Historic Preservation Commission Meeting
Video Transcript
Duration: 58 minutes
Speakers: 7
Here we go. Alright.
Welcome to the HPC meeting,
on June 11.
Let's see here. Today's date is
June 11.
I wanna read you a little bit about the commission, the district, and what we do here this evening. The current Roswell Historical Preservation Commission was established in 1988 with the mission to protect and preserve the historical and archaeological resources within the boundaries of the district. The commission is composed of dedicated volunteers who are appointed by mayor and city council to carry out the design review process and other tasks as outlined in section 13 of the UDC.
My name is Philip Mansell, and I am the Historic Preservation Commission chair. Chair. The HPC Commission members are vice chair Mark DiNolo,
Ron Jackson,
Lossy Lively, and Mary Nichols.
Tonight, we have with us from City of Roswell planning and zoning staff. We've got Shay Dixon.
The process will begin with staff presenting the application. This presentation will include applicable codes and guidelines and staff recommendations based on our UDC and design guidelines as well as the secretary of interior standards for rehabilitation of historic properties and our historic district master plan.
Commission members may then ask questions to the city staff regarding the application.
Next, the applicant will present the project and commission members may ask questions and or clarification in regards to the application. Commission members may then ask questions
application. Then we will take public comments, which is limited to three minutes per speaker. The applicant may have rebuttal to public comment if so desired.
The commission will have further discussion if needed, then we will call for well, we're not voting today, so we'll leave that out.
Okay. Let's get started.
So first, on tonight's agenda, we have
first thing on the agenda, I would like to amend the agenda with,
somebody wants to put out a motion for it.
We had a late discussion get added yesterday.
Yeah. Mark Donnello will make the motion to amend the agenda as stated.
Good. Oh,
Sally McKenzie is here to discuss her deck.
Mark Donnello will make the motion to amend the agenda to,
discuss,
Sally Mackenzie's
deck.
Mary Nichols, I second. All in favor?
Alright. Well, we did get the vote today.
Okay. So but the first item is one zero seven six Canton Street, Founders Hall renovation.
I will have,
staff come up or applicant.
Okay. I'll let you introduce.
Good evening, commissioner Shadixson,
city of Roswell planning and zoning staff.
So today, we have a discussion item for Founders Hall, 1076
Canton Street.
Because the application hasn't been submitted yet, staff hasn't done a staff review
or any staff reports ready for y'all just yet. But today, we have, the architects and the, the project's representatives here to speak a little bit on the project project and kinda get some ideas on how to move forward before
submitting
for their HPC application.
And, that's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, Shay.
Alright. We'll call the applicant up.
Good evening. My name is Mark Marcus Mello from Rondo Postman Architect.
I represent the architect for
this project.
This project
has been already approved by the HPC,
I think, maybe a year and a half or so ago.
And what you have on your screen
is
the original an image of the originally approved project.
This is on the where the old Founders Hall,
events facility was.
We were,
adding
I will just since
most board members, I don't think, have seen this project, I will give a brief overview of the project and then focus on
some areas that we we want to do some small changes.
So we see here,
as a a a top view
of the,
approve the project as approved.
So Canson Street is
on your right the right side of your screen,
and then
the
original building that's there is is is what is the first building there.
The deck that currently is they have a a porch in the back deck that is
just at the ends. We are going to do a a a portion on the entire back of the building with the curved stairs that you see there, and this, has already been approved.
And then,
we had the,
nine,
nine two story cottages,
six on one side,
three on the other side, and then a pool cabana
that you see just south of the where the edge of the left side of the pool is, and then a longer cottage is a single story for our ADA cottage.
These are guest cottages. And then we have a lawn for the back, and then that u shaped building at the end is the spa building.
And the spa building has a roof deck
and,
has parking underneath. And then behind the spa building that we don't see on this drawing,
we have additional parking.
The access is on the north side, that driveway that runs along the entire,
property.
Here are some images
of the pool looking towards the front the back of the front building that you see the three story purchase that,
was approved, and then
the pool looking at the,
at the pool cabana, the ADA cottage, and then the spa at the back.
