Thank you. But I also like to add that this is a this is activation of an area that has,

03:37:56
Speaker 42

floundered recently. Right? So this is an opportunity to bring more visitors to the place, and it also will support the hotels the hotel that we hope to build. This is an important piece of that. So it's not simply that it's got to pay for itself. It's also a part of building a vibrant city and increasing

03:38:11
Speaker 42

the the functionality

03:38:13
Speaker 42

and the success of that area specifically.

03:38:17
Speaker 1

Thank you, Alan.

03:38:19
Speaker 1

Anything else on that in terms of OpEx or anything? We'll just leave it alone. Alright. What, did the city provide a written explanation to justify removing specimen trees? Sir, I believe,

03:38:30
Speaker 16

director Alexander answered that question as it was related to the land disturbance permit in that process. And that was was that a written explanation

03:38:38
Speaker 1

to justify removing so sorry. For me, I'm sorry to ask you such a literal question

03:38:44
Speaker 1

that I know you gave an explanation about the LDP, which is comprehensive and there are a lot of pieces in the LDP of which trees are part of that. But I'm just going to ask kind of for a very literal answer. So that's on the record. Did the city provide a written explanation to justify removing specimen trees?

03:39:01
Speaker 17

So the we didn't do a separate written report for each specimen tree that was removed.

03:39:07
Speaker 17

There were different iterations,

03:39:09
Speaker 17

when we discussed with the

03:39:11
Speaker 17

design team of what they could and couldn't do,

03:39:14
Speaker 17

and where to align

03:39:17
Speaker 17

the the alignment of the proposed,

03:39:20
Speaker 17

walkways and other disturbances.

03:39:22
Speaker 17

And the other the main thing where there were some, specimen trees that there were some discussion

03:39:28
Speaker 17

had to do with the critical root zone. So especially,

03:39:31
Speaker 17

in the parking lot area where there were gonna be trees that were gonna be damaged. So take them down now instead of taking trying to take it down later was the the

03:39:41
Speaker 17

thought of

03:39:42
Speaker 17

because they're gonna get damaged, it's gonna be worse problem later. So most of that were based on, like, the technical side of the construction

03:39:49
Speaker 17

as proposed with the design.

03:39:51
Speaker 17

So we did not have a separate report about each specimen tree that went, but we did walk through

03:39:58
Speaker 16

the rationale with the with the designer. I don't know if you have additional comments about how the conversations went and what we could preserve. Yeah. I think as we started to look at that, that was even the intent and purpose from the site visit as we started and kicked the project off. We wanted to make sure to do a very thorough walk through of the tree inventory and the tree removal process just to ensure that we were looking at any opportunities

03:40:22
Speaker 16

to preserve any trees that were within the scope of that plan.

03:40:26
Speaker 1

Asking these questions as they lay,

03:40:28
Speaker 1

what are the specifics of justification for not making the public aware of the fact that the trees were being removed?

03:40:35
Speaker 16

I would respond with while the total number of trees was not discussed at that at that that interval, there was plenty of public

03:40:44
Speaker 16

opportunity for comment through this process.

03:40:49
Speaker 1

Do council members know the history of the garden, the part played by Neil Reed? Council, any of you care to comment? Council member David Johnson. Yeah. I'll start.

03:40:58
Speaker 43

First of all,

03:40:59
Speaker 43

being a 43 year old male with three young kids who lives on the East Side Of Roswell, the historical homes have never been a highest priority in my life. I'll be the first one to admit that.

03:41:09
Speaker 43

The passion

03:41:10
Speaker 43

behind

03:41:12
Speaker 43

Bullock Hall that that the

03:41:15
Speaker 43

the leadership of, the Friends of Bullock and the leadership of the Friends of Mimosa have for these halls has changed my opinion on it. And I think that these homes are a good asset for the city to have, but they need to be activated.

03:41:26
Speaker 43

One of my favorite moments is watching my kids like the Christmas tree at,

03:41:31
Speaker 43

the Christkindl market this year. Like, this what a great moment. My eight year old had hot chocolate all over himself.

03:41:38
Speaker 43

My three year old was screaming and crying,

03:41:41
Speaker 43

and my beautiful seven year old daughter was probably just, you know,

03:41:45
Speaker 43

drinking hot chocolate and being chilled like she is 99% of the time. So to get to the history of this home, you know,

03:41:52
Speaker 43

I did a little research over the last couple weeks and kind of brought some down. During

03:41:57
Speaker 43

the union army's occupation of Roswell, it was a served as a union hospital. I did not know that till earlier this week. I'll be the first to admit that. I thought that was really neat. What's also really interesting is 1869,

03:42:08
Speaker 43

general AJ Hanson acquired the home

03:42:11
Speaker 43

and his wife renamed it Mimosa Hall.

03:42:14
Speaker 43

Can anyone guess why?

03:42:16
Speaker 43

After the Mimosa trees.

03:42:18
Speaker 43

So now I now have a question for mister Malone.

03:42:21
Speaker 43

How many Mimosa trees are on this property?

03:42:28
Speaker 16

Do we know? Unknown off the top of my head. I mean, do you think it's 50?

03:42:34
Speaker 43

I would probably say much less than that. Okay. So this brings me, mister mayor of you indulging me for a second.

03:42:41
Speaker 43

I had the

03:42:42
Speaker 43

pleasure of listening to the entire HPC meeting on October 9.

03:42:47
Speaker 43

And when he got to this, the comment from

03:42:50
Speaker 43

I'll leave their names out of it. The first comment was made was, is this literally gonna be a pedestrian connectivity?

03:42:57
Speaker 43

A sign and can we put a sign saying Historic Square this way? And and, what's what's Becky's last name? I'm drawing Hawkins. Thank you. It's a long night. Becky Hawkins was there. I assume you were not there because I didn't hear you on the recording.

03:43:10
Speaker 43

And Becky said, yes. This is improved connectivity to help our historic district. And then someone asked where the money's coming from. It's coming from ARPA.

03:43:17
Speaker 43

And have the Friends of Bullock have seen this? Has this historic society seen this? And the answer was yes to the Friends of Bullock, yes to the Friends of Mimosa, unknown about the historic,

03:43:29
Speaker 43

society at the time.

03:43:30
Speaker 43

Then then it said, where is the line gonna go? And mister Mullen, please correct me if I'm wrong, and I misheard this because I was watching three kids. And so the line is on the side of the pool, not on one of the Neil Reed Gardens. Is that correct? That's well,

03:43:45
Speaker 16

in history, it is where the gardens would have originally had. He had several gardens. Been filled in. Was there. So it's it's basically okay.

03:43:54
Speaker 43

And so then this member of the,

03:43:59
Speaker 43

HBC said, you know, they would really like to put a mimosa tree. They have a mimosa tree at their house that either he hates or his wife hates and they wanna donate it. And I just found it really funny

03:44:09
Speaker 43

that they that there's

03:44:11
Speaker 43

very little to no mimosa trees on this property anymore.

03:44:15
Speaker 43

You know, we're here talking about trees

03:44:17
Speaker 43

and the history of trees, and it sounds like

03:44:21
Speaker 43

and forgive me. Let me go back to my notes.

03:44:26
Speaker 43

Oh, where is it? Oh, I forget. No. Neil Reed was one of the people from my notes that I have. He took out a lot of the mungusas trees

03:44:35
Speaker 43

and planted with the trees that we have today.