We have we are going to discuss some minor changes to to to several buildings,
and I'm going to,
go through each building and then we see if we have questions and we move to the next one so that we don't get lost.
I'm going to start from back to front.
In terms of site changes,
because we have, the the operator when he revealed that, he decide
he wanted the bar not to be so close to the pool, but more close to the lawn that is between the pool and the spa.
And so the area that would be changing on the site is that area that's in black. The top plan is the approved site plan. The bottom plan is the proposed,
change. So we want to,
delete the,
the,
polka burner that is next to the third cottage going from right to left, the south side,
And then slide the ADA cottage, so would be the three the three three story cottages and then the single story cottage.
And after that, we are introducing
a,
a a a very small building that
is the size is half the size of the,
ADA cottage
and has the same look
that you have pool restrooms
in a little storage area.
That is one of the, requests of the operator that he needed a little more storage a little more storage area.
So we continue with the pattern that we had before. The pattern we had before is we have the front building
that is is, is the old historic building and then we have
the cottages that are,
they have a different look, but they are still are more traditional. And then just the back is the spa that is the,
has a more contemporary look.
And we continue with the same thing. So the new
building we are adding there is is is has the same look. And then where we are introducing the Puka burner to the left of that, then takes more of that
flavor of the spa
because it's it's beyond the the the row of cottages.
Any questions about the site plan, what we are doing?
This is Mary Nichols. I have a question. Is has the height changed on any of these buildings?
No. It has not.
The new building, which is the where we have the
pool,
restrooms,
the it's the same height as the ADA cottage.
And I have elevations of that. So when when we get there, we are going to say this. And the pool cabana has a flat roof, but it's a one story structure,
and it's even
lower.
Any other questions about the site plan? Mark Mark DiNolo here.
So
it's a bit hard to understand, obviously, from the plan view. So,
I guess you have renderings, right, that show what it would look like? Okay. And I have this is a, I think, a blow up just of that area.
So you can see the ADA cottages.
That is the the the the longer one next to the three two story cottages. And then the service building is next to that, is that,
building. And then the Pul Cabana, you see to the left of that. And I have elevation of all these buildings.
I I just want you to be able to locate when I show the elevations, to be able to locate where these buildings
are. So that's the difference. Before, the Pucabana
is
where the ADA cottage is shown in the site plan.
So we are just flipping that.
Ron.
This is Ron Jackson. Originally, we had, according to my notes here, we had six
cabanas on one side, three on the other.
No. We had,
I'm going back to the original approved drawing. Yeah. So we had six cottages on one side
and then
four cottages on the other side and the pokeball. So we had,
a total of 10 cottages, and we still have that same number of cottages. Nine two story cottages and one ADA cottage. Okay. So now what we've got is
six on one side,
three,
and an ADA cottage? Well, before we had six on one side,
three two story cottages on the south side, a pool cabana, which is one story, and then
a one story ADA cottage that's longer.
We still have the same number of cottages, the same number of ADA cottages.
We just changed the location
of the ADA cottage.
We
the ADA cottage went west, and then the pool cabana went to the left, and we split that between the pool bar
and the restrooms that before were together with the bar. We separated to create that little storage area there.
K. K.
K? That's good. Fine. Any other questions about the site plan before we move forward?
Nope? K. Good.
This is the elevation of the,
h the top is the HPC approved elevation before.
Once we start detailing this building, that,
glass above the doors is getting
really narrow, so we went to change to have just the glass going all the way.
Because you see, we have the door and then we have, like, a beam and then a little strip of glass above on the approved drawings. And once we start detailing all the structure, that is is getting really narrow. It's not making sense. So we just want to go with the glass all the way and have a taller door that goes all the way up. We are not changing the height of the header. We are just changing
that beam we had above the door.
Any questions or comments about this elevation? I have the side elevations as well that we are just moving windows.
You see the top there and the bottom? It's exactly the same elevation.
We are just moving windows
because of changes inside the floor plan.
But the size of the building is exactly the same
and,
the elevation is exactly the same.