03:44:38
Speaker 43

So I, you know, I just find that really funny.

03:44:41
Speaker 43

Moving on,

03:44:43
Speaker 43

someone asked that we keep the design of the driveways of champagne glass. I never never realized it was a champagne glass. I thought that was really cool, and I hope we can somewhat do that. I believe that to the experts.

03:44:56
Speaker 43

I just put people to sleep for a living. I don't build driveways.

03:44:59
Speaker 43

And,

03:45:00
Speaker 43

someone asked, Becky did a fabulous job. This will rival one of the many wedding venues she's been to in her life. And most people will bring will bus in guests, but she's glad to see additional parking.

03:45:13
Speaker 43

And finally,

03:45:15
Speaker 43

the the last comments were, you guys have done a great job.

03:45:18
Speaker 43

We need to do something with them. We need to activate these home.

03:45:22
Speaker 43

As I go down to them, I don't see folks there.

03:45:25
Speaker 43

What does it really mean to activate them? And Becky, I think I'm paraphrasing for forgive me. You have a great answer. It means getting people there with a purpose and experience that people want to go to.

03:45:36
Speaker 43

Worries if it's going to be too crowded,

03:45:38
Speaker 43

and and and this commissioner said, I'm worried that this is going to be too crowded when it's activated.

03:45:44
Speaker 43

So

03:45:45
Speaker 43

I say all that to say,

03:45:47
Speaker 43

you know,

03:45:49
Speaker 43

this is I I will stand behind my vote.

03:45:53
Speaker 43

Right?

03:45:54
Speaker 43

I I think this is a good plan.

03:45:57
Speaker 43

$17,000,000

03:45:59
Speaker 43

over the last four years.

03:46:01
Speaker 43

$17,000,000.

03:46:03
Speaker 43

To the two women that got hit in my neighborhood

03:46:06
Speaker 43

where we don't have sidewalks,

03:46:08
Speaker 43

that money could have gone to the sidewalks. It could have helped change their life.

03:46:11
Speaker 43

Right? It could go to resurfacing of roads. It could go to a lot of things.

03:46:16
Speaker 43

But I am going to make a plan, and I'm gonna continue to vote for plans that make these homes financially sustainable.

03:46:22
Speaker 43

And I'm not you know,

03:46:24
Speaker 43

we're gonna there's gonna be change. Trees are gonna go down. You know? It is what it is. And I'm sorry about that, but I am going to support this plan. I will stand by my vote. I'll continue to stand by my vote. And finally, as a father of a seven year old daughter

03:46:38
Speaker 43

I wasn't gonna say this. I'm not gonna say it.

03:46:41
Speaker 43

To use the word rape

03:46:45
Speaker 43

for cutting down trees,

03:46:47
Speaker 43

to use that word

03:46:49
Speaker 43

is immoral.

03:46:51
Speaker 43

It's disgusting.

03:46:52
Speaker 43

It's beneath the office of of of the prestige of a former mayor, a former elected official.

03:46:58
Speaker 43

You know, you can say a lot of things to us. I'll take all the vitriol. I'll take all the hate. I really don't care.

03:47:06
Speaker 43

But to use that word,

03:47:09
Speaker 43

it's disgusting. It's disgusting that that happened tonight. And I I really hope I'll I'll I'll I will say this. There's two people that I voted for on this dice.

03:47:18
Speaker 43

Hey, Sarah.

03:47:20
Speaker 43

And me.

03:47:21
Speaker 43

I

03:47:23
Speaker 43

yeah.

03:47:24
Speaker 43

I might not vote for me in November. We'll see.

03:47:28
Speaker 43

I don't this I don't agree with councilwoman Hills on a lot of issues. Right? I mean, we we we have our disagreements.

03:47:35
Speaker 43

Right? I am never gonna use that vitriol to you.

03:47:39
Speaker 43

Right?

03:47:39
Speaker 43

I'm never gonna I mean, Al, I voted against him four times, and I enjoyed I enjoyed that conversation with him. Yeah. I never would have voted for you, but you don't run. I didn't vote for Kurt. I didn't vote for Christine. I didn't vote for Will. I will not use that discourse in this city. It's disgusting. It's terrible. And this city would be a lot better off if we have some moral clarity

03:48:01
Speaker 43

on how we talk to people.

03:48:08
Speaker 1

Thank you, David.

03:48:11
Speaker 1

Appreciate that.

03:48:13
Speaker 1

Sad that, a lot of people who

03:48:16
Speaker 1

make comments

03:48:18
Speaker 43

don't understand. Feel free to I Oh, sorry. No. No. Go ahead. I just I think it's interesting. Like, part of part of discussion is having two sides talk and Yeah. One side walks out. So who's weak? Who's weak right now? Who can't hear the the other side of the story? You know, I'm I told y'all, I don't get mad. When I get mad, I get mad. I'm mad. I know you. You know? Forgive me. This is hockey day coming out.

03:48:42
Speaker 43

My phone number is (678)

03:48:44
Speaker 43

571-5112.

03:48:47
Speaker 43

You

03:48:50
Speaker 43

You do not know it. You can text me anytime you want. I will I'll tell you right now, we had three city two city council meetings, a design charrette that was two days of eight hours each,

03:49:02
Speaker 43

HPC meeting. You when we voted to buy this property, how many council meetings were there?

03:49:09
Speaker 43

One.

03:49:10
Speaker 43

One. It showed up on the agenda on Friday at 5PM, and the public got to comment on it on Monday night at 7PM. It was unanimous vote. So I'm really tired of the, oh, you're not transparent or anything like that. You had two council meetings to come up and talk to us about this. It is not my job to spoon feed you information. It's my job to make votes and make decisions and that's what I'm gonna continue to do and I'm gonna make our neighborhood safer, I'm gonna make our police well paid, I wanna make our fire department full time. I wanna grow the economy of this city, and I'm gonna do it so we don't,

03:49:43
Speaker 43

over border the taxpayers of this city. Because you know why we wanna run it as a business? And that's sarcastic for the online transcript.

03:49:51
Speaker 43

Because we this city has not invested in itself

03:49:55
Speaker 43

for twenty, thirty years. The economic growth of this city was buying out East Roswell, not doing crap to it. The economic growth was building single family neighborhoods and not doing crap with it. Alright? And letting 40 year old shopping centers just denigrate,

03:50:11
Speaker 43

desecrate, and degenerate.

03:50:13
Speaker 43

And we can't sustain a mose in Easter Roswell. You guys wanna talk to me about 30 trees.

03:50:21
Speaker 1

Thank you, David.

03:50:22
Speaker 1

It is interesting. It was just worth noting of it's a follow-up comment

03:50:26
Speaker 1

that the, the reason there's been 17,000,000

03:50:29
Speaker 1

spent by this mayor and council and senior leadership team in the last three and a half years is

03:50:34
Speaker 1

is because we did listen to the people. The people across will said that our historic properties matter to us.

03:50:41
Speaker 1

Problem was there wasn't an OPEX plan. OPEX means operational expenses. What does it cost to run those every year? They were in well excess of several $100,000, which is being funded by the general fund, I. E. You and me as taxpayers.

03:50:54
Speaker 1

Was it a plan?