That railing we had there, we changed to solid, and I think we did this on the previous version
because we didn't want because we are going to have cars parked there. We did not want the lights any lights to go through adjacent side when cars are maneuvering.
And then the west elevation also, the wind
the windows change just slightly the size. The size is identical,
the building.
It's just the window. We move
very small changing the, window location.
And going back to the front elevation,
it's just full height glass instead of had that little strip of glass above the door.
Any comments about the spa? The materials remain the same. Everything else remains the same.
This is the
ADA cottage
as approved.
We did a
small change that this ADA cottage had on the if you are looking at the top left elevation here, on the left side
had a a closet for,
linen
linen storage
with a door with the outside, which is the elevation that you see on the top right here.
And we decided that was not enough storage and that's why we created that
storage cottage that has
the pool restrooms.
So this became just a solid wall.
So the rear elevation, it's almost identical.
The side elevation, those doors were deleted. It's just a brick wall.
The left elevation remains identical.
And then the front elevation,
we were able to center the canopy,
with the align with this center line of the roof, which I think looks better.
And you can see that on the bottom elevation on the left side
compared to the top elevation.
The footprint of the building remains the same.
Any questions about the ADA cottage?
Comments?
Board.
That is the pool cabana.
So the pool cabana before was located between cottages, and so we had a sloped roof like the cottages have. Now that we moved the pool cabana
close to the,
spa,
We changed the language so that it looks more like the materials that we have on the spa. And I'm going to
flip back to the spa elevation so you can see
the spa we have, the stone walls, and then we have stucco. So the bar now that's close to the spa and not on this section where we have the cottages,
we use the same materials
the same materials and and in a very similar design.
So that is the difference.
Here you can see the front and side elevations of the,
bar
and the front and side elevations we had before, but they are not in the same location, and that's why, we decided to change the design.
And this is Mary Nichols. I I I must be missing something because they don't look the same at all to me. No. They don't, but it's because they are different locations. I'm going back to the site plan so we understand that.
So before
that, the the
top bar that has the sloped roof was between two cottages, and they all have sloped roofs.
The new bar is that building
if you see the spa on the left side, is the first building there
that is completely separate from the area, that corridor that we have along the pool with cottages with sloped roof. So it makes sense to have that building with the same language of the spa
and not with the same language of the cottage. Because the cottages make a symmetrical arrangement where you have a pool and a row of cottages with sloped roof, and then the angle changes
where the spa is and
cottage.
Is there a way you can do you have a cursor where you could just, like, show us? Because it's hard to read these.
Can you point things?
But I can point here, but they are not going to show you. With the with the mouse. I mean, you could just use
is is that in presentation mode? You can just move the mouse over. I don't think I can.
Can you point? It's a little hard to see where it was and where it is now. Oh, there you go. Okay. Yeah. Just sit like circle where the bar was, where the bar is.
Okay. I see. There you go.
So it's transitioning from more traditional at the front to more contemporary
in the back.
So do you have a rendering of
what it looks like before and what it will look like now other than an elevation? You know, you had renderings in the beginning of your It looks like you have Well, no. I mean, do you have a rendering of before and after of what you're showing the change will be from those views?
Here you can see
that
no. You are not seeing I'm saying a rendering rather than just elevation.
It is.
Yeah. There you go.
So
on on this view,
So if this is informational right now, are you are you coming back for official approval?
Okay. So I think it would be helpful on the next pass is I assume this is coming off your
CAD system or something in terms of the rendering. Is there a way you can spin the rendering so you could actually see what it looks like in this language here? This
But
I have a question. When you did this, were all those trees there?
Because those trees aren't there anymore.
Well,
to the left and to the right, no. But, like, we wouldn't we would have to model
the city of Roswell there. This is just
I know, but, like, these are the these are these are people are gonna be looking at the back of these and just
Well, no. But we do have a lot of,
landscaping,
and I I'm going to the,
side then. I'm jumping in. So I just Along the setbacks on both sides, we have a lot of landscaping that has been reviewed and approved by the HBC.
So I don't think the neighbors are going to see much once all this is planted.