03:50:56
Speaker 1

Another problem was, is that some of these historic homes were beginning to have as little less than 400

03:51:01
Speaker 1

people showing up a year.

03:51:05
Speaker 1

Think about that.

03:51:07
Speaker 1

One person a day showing up at historic property, yet we're asking us, our fellow taxpayers, our fellow residents to fund those

03:51:14
Speaker 1

in perpetuity

03:51:16
Speaker 1

without a plan.

03:51:18
Speaker 1

So, you know, I'm glad you made fun of the business thing. Call it business, call it strategy, call it good common sense. I don't know what you wanna call it. It's calling bringing an op it's calling bringing operational knowledge and execution

03:51:31
Speaker 1

and being able to find ways to pay for things

03:51:33
Speaker 1

that we believe that the residents want. It means also taking having a high level of a competence,

03:51:39
Speaker 1

which has been demonstrated again and again in this budget,

03:51:42
Speaker 1

and being able to maneuver money, the taxpayers money, and to make more and more things work.

03:51:48
Speaker 1

I realized that most of the people came tonight were unfortunately aren't interested in a discussion or engagement. That's okay.

03:51:56
Speaker 1

That's part of the process.

03:51:58
Speaker 1

And it is interesting that as soon as some of the questions getting answered, the vast majority of people walked out. And I'm sorry for that, but that's okay.

03:52:06
Speaker 1

The vast majority of residents,

03:52:08
Speaker 1

do care, and they do care. And I think they they are evocative of David Johnson's perspective.

03:52:14
Speaker 1

They don't want us to fight. They do want us to disagree.

03:52:18
Speaker 1

And they do want us to

03:52:21
Speaker 1

to,

03:52:21
Speaker 1

believe what we believe and fight for what we believe and be able to work it out together. We are all in this together. This is a small community of a 100,000 people. It's a great community.

03:52:31
Speaker 1

But it's not so great when you're unwilling to listen to somebody else. It's not so great when you're willing to denigrate, make false accusations,

03:52:39
Speaker 1

and not back them up. That's not so great. That doesn't make us better.

03:52:44
Speaker 1

And,

03:52:45
Speaker 1

and

03:52:46
Speaker 1

people in public service who are elected officials are just like you. They're just residents.

03:52:50
Speaker 1

They're just residents who ran for office and they got elected.

03:52:53
Speaker 1

And they're representing you and is a representative government.

03:52:57
Speaker 1

And from an operational perspective,

03:53:00
Speaker 1

this there's a tremendous trust level between the elected officials

03:53:05
Speaker 1

and the senior leadership down to the middle leadership down to the lower leadership.

03:53:09
Speaker 1

One of the faults that I would say to you as a resident that the city got into was that too much of elected leadership was meddling in operational activity

03:53:18
Speaker 1

and

03:53:19
Speaker 1

creating one off situations where they were being heavy handed

03:53:23
Speaker 1

and directing outcomes

03:53:25
Speaker 1

of what operational activity was doing often against its own policy.

03:53:30
Speaker 1

And what I believe is that the representatives and a representative government, your city council, and your mayor are your representatives.

03:53:39
Speaker 1

We are not superior

03:53:40
Speaker 1

nor are we inferior.

03:53:43
Speaker 1

We are your we are your representatives.

03:53:46
Speaker 1

And you have

03:53:47
Speaker 1

voted for us, not everybody,

03:53:50
Speaker 1

to make decisions

03:53:51
Speaker 1

based upon the the

03:53:53
Speaker 1

the bet the most amount of information we could put

03:53:58
Speaker 1

reality is is that we have more information. And if you become elected, you're gonna have more information.

03:54:02
Speaker 1

And with that information is a responsibility

03:54:05
Speaker 1

to do the right thing. There's trust.

03:54:08
Speaker 1

And not every single answer can be completely tied up in every single equation. It doesn't mean that there's somewhat thing something being done wrong. And often that's thrown out there. And that's more of a product of today. And that's unfortunate.

03:54:25
Speaker 1

Because just because you can't answer every question with every little dot, doesn't mean that there was some wrongdoing.

03:54:31
Speaker 1

And I will tell you, as a fellow resident to my fellow residents,

03:54:36
Speaker 1

I'm

03:54:37
Speaker 1

immeasurably proud

03:54:39
Speaker 1

of

03:54:40
Speaker 1

the senior leadership that I get to deal with. It's amazing.

03:54:45
Speaker 1

The the

03:54:47
Speaker 1

the competence,

03:54:48
Speaker 1

the

03:54:50
Speaker 1

good faith, the character.

03:54:53
Speaker 1

And David said this, I'm gonna say this, like, I will tell you,

03:54:56
Speaker 1

I have disagreed and everybody here has disagreed with me. Every single person. But I would tell you that if any one of these people was running for city council today, I would support them. Be it Sarah, be it Will,

03:55:08
Speaker 1

be it Christine,

03:55:09
Speaker 1

be it David, be it Alan, be it Lee.

03:55:12
Speaker 1

Because I see him behind the scenes. I see their hearts. I see their work. I see the product. I see how they're engaged.

03:55:18
Speaker 1

It's certainly not because we agree with one another.

03:55:21
Speaker 1

It's because I know they're committed people to continue to look at themselves and look at one another and look at saying, look, what's the right thing to do? And I think when you hear David just a minute ago, it's a frustration of being attacked

03:55:35
Speaker 1

for wrongdoing,

03:55:37
Speaker 1

which is not right. It's one thing to disagree with somebody.

03:55:40
Speaker 1

It's another thing to characterize somebody's actions as continually

03:55:45
Speaker 1

having ulterior motives,

03:55:47
Speaker 1

being corrupt,

03:55:48
Speaker 1

being mistrustful,

03:55:50
Speaker 1

lying,

03:55:51
Speaker 1

bad,

03:55:52
Speaker 1

tyrannical,

03:55:53
Speaker 1

yada yada yada. All these silly narratives are out there that aren't true.

03:55:58
Speaker 1

And the reality is is that this elected body

03:56:02
Speaker 1

gives a great deal of responsibility to the senior leadership because they're responsible for executing.

03:56:08
Speaker 1

And if I were to say to you, and I don't Steven may say like, hey, you know what? Steven's guilty of Steven. You're guilty of you know what? I should have been very specific about the amount of trees that we were gonna take down in every conversation. That's what I probably should have done. Because the trees were coming down to your point because they were part of a plan. Right? They're part of a plan that makes sense

03:56:29
Speaker 1

to activate and make Mimosa more relevant.

03:56:32
Speaker 1

It ties into Bullock. It's important to this, not just today, but to the future of the city, to the people that are gonna come today, tomorrow, and ten years from now. Because we care about the historic properties. This charge is somehow we don't give a rats for rent. That's what the behind the question. Do you know who Mahosau is and

03:56:51
Speaker 1

it's like a it's a charge. Like, well, you don't care. Well, of course you care or you wouldn't be involved. You wouldn't be make like you said, you're on the East Side of the city.

03:57:00
Speaker 1

Alright.

03:57:01
Speaker 1

Can the city adopt public comment on plans for the property moving forward?

03:57:06
Speaker 1

Oh, you get the yellow yellow piece? Yellow. Okay. Yellow. Can the city present the final construction plans to the HBC, Historic Preservation Commission, and give them an opportunity to review the plans and tour the property?