And,
we are not changing the landscape along what was approved on on these edges. We we are probably going to change maybe the paving around the pool, the material that was selected. I don't know if it's still available. So but but not not the landscaping along the edges. That that was approved before. We are not changing that.
So the pool cabana
so, again, this is is basically the same language that we have on the,
spa.
This is the new building. This is the the pool restroom building that's adjacent to the ADA Cottage,
and it just looks like the ADA cottage. The, roof eave is the same. The,
roof material is the same. The slope is the same. The bricks are the same.
We just don't have that big glass door because,
it's a storage room and restroom. So we put,
shutters that will be closed all the time. And then on the side, we have the restroom entrance. On one side, these are the two doors you see there. And on the west side, we have an entrance to the, housekeeping
storage.
But, do you want me to go back to the ADA cartridge so you can compare both?
No? Are you good?
You? Yeah. I am. Yeah. We're good. It hadn't changed that much. No. So it's we we really want all the cottages,
although this is technically not a cottage, we do want them to very much look like the same. So when you are looking, it it really looks like two rows of cottages.
Yeah. I think it flows better Yes. Like that. Yeah.
Okay. I'm going to move to the next one.
So that is the front building.
You can see here the
nineteen seventies
photo,
that,
that,
what the building looked like.
So though the two story porch was not there, that was done in the nineties
when they made the building, an events facility in the early nineties. The second photo that I thought was from the,
seventies is actually from '88.
So until '88, the building looked like that.
And then the ninety ninth renovation, you see the two story porch,
which I think really
should never have been approved because it took
the the house that was historic and
and basically
defaced it.
So
and then on the bottom right corner, you see the facade that the HPC approved.
So we are bringing back the porch above the door only.
And, we are getting rid of the,
nailed shutters.
The wood siding will remain. The the door windows will be wood windows, historically correct.
The door will be the same. The roof shingles will be the same.
The rear of the building
so, we have since the HPC approval, we have done the
interior demolition
of the building. And
we realized that,
that the nineties addition
doesn't have any sheathing in the building. So when you do wood frame construction,
you have the studs and then you put wood sheeting like OSB boards,
and then you put,
a weather barrier,
and then you put your siding.
There is no sheeting. So what you see that blue thing you see there is a styrofoam.
So there is no structural bracing.
This this is unsafe.
So we have to take all the siding off,
take this off, and basically rebuild this.
So we want to
cut this down and rebuild. The footprint's going to remain the same,
but,
have the proper structure with the sheathing material.
So you wanna take the whole thing down?
Because once you you take this, there is no bracing. Like, this
this is going to be like, it's not stable.
And this
Well, it's deteriorating anyway. I mean, it's completely. Yeah. But it's it's really it's it's really scary. What's holding this building is is is like fiber cement siding.
There is no they only have plywood in the corners, and you can see
let me
show here.
Run.
So
let me see if I get this straight. You're gonna take that whole building down.
The rear roof is transferred to
I have an image that will,
explain that better.
Probably needs to go to the first
so the the large building that's in the back
there right? And I can show here.
It's very hard to get,
room to put the
HVAC equipment for the entire building
in that added space
with the room we have. We are doing all sorts of gymnastics, and this is is not really working.
So we would be
raising
This is Philip Mann. So what would the what would the height be? So here you can see,
before what it was,
the ridge would be three foot high three foot higher than what it is now, which I think is, like, 26
feet from the street level.
And here in these, images,
you can see to the one of these images is the roof is raised, the other is not. And it's very hard to tell which one is raised.
Like the top one,
the raised roof is the right image.
The the current situation is on the left side, but when you look, you can almost not tell.
When you look at the bottom image, which image would the roof is raised? It's hard to tell.
Right? It's the left one.
But when you look, because you don't see the building from really far away,
it's almost impossible to tell.
Here is another picture. You can see well, which
which which one has the raised roof? It's it's difficult to tell. When you look at the bottom image, you can almost not tell. Well, the one on the left is the one that we raised the roof three feet.
But when you look from the street, this makes almost no difference.
So we think the impact would be would be negligible.
I would agree.
Thank you. I'm not hang on a second. I'm not finished,
from a few minutes ago. So this front
that we've seen for a number of years
is gonna remain as it is.
And I by that, I mean, raised in terms of r a z e d. It's not gonna be torn down. The front roof is going to remain exactly where it is. It's just the roof that's perpendicular
to that that's connects between the front building
and the big rear
part is going the ridge is going to be the same height as the front building now. Okay. I'm not worried about the height. I'm worried about is the big room in the back
gonna be torn down? It's gonna be rebuilt. The building in the back is gonna be rebuilt? It will be rebuilt. Yes. Because you demonstrated pretty accurately that it's not it's standing up by habit Yes. At this point. Yes. Okay. So the front will remain
Well, I'm going to talk about the front building now. Okay. So
all we're talking about is the big building in the back and the front building. All this new stuff in the back
won't have to be rebuilt because it's gonna be built to start with. Yes. And I'm I'm going to talk about the problems that we have in the front building now.
So the materials will remain exactly
what they are.
Wood siding on the front building,
these were the original approved materials by the HPC. I have nothing new in this slide. This was approved by the HPC,
Fiber cement in the newer portion,
wood wood frame wood,
siding on the,
historic portion.
All the windows will be,
new windows,
wood windows with
operable shutters,
would like, everything is exactly what you see in this,
image that was approved by HPC before.
Now I'm going to talk about what we found on the front building.
We took all the drywall inside,
took the ceiling out, and there is a lot of termite
damage.
We have rotten beams.
We had some fire damage,
have rotten siding.
And then
the footings, which I think it's,
maybe I should start with the footings.
The the footings, like, you see a pile of stone
with mortar,
and this
is is sinking.
So the the structure is all sinking in some locations.
The building has no,
sheathing.
It's
wood studs nailed to the wood
frame.
Here you can see
an interior photo. The beams are giving in
because the studs are coming down. Some studs don't reach the floor because they are eaten by termites.
So you can see on the left if you see on the left photo, you can see the ridge. When it gets close to the chimney, it, like, bumps up. It's because the roof ridge is is kind of sinking.
And you can see that that,
beam on top is also
see, so we in different corners of the building, the the building starts
starts sinking. That
and that is
it's very precarious foundation.
We want what we would like to do is take all this
siding
and
and and and salvage that, salvage the front door,
and then rebuild the the,
wood frame
with proper studs
and put sheathing,
put membrane,
bring the historic,
boards back, bring the historic door back.
The windows need to be replaced because they are not historic. They are from 1990. They're identical to the one in my house built in the eighties. So we would put the new windows
and and and basically rebuild this.
Is
this structure is in really bad shape.
This is Ron again. In this photo photo number four, you see the head the windows have no header and the structure is is sitting. You see that the top window is, like,
moving down. So did we know this
when we started on this we knew No. Because when we started this, when we permit this on the HPC,
this was all covered. The demolition internal demolition had not been done. Okay. So we didn't know this thing was No. We had no idea. Again. And you and I actually went to events in there Yes. And could have been killed. So
when they did the renovation to turn this into an event space, they basically put
lipstick
on a pig.
Instead of fixing things like they should be,
they just,
yeah, just put paint, put a nice trim, and call it a day.
So the water
start coming behind the siding for years, like, who knows for how long this this water is penetrating behind the siding, and it's rotting the studs and causing all this damage. But you will walk inside, you don't see. You see that the floor is irregular.
This you see when you walk, the floor is like this.
And and that is so bad
that there is,
a
a you see in this photo, you see that it's it's hard to see, but you see that these, vertical pieces of wood, what they are doing is they put a beam behind the joists and put some wood
in the middle of this pen because the the joists were just giving in because they are
under design for the load.
So we think we need to
remove
there there is no way to add sheet into a building without taking the siding. We need to take the siding no matter what.
So once we take the siding, we have just rotten studs that I don't know what's going to happen. So we want to
take all the siding that's that's salvageable.