03:57:19
Speaker 1

Now I will say, I do like this ideal. I don't know if this true today,

03:57:25
Speaker 1

but touring properties is always a good idea. And I don't know if we always do that or not. I do like that idea. That does seem to make some sense. Right? I don't know if it's always practical.

03:57:35
Speaker 17

Right? But it does seem like, oh, that's a good idea. But I'm sorry, Michelle, that you answer the question. In fact, our zoning and planning directors was working for, July 1 for HBC to go to a specific site just for that.

03:57:49
Speaker 17

We do not we did not present final construction plans to the HPC. Don't know that we would typically

03:57:56
Speaker 17

the the application for the HPC is a site plan with details.

03:58:00
Speaker 17

We don't normally require

03:58:05
Speaker 17

so we can share with you the construction plans. We can make them available. It's open record of what we were submitted, but we did not just to be clear, we didn't have construction.

03:58:14
Speaker 1

We just have we do have detailed site plans. Yeah. And it's our job to make sure that respective boards and commissions have clarity and understand what's being presented. Right? And so that they can make comments. Right? And say, I like this. I don't like this. Can you change this? That's part of the review process. And it's our response to make responsibility to make sure that's very clear to them. There's not any we're not trying to pull a wool over somebody's eye. You're exactly correct, sir. The whole point in engaging HPC at that stage is to get that comment so that we have an opportunity to make adjustments into a final construction document. And if there's anybody that feels like they're on the HPC that feels like that doesn't happen, I obviously you wanna know I wanna know that. Right? Hey. When you're not you're not shooting straight with me because they're an important part of this process, obviously. They have a massive

03:59:01
Speaker 1

responsibility.

03:59:02
Speaker 1

Can the city adapt accept public comments on plans for the property moving forward?

03:59:13
Speaker 1

I mean, that's an easy question, guys.

03:59:20
Speaker 1

Can the city accept

03:59:22
Speaker 1

the the answer is you already accept public comment on plans

03:59:26
Speaker 1

on multiple places. Correct?

03:59:28
Speaker 1

Yes, sir. And the discus, can you on the plans for the property moving forward,

03:59:33
Speaker 1

I'm not sure. They are there new plans that are coming out? No, sir. These are the only

03:59:39
Speaker 16

funded and completed construction documents, Gaurav.

03:59:42
Speaker 1

So it's suggesting that they were was not public comment on the plans previously, I suppose. Alright. Before decision was made to remove trees at Mimosa Hall, did the city review the archaeological survey?

03:59:58
Speaker 16

I I love this question.

04:00:00
Speaker 16

Yes.

04:00:01
Speaker 16

In 02/2021,

04:00:03
Speaker 16

the city went through an through an Environment Corporation of America conducted what was considered to be a phase one survey

04:00:10
Speaker 16

covering the extent and current proposed land disturbance area.

04:00:15
Speaker 16

Findings were documented and reported. It was determined that beyond the immediate area behind the house,

04:00:20
Speaker 16

no portions of the property reveal any real potential for significant

04:00:24
Speaker 16

subsurface findings

04:00:26
Speaker 16

with the assumptions in that document stating that the previous property owners

04:00:31
Speaker 16

had done tremendous amount of land disturbance previously,

04:00:35
Speaker 16

which were pretty significant and any probably cleared any archaeological remains at that time.

04:00:41
Speaker 16

I think it's important because I remember listening to I think it was mister Horton

04:00:46
Speaker 16

talking about the segment out of that archaeological

04:00:50
Speaker 16

survey. And I think for context, it's important to read the sentence right after what he quoted, which is due to norm

04:00:58
Speaker 16

due to numerous generations of avid gardeners and landscapers,

04:01:02
Speaker 16

the grounds at Mimosa Hall have undergone several developments

04:01:06
Speaker 16

that have entirely

04:01:07
Speaker 16

altered what came before.

04:01:09
Speaker 16

Neil Reed and Gus Olsen substantially altered the grounds to the north and the Northwest of Mimosa Hall.

04:01:17
Speaker 16

That is straight from the archaeological

04:01:19
Speaker 16

survey

04:01:20
Speaker 1

that's one paragraph below where mister Horton was commenting. So that's how you would obviously answer the second question as well.

04:01:27
Speaker 1

Correct?

04:01:29
Speaker 1

Yes, sir. Yep. How did the city satisfy the following of the secretary interior standards for treatment of historical properties? And there's several questions there.

04:01:38
Speaker 16

So the the easiest response, and I think it might cover all of that, I think I mentioned earlier that throughout the design process, we had an independent contractor

04:01:46
Speaker 16

whose sole purpose and intent was to create and present this project to the,

04:01:52
Speaker 16

State Historic Preservation or, Association, SHPO.

04:01:55
Speaker 16

And during that process, they go through an internal evaluation at the state level. And at that time, we received communications from them that basically stated that this did this project did not trigger any of the section one zero eight requirement. I was gonna say, you you talked about one zero eight when you talked to us a couple weeks ago in detail.

04:02:14
Speaker 1

So you would just follow-up on that and make sure that it covers all these questions, standard one, standard three, standard four, and standard eight because I think there's a very specific. Understood, sir. Yes, sir. Can you address those?

04:02:27
Speaker 16

I will dig into those with our,

04:02:30
Speaker 1

missus Alexander. I didn't necessarily get all the answers to those. But to your point that really started with the secretary interior, you had a you had to comply with the state

04:02:41
Speaker 1

and, the section one zero eight, if I remember correctly. Correct. And they finally said, hey. You're good.

04:02:47
Speaker 1

We're not gonna you don't need to talk to us anymore. That's correct. Because we've seen enough of your plan and your plans and your plans. Alright. You're good to go. We'll leave you alone. And and they received a

04:02:58
Speaker 16

a similar detailed site review that we had done that we basically was presented to the historic preservation commission. Very similar information. I'm sorry. This is redundant, but, again, repetitions from other skill. Were mitigation measures taken to ensure archaeological

04:03:12
Speaker 1

resources

04:03:14
Speaker 16

were protected and reserved in place? So based on the survey from 2021, we don't anticipate any

04:03:20
Speaker 16

substantial

04:03:21
Speaker 16

archaeological

04:03:22
Speaker 16

resources to be found. However, we do have communication with the contractor, and there is a process in place that if anything is

04:03:30
Speaker 16

potentially recognized on-site, we have a process that we go through. And that's in compliance with the State Historic Preservation Office. How did we meet requirements for HPC certificate of appropriateness?

04:03:44
Speaker 2

So I'll allow

04:03:45
Speaker 16

Michelle Alexander maybe to answer that one.

04:03:51
Speaker 17

Mentioned we treated this project as we typically treat any of the projects coming through us. And for all of the city projects, we do not issue,

04:03:59
Speaker 17

certificates of appropriateness for any city project.

04:04:03
Speaker 17

Went through the HPC process,

04:04:05
Speaker 17

brought to them,

04:04:06
Speaker 17

but it was not through having a a stamp certificate.

04:04:10
Speaker 1

So Joe, the question is gonna be there. Is there a leak are we are we illegally doing so? Are we not by we're making other folks do something that we don't make ourselves do?

04:04:23
Speaker 1

Just going to answer that question because that's part of it.