Some is rotten, we would replace those. What's not rotten, we would salvage the siding, moldings, front door,
and then
build the the the structure with exact same dimensions, put sheathing, and put everything back so it looks exactly the same. So you're proposing that you're going to pull all the siding from the front, the sides,
and what will what will remain there?
There is no There will be nothing I mean, so you're
We we have to basically disassemble the building and assemble it back.
That's what we have to do.
Because if we if we don't,
what's going to happen there? Yeah.
The roof is underdesigned.
The roof is underdesigned.
The the this the,
studs are in really bad shape. As I said, some don't even touch the the bottom.
When was this originally approved? I'm just curious.
Planning and zoning director. It was on an HPC in 2021.
I can get the exact date.
Yeah. But in 2021, we didn't talk about that because we did not even know about that. We went through the building. The building was finished inside. We saw that some things were sinking, but we said, well
So essentially, by the by the look of it then, you're gonna you're gonna
take the historical siding off and rebuild the building.
Foundation, you're gonna have to put in a better foundation because that's not even stable. We have to redo the foundation because
there are things that are in a pile of rock Yeah. So you're With a rock and beaming over that. So you're so you're basically
rebuilding the the whole chassis of the building if you use a car analogy, and then we're putting the skin back on. Analogy. We are taking the chassis and replacing it and then putting things back. Yeah. The only thing that we will not be putting back are the windows that I said because they are from the nineteen nineties.
But the siding all the salvageable siding would
and,
the the roof asphalt, of course, that's not historical. We would replace that. But the structure the roof structure is under design.
The studs are not 16. They are 24 inches apart
and and and in really bad shape. There's a lot of termite damage, dry rot.
And you see the base of the fireplace,
it's it's it's just giving in.
And that's why you see gaps between the wall and the and and the fireplace. So we would take all
these,
take the bricks, reassemble
exactly the same dimensions. And what we are going to do to be completely faithful, we are going to scan the building from the outside
so we have
a digital
model of the entire
building
so that
we can measure any inch on a computer screen of what was there to be able to reconstruct exactly the same.
That you see on the left image here, we have a a brick pier that's supporting, and it the the brick is cracking because the thing is sinking there.
That's on image number 13.
And,
working.
Yeah. At some point in the past on one side, there is some CMU there, but it it's still not. And and this brick and mortar there on on this pile of rocks, I mean, this thing is extremely precarious.
And you see above the window, there is no header. The studs die on the window. So the window is supporting those studs.
Like, this is
and when you look at this stud this, signing on the inside, you see out you see light.
There's all these gaps.
Like, there's zero weather protection in this building.
And there is no way to add that without removing
the siding. It it's just not possible because you cannot put this inside.
Alright. I I think that we can this is Philip Mansell. I think we can all agree that the inside needs a lot of work done,
to be
pulled apart and put back together again with your fancy scanning
digital thing. That sounds really cool, by the way.
What else you got for us?
No. That's it. So we want to restore
different building so that it will look
it will not be, like,
sinking. It will just stay there. So we are going to reconstruct that, put the historic siding back, put the historic door back,
put the new windows, and use
any wood siding that's rotten that needs to be replaced, we will wood
wood siding of the exact same dimensions.
Right. And then the fireplaces once this goes out, the fireplaces will will collapse. So we will carefully remove the fireplace, save the bricks, and assemble this back with the exact same dimensions.
Is it is it too much of a
my guess would be when you take all the siding off, you're gonna find out that most of it is rotten as well, and you're probably gonna have to realize that. A portion of it is is rotten because we can see from the inside. But I think there's some some siding there that is salvageable. We would reuse that Yes. As much as we can. So, basically, what we're gonna end up with is is pretty much a new building with with the same brick chimneys put back together. With the historic and some historic boards in the historic, front door. It's a it's a reconstruction. It's just that
patching this,
I don't know how you take the siding and keep
once you take the siding off, these things are going to come down.
It's being held by by
siding that's in not good shape.
And as I said,
the water keeps coming in
for decades and decades, and it it's it's suffering.
Well, I know that it it's this is Philip Bansal. I know that it stinks that you have to go through and pretty much gut this thing and
tear it down, put it back together. But I do appreciate
your, attention to the detail and respect for the historic district with preserving as much of the materials
that,
that she can.
Yeah. And the owner, he bought this parcel because he he lives in Roswell. He lost Roswell,
and and he wants the historic property. So, like, he's not happy to do that. Right. And it's expensive. Yes. I can imagine. But but but he wants to save the house. Yeah.
I have,
Thank you, Marcus.
I mean,
in
you really have no choice here. Yeah. I mean, in order to make that building safe,
you have
to re
reconstruct it.
I know.
When you take that siding alright. I've been walking down that street, and I've watched it deteriorate I've watched it falling apart.
How
long
what is your
time frame? I mean, is it gonna sit there
empty with the siding on the ground for five more years, or
what is the plan? For for
we we resubmit for HPC,
which we are going to do
in June for the
August
meeting. Okay. So once this is approved in the August meeting,
we submit for permit.
The cottages that you're not changing, we are submitting for permits before that, and we have a and that would be so construction is going to start
probably in August now. From the back. So we and it's going from back to front.
And then at some point when they get close to the front,
and and I don't know exactly
when,
then they will disassemble the front building and assemble it back.
Alright. Does anybody else have any questions for Marcus?
Alright. Well, thank you very much, Marcus.
Very good presentation.
I'm sure you're probably thirsty.
Ouch.
And so yeah. So we'll just wait for August to come back then.
Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Okay.
Do you wanna get outside comments or do
you do you ask for outside comments?
Oh. What about that?
And then do I ask for outside comments since it was a discussion?
Or do do I need to ask the public for comments
because it was a discussion? Or
That's up to you. I mean
Does anybody in the audience like to come up and talk about this?
Okay.
Yeah. Are all of you inside.
House is all down just because they better get going. Otherwise, it's raining cold and then the problem is solved.
So all of you all of y'all are on the design on the team?
Well, congratulations and good luck.
Thank you.
Mhmm.
Okay. We are moving on to our
added,
discussion,
and I will call Sally McKenzie up to the front.
That's supposed to be the lectern.
No.
I was hitting left and I was pressing the wrong one. Really happy to see him doing what
There we go.
Thank you.
Hi. Thank you. Sally McKenzie at 47 Goulding Place. Thank you very much for,
adding me in last minute.
And I'm not honestly, I'm not sure whether
I do need to be speaking with y'all, but I'm glad that Shay is here. And you all are here because hopefully, I can get my questions and concerns answered and and move forward.
This is the deck that we we are redoing,
and adding a,
cover covering it.
This is just the renderings that I have, but,
when it the the it's been approved,
through you all and and everybody.
But I wanted to address two things that were requested that I that I'm
I'm hoping that I that I don't that I can do differently.
All of the
all of the the posts and beams, and I don't know the technology,
are gonna be wrapped and and the same color as our house, which is called classic gray. It's just an off white kind of thing.
But what I am hoping to do, and I I don't know I wanna make sure it's okay.
These beams inside of those,
I would like for those to be
stained
stained a wood color.
And,
I just wanna make sure that's okay.
And that's I've got two cross there are two cross beams
underneath the deck. I think they're called cross ties. Underneath the roof that are, you know, necessary for support. So those, they will all kind of
make sure that that was okay. I didn't
I know we said all trim would be the same color as the house, so I just,
but these are beams. So I just wanna make sure it's okay to have those wood stained.
That's my number one. Yeah. Yes. Sure. Go ahead.
Sorry, Romy.
One's working there, but,
Shay Dixon, planning and zoning staff. So the main thing would be
because it's a session item.
If y'all would wanna see this come back as an HBC major and that's the consensus, you can.
But because this was a poor condition for an HBC major previously,
it is y'all's consensus that this can go through administrative
That's kinda what I was
hoping for. And then if that's y'all's consensus, then it can't go.
Okay.
Ron.
Miss McKenzie, will you give me the street address again? 47
Goulding Place.