04:04:30
Speaker 1

Mayor,

04:04:31
Speaker 1

may I answer that question? Please answer that, David.

04:04:34
Speaker 1

So there's a I would disagree with miss Froelich. I respect her opinion, though,

04:04:39
Speaker 1

that the plan that was presented

04:04:41
Speaker 1

is all that is needed. Under the state law, all we have to do is notify them that we're doing the project. We actually took it to them and accept the comments, which is is what's required under ours, our ordinance. So I think we met it,

04:04:56
Speaker 1

just fine.

04:04:57
Speaker 1

Thank you, David.

04:04:59
Speaker 1

Alright.

04:04:59
Speaker 1

Is there a record of HBC's visitation to the site?

04:05:07
Speaker 16

To our knowledge, no. Okay.

04:05:10
Speaker 1

How was the event space designed? Was there a charrette that was open to the public?

04:05:15
Speaker 16

So as we started to go through the site, we started to engage with our,

04:05:19
Speaker 16

our special event venues

04:05:22
Speaker 16

specialist.

04:05:23
Speaker 16

This is her expertise in that area. Really, what we were trying to work through was functionality,

04:05:28
Speaker 16

access, and what was needed to actually have a special event site be operational.

04:05:33
Speaker 16

We knew at the onset that we were shooting for an occupancy

04:05:37
Speaker 16

for an event around

04:05:39
Speaker 16

two fifty. That seems to be the industry standard that we wanna try to hit. We wanna be able to offer the venue at that size, and that's how we designed that special event lawn space that's now on the current or sorry, on the previous spot where the pool used to reside.

04:05:55
Speaker 1

Just a quick thing. I don't think it's a part of the question, so I just there's no but it came out kind of got raised a couple of times.

04:06:02
Speaker 1

Alan, I don't know if you want to raise this or Lee if you want to raise this, but I'll just go on this a little bit. So as for, hey, why are you in competition with other small businesses?

04:06:12
Speaker 1

And I'll give you a quick answer. I'm a book believer in my experience in life, exponential activity usually occurs.

04:06:18
Speaker 1

It's also part of economic development plan to help promote business and and lots of other businesses. But you guys wanna tackle this one? Because I heard that comment three or four times. Yes, mayor. I'd love to.

04:06:29
Speaker 26

Having over twenty year,

04:06:31
Speaker 26

career in special event planning, catering,

04:06:35
Speaker 26

selling of events, hosting events, doing site review events,

04:06:39
Speaker 26

the I did many, many, many,

04:06:42
Speaker 26

special events in Alabama and in North Carolina

04:06:44
Speaker 26

and and in Georgia, where there are tons of historic,

04:06:47
Speaker 26

properties

04:06:49
Speaker 26

where people wanna host a wedding,

04:06:51
Speaker 26

or a bar mitzvah or a corporate event. It's very similar, Mayor, to probably your career,

04:06:56
Speaker 26

in owning franchises and restaurants.

04:06:59
Speaker 26

You put one out, you may get some traffic. You have two or three that are in the area, and you suddenly have choices and it becomes a bigger draw. And I watched that in Raleigh, North Carolina with quite a few historic homes. And the more that came online, the more the desire was there. So it's it was almost like a a snowball effect, and I do believe that we have more business than we can shake a stick at here. The the beauty of this is that we'll have the city of Roswell promoting our, you know, we already promote our,

04:07:26
Speaker 26

machine shop, the mill,

04:07:28
Speaker 26

well, yeah, the mill,

04:07:31
Speaker 26

the river landing, and then our historic assets, which we don't really advertise,

04:07:36
Speaker 26

Bullock or Barrington per se in a big magazine or online

04:07:41
Speaker 26

because they are more museum like and park like, so we want to take care of those. We certainly want to take care of Mimosa as well. But we've created that space specifically to be an event venue. That's the primary the primary purpose for that property. And what will happen is while we, the city, are promoting

04:07:59
Speaker 26

our history of our city to come host an event there,

04:08:02
Speaker 26

the other venues nearby,

04:08:04
Speaker 26

I've been in every single one of them. I mean, I was I was competing with them and as an off premise caterer and referring them, Naylor Hall and, Primrose

04:08:15
Speaker 26

and Kimball Hall. And I mean, I've known them all for twenty five, twenty seven years.

04:08:19
Speaker 26

So it will continue to bring more people

04:08:22
Speaker 26

their awareness. If they're looking for a wedding venue or an event venue,

04:08:27
Speaker 26

they'll be more aware of the ones that are here. So and and they're all advertised together. So we'll be advertising the same place as they are, and they'll be advertising

04:08:37
Speaker 26

bonnet to

04:08:38
Speaker 26

looking for a certain or a specific look,

04:08:41
Speaker 26

or feel for a venue, you'll start to see that we have a whole variety here in the city of Roswell, one of which will be owned by the city, and it'll in turn bring revenue in. So I'm a huge believer in that, and I think every single venue,

04:08:54
Speaker 26

in in the city will benefit from that. Even if it's a restaurant, they will still benefit from that. You've got rehearsal dinners. You've got smaller events larger. One other thing I will add,

04:09:03
Speaker 26

last year, a, city council member from one of our sister cities contacted me and said, hey. My kids are getting married in '26,

04:09:11
Speaker 26

and I'm looking for something for about two hundred, two hundred and fifty people. And he was looking for a historic asset, and we couldn't fill the bill. Thank goodness he stayed in Roswell, and we'll be having that at the computer museum, but that was and I don't want not no discount. Delighted to have them, but they were looking for something much more historic and unique in the beginning. So we will have that pretty soon, and I think we'll fill it up. Most of our historic,

04:09:34
Speaker 16

homes here cannot handle that size, not in in the fashion that we're going to do. Thank you. Thanks, Lee. And just to add, ma'am, we are in constant contact with all the other special event venues and networking, and I would share that sentiment that I think everyone is excited to be able to help each other. I I one follow-up. We are cross pollinating.

04:09:55
Speaker 26

Our event team, has been hard at work, preparing.

04:09:59
Speaker 26

You may know the interior upstairs is all outfitted and done beautifully to host anybody that's going to host an event there. If you need a a wedding suite, if you need business, meeting space, and then do some entertaining on the Ground Floor or out in the, tenet ballroom area that's to come.

04:10:14
Speaker 26

All of those things were done in preparation. I people accused me of that being premature, but if you can't see it when you're looking for it, you're probably not going to be interested in it. So that was done with money that was available at the time, and and we took advantage of that. And that's been filmed, videoed, and is able to be used in a meaningful way to advertise. And for anyone listening, you can get a discount right now if you prebook before the site is ready. So we're actively

04:10:41
Speaker 26

we're actively receiving

04:10:43
Speaker 26

deposits. So,

04:10:45
Speaker 26

jump in there while you can.

04:10:47
Speaker 1

How was the event space designed,

04:10:49
Speaker 1

and was there a charrette that was open to the public? We've never done one. There would sorry.

04:10:54
Speaker 16

What are the future plans for the historic gardens? Thanks, guys. I think if that if that question is in reference to the historic gardens that sit to the north, the back of the property, those remain.

04:11:06
Speaker 1

Yes, sir.

04:11:08
Speaker 43

Outside of

04:11:10
Speaker 43

the pool

04:11:12
Speaker 43

garden, was any gardens have been

04:11:15
Speaker 43

have any been touched during this process or any been destroyed or

04:11:20
Speaker 43

No, sir. So so what I think there was, what, 15

04:11:23
Speaker 43

historical gardens?