Okay. In my home. Oh, go ahead. And, no, you you've answered
part a, part b. Is that
seems to me this is
a no brainer. Yeah. And it's all gonna be the same color as everything else. The trim will all be the same. It's just those wood beams. I wanna make sure it's okay to let those look like wood beams and really create a little contrast. To be honest, the back of my house
is not terribly attractive. It's big and all one color and and it needs a little contrast
will be will be make it look better.
Philip Mansell, is,
the back of your house and deck visible from the street? No. Not at all.
So
that,
that's my number one
request. The number two was,
the
the rails I'm not sure what you call them.
We had planned for or designed,
I guess, it it's wire. It's like I think it's called airplane wire. But the the railing the deck railing to have the, you know, wood
top,
but then the railing to be the horizontal airplane wires. Kind of a more contemporary look. I'm sure y'all I'm assuming y'all have seen it somewhere.
And I think the request was and I'm not sure where it came from
for us to use spindles
instead.
And again,
my house is built in 1982.
Are are there,
It's not visible from the street and yeah. Are are there any other houses around you that have,
that type of spindle or
no deck? No.
There the house to the right of me has no deck. The house to the left of me has a very old deck with probably not to code.
Yeah.
Not on my side of the street. Oh, yes.
Yes, mister Jackson.
Let me Let me see if I got this straight. You you do not want this so called airplane wire. You want spindles or styles or way around.
Okay.
On the HPC measure, was that the railing the railing supports should
match
the current?
I can also if it's y'all's consent
to back through administratively.
But currently, the condition is that it match the spindles that are currently there.
And to be clear, my deck was built in 1982.
Okay. So let me see if I got this straight. You want the spindles?
I do not want spindles. You want the airplane wire. Yes. And you really do want that airplane wire. I I just want the air yeah. It's more of a contemporary look. And it also it it's better because it doesn't block your view. That's what I truly, that's what I'm going for.
Yes. That is why I'm doing it. Certainly is contemporary.
It is contemporary. Yeah. It's a little bit of back. I like the mix. I have to say I have a more of a classic
traditional bent, but I like to throw in a little bit of contemporary to
mix things up.
And, yes, my house is built in 1982.
It has no
architectural
integrity, like, no style really whatsoever. It's an it's a hodgepodge house. It's lovely.
But,
this will not be seen from the street.
And,
yeah, I think it'll make I think it'll enhance the the back look.
Mark DiNola. Just make a comment.
On some of those side streets where you
are, there is the airplane cable on the, front porches actually facing the street.
So if you take a look around, you will see that.
And, I don't know that those homes are historical homes, but it's certainly being used.
And it looks you know, I think it looks good personally. So
I will just say being a a huge fan and advocate for our historic district, having been one for some time and,
just, yes, having paid attention,
I think it's just important to note that our historic district is not our our historic district is not tied to any one period of time. We have evolved
organically
over time in a in what I consider to be a good way until the UDC.
That's another story.
So
to pigeonhole us and to look to to to keep us one way, that's a mistake. What we have to be doing, what I believe the HPC should be doing, is looking at the big picture. How what what benefits our historic district as a whole? And that's mass, scale, height, street context,
and,
character.
So, anyway
so if yes. If it could be an administrative approval, that would be fabulous.
Does anybody have any other questions?
Are we
all in agreeance that we can let staff administratively
approve this
and let Sally
go on with her with her deck building.
Alright. All in favor?
Or do we do the motion for this or
well, let's vote anyways. We got a quorum. All in favor?
Alright. Passes unanimously.
Thank you so much. Thank you, Sally. Have a good night. Thank you.
Okay.
Moving down to item number three on the agenda, the minutes
from May 14.
In attendance,
we had
myself,
Lossy, Gratas, and Mary.
Ron and Mark and Michael were absent.
So you guys can't vote.
Actually, I'm just kidding. It's fine.
Alright. So the meeting adjourned at 06:58.
Do I have a motion to
approve the minutes?
And the Uh-uh. Lassie Lively, a motion to approve the minutes. Do I have a second?
I'll second.
Mary Nichols, I'll second.
Alright. All in favor?
Alright.
Well, this concludes
at 07:01,
the June 11
HPC meeting for the city of Roswell.