04:11:25
Speaker 43

In Neil Reed's era, there were several

04:11:29
Speaker 43

historic gardens on-site. Gotcha. So no one that we're gonna touch is the is the pool. Correct.

04:11:40
Speaker 1

I'm sorry. I did heard a question on the floor. I will have to put it out there. Something about, are they going to be restored? So we're talking about gardens to be restored.

04:11:49
Speaker 1

We have gardens there now.

04:11:51
Speaker 1

Correct? Yes, sir. And I think the port the per the point of this question, right, was, hey, you took out some historic gardens. Right?

04:12:00
Speaker 1

Technically, no. Okay. So let's get clear on that because that's really kinda what's behind the question.

04:12:06
Speaker 28

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

04:12:10
Speaker 16

I think we're gonna look at all opportunities to make that site the best it can be.

04:12:14
Speaker 1

So the existing the garden how many did you take out gardens? No, sir. You did not? Correct.

04:12:20
Speaker 1

Is there a belief that we took out gardens?

04:12:23
Speaker 16

Depends on the context in which they're asking.

04:12:26
Speaker 16

The area in which has been redeveloped time and time again over the decades

04:12:31
Speaker 16

did used to have

04:12:33
Speaker 16

Neil Reed style gardens on-site.

04:12:36
Speaker 16

The current state in which that property sits now, we are not removing any of the gardens that are current or present on-site.

04:12:44
Speaker 1

What is the useful purpose of the trees that were removed?

04:12:49
Speaker 16

Will they be milled? That was part of the means and methods as we went through our contractor.

04:13:00
Speaker 1

Guardrails

04:13:01
Speaker 1

to protect

04:13:03
Speaker 1

projects in the future?

04:13:05
Speaker 1

Mister Knighton, would you like to turn us that one?

04:13:07
Speaker 2

Sure. As always, the city, as in this case, as it was, articulated earlier, the city followed its rules, regulations,

04:13:15
Speaker 2

and

04:13:16
Speaker 2

ordinances,

04:13:17
Speaker 2

and, the city will continue to do so. Obviously,

04:13:21
Speaker 2

every moment, every

04:13:24
Speaker 2

project is a learning experience, and we always seek to,

04:13:28
Speaker 2

rise to an even higher level in the manner in which we, execute, said projects and communicate with the public.

04:13:34
Speaker 2

But the city will continue to follows its, follow its ordinances.

04:13:39
Speaker 1

Who will put the request for an investigation?

04:13:42
Speaker 1

Example, Oxbow Road project. I don't remember an investigation on Oxbow Road project. I remember an internal

04:13:49
Speaker 1

report by the then mayor that was requested.

04:13:52
Speaker 1

Who will put the request for an independent investigation on the next meeting agenda?

04:13:57
Speaker 1

I guess

04:13:59
Speaker 1

anybody care to address that?

04:14:02
Speaker 42

I'd like to do I got a call from

04:14:06
Speaker 42

one of the,

04:14:08
Speaker 42

front row members, rather

04:14:11
Speaker 42

rather strenuous call, I would say.

04:14:14
Speaker 42

And,

04:14:15
Speaker 42

he he his four points included

04:14:19
Speaker 42

a demand, as he put it, that we

04:14:23
Speaker 42

pass a resolution

04:14:25
Speaker 42

criminalizing

04:14:26
Speaker 42

the decision making around this and

04:14:30
Speaker 42

prosecuting

04:14:32
Speaker 42

whoever was found to be responsible for that.

04:14:38
Speaker 42

I was so stunned

04:14:40
Speaker 42

by that

04:14:41
Speaker 42

insane

04:14:43
Speaker 42

question

04:14:45
Speaker 42

that that I I went I I I'm a reader. I was reading the speeches of of, Abraham Lincoln, and he quotes this poem that that I happened on that day because I know David loves my poetry. This is actually Abraham Lincoln's poetry. So Okay.

04:15:00
Speaker 42

It's not his. It's somebody he's quoting.

04:15:03
Speaker 42

Good name in man or woman, dear Lord, is the immediate jewel of their souls.

04:15:09
Speaker 42

Who steals my purse steals trash,

04:15:13
Speaker 42

is something, nothing,

04:15:15
Speaker 42

'twas mine,

04:15:16
Speaker 42

'tis his and has been slave to thousands.

04:15:19
Speaker 42

But he that filches

04:15:21
Speaker 42

from me my good name,

04:15:24
Speaker 42

robs me of that which enriches him not

04:15:28
Speaker 42

and makes me poor indeed.

04:15:33
Speaker 42

And this, allegations against the staff

04:15:36
Speaker 42

are despicable.

04:15:38
Speaker 42

He specifically said, and I asked him, I said, are you asserting

04:15:44
Speaker 42

that someone knowingly

04:15:46
Speaker 42

violated

04:15:47
Speaker 42

the law

04:15:48
Speaker 42

and you think they should be tried for this? This is not a question of what their opinions were or what process they went through. This is scalp getting and it's despicable.

04:15:59
Speaker 42

And I I just I was just struck by that. And so I shall not be putting forward such an such a ridiculous

04:16:06
Speaker 42

independent investigation resolution.

04:16:08
Speaker 43

I second.

04:16:10
Speaker 26

I third, I will not either.

04:16:14
Speaker 1

These three are good. How about you three? You guys putting forward, putting putting together? We're all fine. Yeah. We're good. Okay.

04:16:21
Speaker 1

Alright. Thank you.

04:16:24
Speaker 1

What were the actually, exactly.

04:16:26
Speaker 1

What were the council votes on the Mimosa Hall project? Unanimous.

04:16:32
Speaker 1

I believe it was unanimous, but I for the record,

04:16:37
Speaker 1

sergeant at arms They were unanimous. They were unanimous. Yeah. Alright.

04:16:43
Speaker 1

Yes, ma'am.

04:16:45
Speaker 44

Yeah. Council voted on this in the same way that HPC voted on it. Whether or not it was clear for all of us on the diocese to exactly

04:16:52
Speaker 44

how many trees were going to be impacted,

04:16:55
Speaker 44

I personally cannot vouch and say that that was something that I was extremely clear on.

04:16:59
Speaker 44

Moving forward, though, I would say that this has been a learning experience for all of us. I would say both those who sit on the diocese and those who are on staff. As to the type of information, it needs to be very clear from the get go. I also realized too when we voted on this last fall, there was not a clear count as to how many trees were going to be impacted. So, yes, we've voted on it several several

04:17:20
Speaker 44

times. These are things that come back from the engineering report. And to clarify on the last question too, as a request for an independent investigation, if it needs to happen,

04:17:29
Speaker 44

I will say as somebody who sat in on, I'm let's say six hours of meetings just last week alone on this topic. Yes, ma'am.

04:17:37
Speaker 44

And we can't have a quorum, so I can't vouch for how many hours of meetings my other elected officials also sat in on.

04:17:44
Speaker 44

Every

04:17:44
Speaker 44

single meeting

04:17:46
Speaker 44

transcript,

04:17:47
Speaker 44

recording,

04:17:49
Speaker 44

video,

04:17:50
Speaker 44

vote, document,

04:17:53
Speaker 44

rendering was poured over.

04:17:56
Speaker 44

That was how mister Malone was able to rebuild his timeline that was presented earlier this meeting. I don't know what one would try to get out of an independent investigation other than

04:18:06
Speaker 44

where the fault lies in this. I'd wouldn't point fingers at anyone and say that the fault necessarily lies with one person or anybody. It was just more so a handling of communication that needs to be improved moving forward. I say that as somebody since we're we're giving out our,

04:18:21
Speaker 44

our,

04:18:23
Speaker 44

resumes this evening or CVs. I say that as somebody with a master's in environmental management.

04:18:28
Speaker 44

I run an environmental consulting firm. I work on brownfield sites. I am

04:18:33
Speaker 44

god, I hope a year shy of a PhD in environmental planning and design.

04:18:39
Speaker 44

These are the types of questions that, honestly, I should have asked. I will own that. I should have asked that question whenever it was presented in front of council when we voted on this item. I said from the diast I wasn't thrilled about the project itself, but with the understanding that it was the only project in our repertoire at the time that was,

04:18:57
Speaker 44

with the ability to be able to use ARPA funds for. So it was use it or lose it, that I've moved the project forward. So I will 100% own my vote. Should have asked the question,

04:19:06
Speaker 44

should have asked the impact of the trees, and that's on me for not fulfilling my duty on council. But, yes, we all voted for it.

04:19:15
Speaker 1

Let me add I'll just add to that, Sarah. I think to your point, I think I said this to the meeting, so it's funny.

04:19:21
Speaker 1

A a very strong component of the people that were here tonight, we met with, a couple weeks ago because they asked to meet, and we're very concerned. So we met. And we do this routinely, by the way.

04:19:32
Speaker 1

Public comment is something that we routinely respond to, whether it's an email, a text, a phone call, a personal meeting

04:19:38
Speaker 1

here, there, wherever.

04:19:41
Speaker 1

We're in that business to do that. And, during that meeting,

04:19:46
Speaker 1

I think council member Johnson was in there with me in the meeting as well as well as, council member Hills.

04:19:52
Speaker 1

And,

04:19:54
Speaker 1

obviously, understandably very upset. And, look, nobody's happy about trees going down. Like this trees are a big deal to everybody on this dais. I think everybody in this everybody cares about trees. We love trees. We are a city of trees. We

04:20:08
Speaker 1

are going to continue to invest in trees. It's important. They're important to, to our quality of life. I don't think anybody disputes that. I think everybody feels that way. We understand some people might have, you know, like, hey, I got a little more moral high ground on this, and that's okay.

04:20:24
Speaker 1

But the truth of the matter is was,

04:20:29
Speaker 1

I think, kinda like Sarah's point. Whether or not you should ask more questions or not, it's always a fair question.

04:20:35
Speaker 1

You know, I'm more of a policy guy. Let's get the, you know, get the big pieces in line, and then I'm kinda trusting, you know, the senior leadership team to execute.

04:20:45
Speaker 1

And,

04:20:45
Speaker 1

yes, in a perfect world, I do wish that it had been very clear that would have said to the council and to the senior leadership team, hey, we'll let you know there's gonna be 31 specimens going down and 20,

04:20:57
Speaker 1

junk trees. Right?

04:20:59
Speaker 1

And I would say if we learned something that maybe that clarity of communication when we knew that, that should have been communicated to everybody.

04:21:07
Speaker 1

But I'm not gonna make somebody a fall guy because if I had known that and if the council known that, it still would have gone forward.

04:21:15
Speaker 1

Right? All it would have been is illumination of information. It wouldn't have changed the outcome.

04:21:20
Speaker 1

So I don't want to pretend and posture like, well, if I'd known this, we would have done something different. That would be disingenuous.

04:21:26
Speaker 1

What we were signed on to was a comprehensive plan. And by the way, I completely agree with people who say, I don't like Founders Founders Park. We are not sold on that name. It's just the name we put it's a placeholder.

04:21:38
Speaker 1

So we're wide open to on on the public saying, hey, man. We got a better name for this. Completely agree. It's something that would get the piece going from a vision perspective. It's Jeff Leatherman's project. It's a great vision.

04:21:51
Speaker 1

We have bought into it because we think it brings great relevancy to our historical properties. And it's a plan, and it activates them, and it makes them valuable five years, ten years, and twenty years down the road. But the truth of the matter is that if you had told me 31 trees, specimen trees are going down, I would have said,

04:22:09
Speaker 1

does that meet the expectations of the plan that you've got going forward for the next year, five years, and ten years? Does it fit?

04:22:16
Speaker 1

Are you needlessly taking trees out? I don't think I need Sarah, to your point, I don't think I need to ask honestly somebody who's a professional. Are you needlessly taking trees down?

04:22:27
Speaker 1

Because they should look at me like I'm stupid

04:22:30
Speaker 1

if I ask them that question.

04:22:33
Speaker 1

Because I know they're not needlessly taking trees down.

04:22:36
Speaker 1

I I trust that. There's nobody in this city government. There's not an elected official. You know what? Damn it. I don't like some trees. You take me some trees down there, the the mimosa.

04:22:46
Speaker 1

Now get rid of trees, and I don't care what this interesting. I did hear a comment, but there's been some comments like that about the past. Maybe some people that were a little bit, let's say, arrogant about trees. This group is not. I trust the staff.

04:23:00
Speaker 1

Bottom line.

04:23:02
Speaker 1

Are they perfect? No. Show me somebody is.

04:23:06
Speaker 1

This staff is damn good. It's a high level quality organization that gets it done, and I trust them. And they're not cutting down trees to cut down tree's sake. They're thoughtful, mindful, and they're following the guidance of knowing their own professionalism,

04:23:19
Speaker 44

but of also other vendors. Yes, ma'am. Sorry. Just wanted to add one more thing. Well, first to clarify,

04:23:24
Speaker 44

council member Hall rightfully pointed out October HPC meeting, there was not a vote held by HPC. Instead, it was just presented for comment. So it's not a binding vote in that situation. However, that still does meet the expectation. City ordinance nine point one point two.

04:23:37
Speaker 44

Also,

04:23:38
Speaker 44

one more thing to add.

04:23:40
Speaker 44

I'm sorry. It's 11:30 at night. This is not my peak hour.

04:23:45
Speaker 44

Wanted to also mention as well, in terms of mayor and council's commitment to this property,

04:23:51
Speaker 44

I I will personally say that I walked the property with council member Hall and,

04:23:57
Speaker 44

council member Northland

04:23:58
Speaker 44

along with mister Haydorn and a couple of other concerned residents just to take an account for which trees were there. I will say that we on council allocated million

04:24:09
Speaker 44

dollars in order to

04:24:11
Speaker 44

accommodate changes to the driveway design when we were told that

04:24:14
Speaker 1

600.

04:24:15
Speaker 44

Six

04:24:16
Speaker 44

I was it Sorry. This isn't my pet peak time. I'm sorry. No. $600,000.

04:24:20
Speaker 44

So more than half a million dollars to

04:24:23
Speaker 44

protect the historic trees that were on that property that were pointed out by some of the concerned residents this evening. I don't say that in a way to

04:24:31
Speaker 44

say a he said, she said situation, but I I wanna make sure that it's very clear for the record and for the the whopping dozen of you that still remain in this room and whoever's still watching online,

04:24:42
Speaker 44

that it it's not necessarily the council

04:24:45
Speaker 44

or mayor,

04:24:47
Speaker 44

Wilson

04:24:47
Speaker 44

is just frequently

04:24:49
Speaker 44

ignoring the trees or we're out there with chainsaws ourselves or we're somehow

04:24:54
Speaker 44

running a wood hustle on the side. That's not the case.

04:24:57
Speaker 44

It's very much been a commitment of ours for the last several years to make sure that we've been accommodating the historicity of the site as well as the environmental impacts.

04:25:08
Speaker 1

So just wanted to flag that. Sorry. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. I don't think there are any more questions.

04:25:14
Speaker 1

Customer yes, ma'am. Will?

04:25:20
Speaker 45

Director Malone,

04:25:21
Speaker 45

just wanted to follow ups on all this after all the commentary.

04:25:26
Speaker 45

Very good discussion up here. You know, there's obviously some processes that can can get tightened up and and, you know, we're we're here to do those type things.

04:25:35
Speaker 45

But going back to option one and option two at the driveway, we've talked about this in-depth,

04:25:41
Speaker 45

several hours about this. Can you explain why Option 2 was chosen over Option 1 and how the Shippo

04:25:48
Speaker 45

commentary

04:25:49
Speaker 16

assisted in that decision? Yes. So initially, sir, when we looked at the Option 1 parking lot, it ended up,

04:25:58
Speaker 16

impeding into the viewshed more of Mimosa Hall from Bullock Avenue.

04:26:03
Speaker 16

And our independent contractor who was in communication with Shippo,

04:26:09
Speaker 16

raised just a little concern that

04:26:11
Speaker 16

that that could be concerning from, you know, historic integrity and what that impact of that new feature may do to the viewshed.

04:26:20
Speaker 16

So that was along with

04:26:23
Speaker 16

it being a more functional design was part of the design process and how we evolved and went with option two. Thank you.

04:26:31
Speaker 45

Second second question here is, can you touch on the reason that the,

04:26:36
Speaker 45

Bullock Pond

04:26:37
Speaker 45

was not expanded

04:26:39
Speaker 45

and we moved

04:26:41
Speaker 45

for,

04:26:42
Speaker 16

for this new project? Yes, sir. So when we originally started looking at expanding the volume at the Bullock Hall Pond,

04:26:48
Speaker 16

what we quickly determined was two very important critical pieces.

04:26:53
Speaker 16

A lot of that area was,

04:26:55
Speaker 16

was made of granite,

04:26:57
Speaker 16

subsurface granite. And also the

04:27:00
Speaker 16

flows that were shown in the data analytics showed that if we had a hundred year flood, we would be potentially putting the historic assets at risk because of the new volume

04:27:10
Speaker 16

and the and the amount of water in that space in that hundred year

04:27:15
Speaker 16

flood. So very quickly at the site analysis, we knew that we had to try to find another option. And the option to move that over

04:27:22
Speaker 16

then to be over on the east side of the property between Mimosa and and Holly Hill created a better area

04:27:29
Speaker 16

to collect that volume with less impact and insurance of preservation of the historic asset.

04:27:37
Speaker 45

K. Thank you very much. And, mayor Wilson, thank you for being open to the,

04:27:42
Speaker 45

discussion around the Founders Park and what we're ultimately gonna land on a name.

04:27:47
Speaker 45

Totally support that. You know, we're not sold on the Founders Park name as going forward

04:27:52
Speaker 45

and, would certainly certainly appreciate

04:27:55
Speaker 45

that discussion.

04:27:57
Speaker 1

Thanks, Willie. But, look, it's a collaborative body. It's a body that yes, ma'am. Christine, I I was hoping you'd say something.

04:28:04
Speaker 46

No. I just wanted to give a shout out to Lynn McIntyre to, remind us about,

04:28:09
Speaker 46

Chattahoochee

04:28:11
Speaker 46

Nature Center about the bridge, how they did that bridge over,

04:28:14
Speaker 46

Willio because that's certainly in our long term plan to,

04:28:19
Speaker 46

do a bridge connecting Barrington

04:28:22
Speaker 46

to to the rest of the,

04:28:24
Speaker 46

historic homes. So maybe we can

04:28:27
Speaker 46

see how they got that done. Find your money.

04:28:31
Speaker 31

Yeah.

04:28:32
Speaker 1

Very good. Christine, thank you.

04:28:35
Speaker 1

Sarah, Will, Christine, Lee,

04:28:37
Speaker 1

Ellen, David, anything else?

04:28:39
Speaker 1

Mister Knighton, anything else, sir?

04:28:41
Speaker 42

Sir? All I have is night night. Night night.

04:28:44
Speaker 1

Anything, sir?

04:28:48
Speaker 2

Just thank you mayor, council for your leadership and for the staff and the innumerable hours spent

04:28:55
Speaker 2

addressing,

04:28:56
Speaker 2

citizen inquiries, questions, and concerns,

04:28:59
Speaker 2

with the discourse tonight. Certainly hope and believe that, we're all better for it. And,

04:29:05
Speaker 2

I certainly appreciate,

04:29:07
Speaker 2

a great job that mayor and council continue to do,

04:29:10
Speaker 2

to move the city forward and, appreciate the great work of the staff. And for the residents who are still here and for those watching,

04:29:18
Speaker 2

thank you. Thank you for coming out tonight. Thank you for asking your questions, and thank you very much for engaging in your city government.

04:29:26
Speaker 1

Thank you. You did that really good, and those are even written down, Randy.

04:29:31
Speaker 1

I've got some written down comments that'll be really quick. Thank you to everyone who stayed tonight

04:29:36
Speaker 1

and took the time to speak and took the time to listen. Thank you. Thank you. Seriously.

04:29:42
Speaker 1

We obviously aren't always gonna agree,

04:29:46
Speaker 1

but we will listen.

04:29:49
Speaker 1

This council is committing to hearing from residents,

04:29:51
Speaker 1

addressing concerns, and continue to move Roswell forward with clarity

04:29:56
Speaker 1

and purpose.

04:29:57
Speaker 1

Regarding the Mimosa Hall and, forgive me, Founders Park

04:30:02
Speaker 1

project, we have listened and we have heard many of the concerns. And we will continue to improve

04:30:07
Speaker 1

how we share information

04:30:09
Speaker 1

on projects, whether major or minor. We can definitely improve on

04:30:14
Speaker 1

it. What's coming at Mimosa and Founders Park

04:30:17
Speaker 1

reflects years of planning.

04:30:19
Speaker 1

It will be a beautiful, connected, and historically

04:30:23
Speaker 1

respected space

04:30:25
Speaker 1

that serves residents today

04:30:27
Speaker 1

and for generations to come. I do truly believe that.

04:30:31
Speaker 1

Thank you again for being part of this conversation, and thank you for your continued involvement

04:30:36
Speaker 1

in making Roswell

04:30:38
Speaker 1

the number one family and community in America. God bless you. Have a good evening. Good night. Thank you. And do I need to address this formally? Oh, good. Oh, being that there are another items. Says mayor and council meeting, open mic meeting of June

04:30:52
Speaker 1

2025

04:30:54
Speaker 1

is adjourned. God bless.

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